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[line_genrou]

Where the Cat and the Wolf play (name right?) was excellent. Just curious...

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What did everyone do with that quest? Kill the witcher, or let him go? I let him go.

Also, just finished the Battle of Kaer Morhen for the second time, I forgot how gut punching and amazing that quest is. Too many feels in my feels.

 

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I let him go but I really liked how the quest had this sense of no matter what decision, it's not completely right

You can see that witcher is not a crazy cruel man. The villagers tried to kill him so he lost it but couldn't kill the little girl.

 

I like how after letting him go Geralt just sits down and think about what he just did. As if he's thinking "did I do the right thing?"

[KBomb]

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I let him go but I really liked how the quest had this sense of no matter what decision, it's not completely right
You can see that witcher is not a crazy cruel man. The villagers tried to kill him so he lost it but couldn't kill the little girl.

I like how after letting him go Geralt just sits down and think about what he just did. As if he's thinking "did I do the right thing?"

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Yeah, I was torn by the decision. I like what Geralt says if you allow him live. I mean, what he did was completely wrong-- just didn't feel like I was in a place to judge him.

I can certainly understand if someone killed him, though.

[zeypher]

Thing is one thing to note which the games fail at is that witcher potions also make a witcher bloodlusted. The cat school witcher had potions active before he got forked by the mayor and his mob. Infact Geralt can comment that blood contained witcher potion in it. 

 

Problem was we as a player never feel it but im quite certain its clearly there in the books that Geralt became bloodlusted after he took a witcher potion.

[Xetykins]

I love the look on Geralt's face when he's toxicated. Looks so menacing.

[nici2412]

Where the Cat and the Wolf play (name right?) was excellent. Just curious...

Spoiler

What did everyone do with that quest? Kill the witcher, or let him go? I let him go.

Also, just finished the Battle of Kaer Morhen for the second time, I forgot how gut punching and amazing that quest is. Too many feels in my feels.

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I let him go. Not that I think he doesn't deserve a punishment or would care if the next monster kills him, but why should I do it? Geralt is not responsible for another witcher's actions and if people want to make every witcher responsible for the actions of one then it's their problem and not mine. Geralt certainly doesn't have to fight their prejudices and he is not the witcher supervision.

[hoechlbear]

I really like the new look of the mutagens, especially the monster ones. Wonder why they chose to change them, anyone know?

 

I was so happy when I saw it. Now I can finally see what kind of mutagen they are without having to highlight every single one. I think that was the reason they gave them different looks, right? Like the greater mutagens look different from the lesser, etc. The other day I crafted a greater mutagen to put it on my skill tree and I had so many mutagens in my inventory that it took me a while to find the little sucker because they all looked the same. Unless there was an easier way to distinguish them that I don't know about. lol Either way, CDPR always improving these little things. Bless them!

 

 

 

Where the Cat and the Wolf play (name right?) was excellent. Just curious...

Spoiler

What did everyone do with that quest? Kill the witcher, or let him go? I let him go.

Also, just finished the Battle of Kaer Morhen for the second time, I forgot how gut punching and amazing that quest is. Too many feels in my feels.

 

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I always let him go. I feel sorry for him.

[FKA_Servo]

Yeah...it is an interesting quest. Not my favorite. I sort of gave that family their worst possible outcome ;-)

 

I recently did something on Skellige that I really liked. "Possession" =).

 

@TommyServo

 

That was one of my favorite quests.

 

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I didn't find the Baron to be a sympathetic character, but neither did I find him the sole bearer of the abuse and chaos. He and Anna were both putrid and they deserve each other. The only victim is their daughter. Still, it's a quest that is definitely not black or white--lots of shades of gray in that one.

 

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I finished it last night. Anna died, the Baron swung. Not sure what to think precisely, but it was a good quest. I suppose there are no happy endings.

 

I have to say that I'm still not seeing the same level of villainy on Anna's part (or any, really). Actually felt a little bad for the Baron in the end, but still can't blame her or Tamara for anything. It's a damn shame that Tamara goes off and becomes a religious wack job though.

 

Was Anna's miscarriage caused by the crones, Anna herself (with help from the crones), or by the baron as we thought?

 

Also, I'm sort assuming that the crones are what Triss and Yenn look like under all their glamours. Am I far off the mark? That would be interesting.

[nici2412]

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I finished it last night. Anna died, the Baron swung. Not sure what to think precisely, but it was a good quest. I suppose there are no happy endings.

 

I have to say that I'm still not seeing the same level of villainy on Anna's part (or any, really). Actually felt a little bad for the Baron in the end, but still can't blame her or Tamara for anything. It's a damn shame that Tamara goes off and becomes a religious wack job though.

 

Was Anna's miscarriage caused by the crones, Anna herself (with help from the crones), or by the baron as we thought?

 

Also, I'm sort assuming that the crones are what Triss and Yenn look like under all their glamours. Am I far off the mark? That would be interesting.

To your first question:Anna asked the crones and they fulfiilled her wish

To your second question: Don't think that's the case. The crones are not human. maybe they were at some point, but that was centuries ago (it's said they are ancient)

[correctamundo]

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I finished it last night. Anna died, the Baron swung. Not sure what to think precisely, but it was a good quest. I suppose there are no happy endings.

 

I have to say that I'm still not seeing the same level of villainy on Anna's part (or any, really). Actually felt a little bad for the Baron in the end, but still can't blame her or Tamara for anything. It's a damn shame that Tamara goes off and becomes a religious wack job though.

 

Was Anna's miscarriage caused by the crones, Anna herself (with help from the crones), or by the baron as we thought?

 

Also, I'm sort assuming that the crones are what Triss and Yenn look like under all their glamours. Am I far off the mark? That would be interesting.

 

Yes I feel for Tamara but the baron, he made his bed a long time ago.

[Wolven_Soul]

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I finished it last night. Anna died, the Baron swung. Not sure what to think precisely, but it was a good quest. I suppose there are no happy endings.

 

I have to say that I'm still not seeing the same level of villainy on Anna's part (or any, really). Actually felt a little bad for the Baron in the end, but still can't blame her or Tamara for anything. It's a damn shame that Tamara goes off and becomes a religious wack job though.

 

Was Anna's miscarriage caused by the crones, Anna herself (with help from the crones), or by the baron as we thought?

 

Also, I'm sort assuming that the crones are what Triss and Yenn look like under all their glamours. Am I far off the mark? That would be interesting.

 

The Baron is a colossal ******, it's true, but Anna was by no means exactly innocent in all that.  The Baron spoke of how no one knew what buttons to push with him like she did, and she jabbed at those buttons all the time.  Granted she was in a miserable marriage, it's true, and she likely had a lot of reason to push those buttons.  It was just a bad marriage all around.  Fantastic freaking quest though.

[Lawrence0294]

Yes I feel for Tamara but the baron, he made his bed a long time ago.

Maybe, but I do think he was seeking true redemption.

 

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I don't think he deserves the fate he receives if Anna dies. To me, his suicide showed just how much he cared for her and was ready to fix their relationship.
I really hope in the case where he lives, he and Anna find some sort of happiness.

 

God I love this quest.

[FKA_Servo]

The Baron is a colossal ******, it's true, but Anna was by no means exactly innocent in all that.  The Baron spoke of how no one knew what buttons to push with him like she did, and she jabbed at those buttons all the time.  Granted she was in a miserable marriage, it's true, and she likely had a lot of reason to push those buttons.  It was just a bad marriage all around.  Fantastic freaking quest though.

 

Maybe, but I do think he was seeking true redemption.

 

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I don't think he deserves the fate he receives if Anna dies. To me, his suicide showed just how much he cared for her and was ready to fix their relationship.
I really hope in the case where he lives, he and Anna find some sort of happiness.

 

God I love this quest.

 

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I can't exactly blame her, though. She attempted to escape once, and the baron murdered the guy who rescued her. He proceeded to drink copiously and beat her for the next decade plus. Their respective crimes aren't equivalent, and the dude's actions and attitudes are unforgivable. I don't think there's any fixing it. I just wish we could have plotted a course to get them both away from him alive and well.

 

Hanging himself in the middle of the yard like that reads a little bit "grandstanding and overdramatic" to me.

[nici2412]

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I can't exactly blame her, though. She attempted to escape once, and the baron murdered the guy who rescued her. He proceeded to drink copiously and beat her for the next decade plus. Their relative crimes aren't equivalent, and the dude's actions and attitudes are unforgivable. I don't think there's any fixing it. I just wish we could have plotted a course to get them both away from him alive and well.

 

Hanging himself in the middle of the yard like that reads a little bit "grandstanding and overdramatic" to me.

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Didn't you forgot that it all started the whole mess when she cheated on him regulary while he was on the battlefield to earn money for the family?

Didn't you forget that she attacked and wanted to kill him when he beat her for the first time?

Didn't you forget that she killed her unborn child?

You seem to be extremly biased of you don't consider their actions "equivalent" and "can't blame her"

[Wolven_Soul]

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I can't exactly blame her, though. She attempted to escape once, and the baron murdered the guy who rescued her. He proceeded to drink copiously and beat her for the next decade plus. Their relative crimes aren't equivalent, and the dude's actions and attitudes are unforgivable. I don't think there's any fixing it. I just wish we could have plotted a course to get them both away from him alive and well.

 

Hanging himself in the middle of the yard like that reads a little bit "grandstanding and overdramatic" to me.

 

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Yeah, I can't argue with you there.  I just...I can't help but find the Baron likable, ya know?  When's he not getting himself completely smashed he's not so bad.  No excuse of course, and when I first heard of the abuse he put Anna through I wanted to be able to have Geralt beat him bloody.  

 

But it would be neat if there was an option to get the wife and daughter both away safely, but I don't think the crones were ever gonna allow that.

[FKA_Servo]

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Didn't you forgot that it all started the whole mess when she cheated on him regulary while he was on the battlefield to earn money for the family?

Didn't you forget that she attacked and wanted to kill him when he beat her for the first time?

Didn't you forget that she killed her unborn child?

You seem to be extremly biased of you don't consider their actions "equivalent"

 

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Well, I necessarily view these things through a modern context (and generally so does the narrative - but then I find the idea that this setting is "authentically medieval" to be about as hilarious as the suggestion that Dragon Age is authentically medieval).

 

That being said, the way you deal with infidelity is attempted reconciliation or, failing that, sadness and separation. You don't murder your rival and imprison your wife in an abusive marriage. Or if you do, you don't expect people to feel sorry for you.

 

Her reaction to being beaten bloody and having her lover killed is self-defense, and entirely understandable. Her subsequent demeanor is entirely expected. Tempered, I would even say, if she's staying there for Tamara's sake.

 

I have to say I have no strong feelings about her unborn child. Once again, I can't say I blame her. And yeah, none of it is really comparable to what the baron did - continually, over the course of many years.

 

Good questline, though.

 

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Yeah, I can't argue with you there.  I just...I can't help but find the Baron likable, ya know?  When's he not getting himself completely smashed he's not so bad.  No excuse of course, and when I first heard of the abuse he put Anna through I wanted to be able to have Geralt beat him bloody.  

 

But it would be neat if there was an option to get the wife and daughter both away safely, but I don't think the crones were ever gonna allow that.

 

[ spoiler][ /spoiler] (remove the spaces).

 

He was definitely likable - like I said, I cracked towards him toward the end. But compartmentalizing that likability away, there's nothing defensible about any of his actions (apart from conscripting my help in finding his family, I guess, so I can at least attempt to do the right thing by them).

 

ETA: His interaction with Ciri is obviously beyond reproach - it's hard not to root for him in those flashbacks. Makes his treatment of his family all the more disappointing.

Modifié par TommyServo, 10 août 2015 - 03:14 .

[Wolven_Soul]

ation or, failing that, sadness and separation. You don't murder your rival and imprison your wife in an abusive marriage. Or if you do, you don't expect people to feel sorry for you.

 

 

 

[ spoiler][ /spoiler] (remove the spaces).

 

Thanks.  

[Liveshiptrader]

Free DLC? You mean like all the MP DLC and the BlackEmporium for example?

 

Stop comparing the two, you can like both, like neither, or just prefer one more but still play the other. Let it go.

 

I can't believe this comment got so many likes, the multiplayer is a freemium/pay2win tagged on, it gets "free" content to nickel and dime you, earning things without paying real world money is suppose to be a monotonous process to make you spend real world money.

[FKA_Servo]

I can't believe this comment got so many likes, the multiplayer is a freemium/pay2win tagged on, it gets "free" content to nickel and dime you, earning things without paying real world money is suppose to be a monotonous process to make you spend real world money.

 

It's a legit observation. I hear some people seem to like the MP. If it's anything like the ME3 MP, then you're definitely able to progress without distasteful RMT. Sadly, I found it to be nothing like ME3 MP, in that ME3 MP was fun.

 

They could refrain from adding a MP mode to the next DA game, for sure. But I doubt that will happen.

[Luqer]

I think its about time someone made a proper recap of the Baron's story before Geralt's arrival. So often do I see people get the facts of the the questline's story off so I'll try my best to get sum it up right. Feel free to correct me:

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First, the Baron and Anna met each other as a wounded soldier and nurse respectively. After meeting a few times, they fell in love and the Baron eventually proposed.

 

Sometime during the early years of their marriage and around the time Tamara is still a baby/toddler, the Baron does not manage to stick around the household for long as constant wars force him to leave his family for quite a while. As a result of PTSD, the Baron becomes an alcoholic which only further distances himself from his family. 

 

Fed up with the Baron's alcoholism and frequent absence, Anna reconnected with her childhood friend and eventually had an affair with him for a few months. Anna decides to leave with her lover while bringing Tamara with her (lets assume Tamara might have been too young at that point to even remember these events). The Baron finds out and goes to retrieve Anna and Tamara. He finds them but is overcome by rage as he sees Anna's lover and so the Baron kills him and proceeds to feed her lover's remains to his dogs. Anna, enraged, attacks the Baron. The Baron attempts to calm her down but once Anna resorts to using a weapon, the Baron was forced to hit her (apparently, for the first time in his life)

 

The Baron does not leave Anna but neither does he allow Anna to leave. Years later, their marriage takes a turn for the worse. Anna, no longer in love with the Baron, would provoke the Baron on a constant basis by verbally attacking where he's most emotionally vulnerable (insecurities, pride, guilt, etc.) which leads to physical fights between them. Tamara grew up frequently overhearing her parents fighting. Made worse by the Baron being even abusive to his men as well which usually forces Tamara to intervene where the mere sight of her is enough to calm him down. Tamara would grow to resent her father while feeling sorry for her mother. At some point, Tamara becomes a worshipper of the Holy Church of the Eternal Flames as a form of escape and solace from the stress of putting up with her parents.

 

Eventually, the Baron and Anna have another child. The Baron hopes that the child could save his marriage. Anna however does not want the child but does not want the child dead either. She goes to the Crones hoping they could make the baby magically disappear. The Crones agree on the condition that Anna becomes their servant for a year. Anna accepts the terms but once she gets back home, the Crones take the most horrifying option and saps Anna of at least half her "life energy" which weakens Anna severely (possibly explaining her gray hair when she was described with darker hair). This causes Anna to have a miscarriage which horrifies Anna and makes her realize how terrifying the Crones are. She goes to the Peller who gives her a talisman to hide her from the Crones. As Anna attempts to leave in order to escape the Crones, the Baron while drunk, catches her attempting to leave. The Baron tries to convince her not to but Anna, scared of the Crones power, immediately attacks him which leads to a struggle. The Baron eventually gets knocked out and Anna leaves the castle with a confused Tamara.

 

As Anna lost the talisman during her struggle with the Baron, the Crones detect her and sends a Fiend to kidnap her. Tamara is unharmed. Tamara eventually meets up with Graden, a commander of a Witch Hunter unit, to help rescue Anna. Graden is surprisingly free of prejudiced thoughts and unlike his fellow Witch Hunters, actually reads books on curses and monsters which makes him sort of like TW3's equivalent of TW1's Siegfried.

 

Meanwhile, the Baron, after regaining consciousness, goes to Anna's room only to find the bloodied corpse of his unborn child. The Baron believes he caused the miscarriage because of the fight. He buries the child but was in a state of depression and shock to do so properly. He eventually has his men search for Anna and Tamara. Thus setting up the events of the Baron questline.

[FKA_Servo]

Thank you for this. I'm not surprised I got some of the details wrong (this is my first time through the game).

 

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If this is accurate, I can't say that it changes much in my estimation. He is absolved of some present guilt, but none of his past guilt. His response to Anna's affair is still unforgivable, as is his subsequent conduct. And if it's true that Tamara truly was never directly physically harmed by his abuse, her opinion of him seems trustworthy and does not work at all in his favor. If he wasn't as much of a monster as implied, or if there were any sort of equivalency between his actions and Anna's, I think she'd be a little more conflicted. As things stand, I think that most of Anna's actions are understandable, although involving herself with the crones seems like a massively awful judgement call.

 

It's a damn shame we don't get Anna's side of the story (I'm guessing we never do from what I read about the alternative outcomes).

[Liveshiptrader]

It's a legit observation. I hear some people seem to like the MP. If it's anything like the ME3 MP, then you're definitely able to progress without distasteful RMT. Sadly, I found it to be nothing like ME3 MP, in that ME3 MP was fun.

 

They could refrain from adding a MP mode to the next DA game, for sure. But I doubt that will happen.

 

It is considerably easier to balance FPS multiplayer game mechanics, the core mechanics are practically universal across the board which is  why many got more enjoyment from ME3 multiplayer.

 

You can progress but the hours mandated to do so are balanced out around the money making aspect and not actual fun which is a core element of free2play.

[Luqer]

Thank you for this. I'm not surprised I got some of the details wrong (this is my first time through the game).

 

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If this is accurate, I can't say that it changes much in my estimation. He is absolved of some present guilt, but none of his past guilt. His response to Anna's affair is still unforgivable, as is his subsequent conduct. And given Tamara truly was never directly physically harmed by his abuse, her opinion of him seems trustworthy and does not work at all in his favor. I think that most of Anna's actions are understandable, although involving herself with the crones seems like a massively awful judgement call.

 

It's a damn shame we don't get Anna's side of the story (I'm guessing we never do from what I read about the alternative outcomes).

Oh, no worries.

 

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I too am the opinion that the Baron is mostly at fault as his inability to overcome his flaws and him taking too long to work out the problems of his marriage and family as a whole continued to make life for him and his family worse. By the time he finally starts to work on his flaws (quitting alcohol) its too late as Tamara no longer wants anything to do to him and Anna may be beyond saving. I do however, think he's not a monster. His love for Anna, Tamara and even his unborn child (Dea) is genuine and humanizes him. He has a decent sense of honour, enough to show compassion to some (to be fair, Ciri and Gretka may have reminded him of his daughter which is why he was kind to them).

 

Simply put, I pity him but don't think he's completely justified in his handling of his marriage. Still, at least he's trying to be a better man so that's something.

[TheOgre]

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I think both people are monsters in that relationship.

[FKA_Servo]

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I wasn't a huge fan of Graden (I also thought Siegfried was a dork - and he died in my game anyway, so...) simply because A) I'm not a fan of the Eternal Fire, and B ) End of the day, he's a witch hunter, and I'm disinclined to like witch hunters. Most of my best friends are witches.

 

I finally hit Novigrad yesteday as well (41 hours in, Jesus), and witnessed an upsetting cutscene involving my old friend Felicia Cori. Needless to say, things don't bode well for Radovid, if I have any say in the matter.

 

(I suspect I will).

[line_genrou]

I can't believe this comment got so many likes, the multiplayer is a freemium/pay2win tagged on, it gets "free" content to nickel and dime you, earning things without paying real world money is suppose to be a monotonous process to make you spend real world money.