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[MoonDrummer]

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I wasn't a huge fan of Graden (I also thought Siegfried was a dork - and he died in my game anyway, so...) simply because A) I'm not a fan of the Eternal Fire, and B ) I'm disinclined to like witch hunters. Most of my best friends are witches.

 

I finally hit Novigrad yesteday as well (41 hours in, Jesus), and witnessed an upsetting cutscene involving my old friend Felicia Cori. Needless to say, things don't bode well for Radovid, if I have any say in the matter.

 

(I suspect I will).

I used to get upset when people let the North suffer to save their sorceress waifus from being brought to justice. I'm numb to it now. 

 

And remember that Novigrad is an independent city, Radovid is not responsible for their stance on mages. 

[FKA_Servo]

Didn't know that, no. But the blockade you have to get through is occupied the Redanian army, so I just assumed.

 

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Radovid still seems like a real dick, going on TW2. Besides, not all of our sorceress waifus are complicit in the real evil stuff.

 

I'm team sorceress waifu, same as DA.

[MoonDrummer]

Didn't know that, no. But the blockade you have to get through is occupied the Redanian army, so I just assumed.

 

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Radovid still seems like a real dick, going on TW2.

The Redanian army holds the Pontar, I'm not sure where Novigrad's land ends and Redania's begins, but the river is held by Redania for sure. 

 

Witcher 2 Radovid is my waifu. I take great offence to this.

[TheOgre]

Didn't know that, no. But the blockade you have to get through is occupied the Redanian army, so I just assumed.

 

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Radovid still seems like a real dick, going on TW2. Besides, not all of our sorceress waifus are complicit in the real evil stuff.

 

I'm team sorceress waifu, same as DA.

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I'm team sorceress waifu too! The Black Ones shall always get my support!

 

My nonhuman friends need to live too!

[MoonDrummer]

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I'm team sorceress waifu too! The Black Ones shall always get my support!

 

My nonhuman friends need to live too!

Ogre pls.

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Nilfgaardians are responsible for 100 times the amount of deaths as Radovid can hope to accomplish, I'm glad that he smashed them into tiny little pieces.

Feels good.

[FKA_Servo]

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Hell, I'm still in Phillipa's corner. I hope she tears some **** up and continues to make him look silly.

 

Although, if she does (and probably she will), I'm sure it will no doubt prove terrible for me and mine. No spoilers there, please.

[MoonDrummer]

Hell, I'm still in Phillipa's corner.

 

I can't handle this much treason...

[TheOgre]

Ogre pls.

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Nilfgaardians are responsible for 100 times the amount of deaths as Radovid can hope to accomplish, I'm glad that he smashed them into tiny little pieces.

Feels good.

You pls!

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Humans are spoiled rotten anyway. This is evidenced by the prologue quest with that guy burning down the dwarfs shop. He fixed a bunch of things for the kids mom for next to nothing. Yet he called him a dirty greedy dwarf.

 

Nilfgaard is the defender of nonhumans and sorceresses. Down with Rad!

[MoonDrummer]

You pls!

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Humans are spoiled rotten anyway. This is evidenced by the prologue quest with that guy burning down the dwarfs shop. He fixed a bunch of things for the kids mom for next to nothing. Yet he called him a dirty greedy dwarf.

 

Nilfgaard is the defender of nonhumans and sorceresses. Down with Rad!

Don't supply the foreign genocidal maniacs = don't get your shop burnt down.

 

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How many non-humans died when Nilfgaard burnt Cintra to the ground and forced the entire country's population into exile? 

How many died when they burnt Vengerberg to the ground and then sent the squirrels to slaughter the refugees as they fled into Temeria? 

How many Dwarves from the Mahakam volunteer regiment died fighting against Nilfgaard at Brenna?

 

Pfft. Only good black one is dead black one.

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[TheOgre]

Don't supply the foreign genocidal maniacs = don't get your shop burnt down.

 

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How many non-humans died when Nilfgaard burnt Cintra to the ground and forced the entire country's population into exile? 

How many died when they burnt Vengerberg to the ground and then sent the squirrels to slaughter the refugees as they fled into Temeria? 

How many Dwarves from the Mahakam volunteer regiment died fighting against Nilfgaard at Brenna?

 

Pfft. Only good black one is dead black one.

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Now you just wait a second here..!!!

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That dwarf was forced too at sword point to use his smithing for their weapons. They only supplied him materials in exchange for his 'assistance'. Now why would they offer to rebuild his shop when they get in the new supplies? A nonhuman receiving help from Nilfgaard to rebuild his shop in exchange for his servitude? It's much more than Rad the Lad would ever offer him.

 

I'll also say this..

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Remember how when in TW1 if you sided with Scoia'tel the humans who promised changes for nonhumans for the better? Remember how they instead quickly reverted those promises and instead went on to butchering and defiling more nonhumans!? Yeah, Nilfgaard isn't clean of the hand but Temeria and Redania have always had it out for nonhumans! Nilfgaard at least treats everyone nearly equally!

Praise Emhyr!

If his pure genuine heart doesn't sway you, than his devilish good looks trump that of Rad the Lad any day. Baldy is much younger than Emhyr yet it doesn't show. Hmph!

[MoonDrummer]

Now you just wait a second here..!!!

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That dwarf was forced too at sword point to use his smithing for their weapons. 

And you support these tyrants?!

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Remember how when in TW1 if you sided with Scoia'tel the humans who promised changes for nonhumans for the better? Remember how they instead quickly reverted those promises and instead went on to butchering and defiling more nonhumans!? Yeah, Nilfgaard isn't clean of the hand but Temeria and Redania have always had it out for nonhumans! Nilfgaard at least treats everyone nearly equally!

 

The squirrels are all murderers and terrorists anyway, wont shed any tears for them. They should be more like the Mahakam volunteers (ie the cool non-humans Zoltan and Yarpen)who were rewarded for their loyalty. 

 

And as for Emhyr...

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If you want the guy who murdered Ciri's grandmother and mother and then planned to marry and rape her ruling, then I don't know, no words.

[FKA_Servo]

Now you just wait a second here..!!!

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That dwarf was forced too at sword point to use his smithing for their weapons. They only supplied him materials in exchange for his 'assistance'. Now why would they offer to rebuild his shop when they get in the new supplies? A nonhuman receiving help from Nilfgaard to rebuild his shop in exchange for his servitude? It's much more than Rad the Lad would ever offer him.

 

I'll also say this..

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Remember how when in TW1 if you sided with Scoia'tel the humans who promised changes for nonhumans for the better? Remember how they instead quickly reverted those promises and instead went on to butchering and defiling more nonhumans!? Yeah, Nilfgaard isn't clean of the hand but Temeria and Redania have always had it out for nonhumans! Nilfgaard at least treats everyone nearly equally!

Praise Emhyr!

If his pure genuine heart doesn't sway you, than his devilish good looks trump that of Rad the Lad any day. Baldy is much younger than Emhyr yet it doesn't show. Hmph!

 

And if that weren't reason enough by itself...

 

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(Shown - Charles Dance as Benedict in Last Action Hero. Arguably his finest role.)

[TheOgre]

And you support these tyrants?!

The squirrels are all murderers and terrorists anyway, wont shed any tears for them. They should be more like the Mahakam volunteers (ie the cool non-humans Zoltan and Yarpen)who were rewarded for their loyalty. 

 

And as for Emhyr...

Book spoilers

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If you want the guy who murdered Ciri's grandmother and mother and then planned to marry and rape her ruling, then I don't know, no words.

You monster.. They were put into those situations to begin with by the tyrannical...

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Temerians. They locked up the nonhumans with the diseased and hungry in Vizima after robbing them blind from taxes. The humans even stole a dwarf bank, as well as Smithing tools from Dwarves before sending them into impoverished hells.

 

The Scoia'tel only really butcher the guys that deserve it anyway! That drug dealer had it coming to him in Act 1 tw1 too. Not all are even with that group yet elf necks still stretch for humanities barbarous entertainment. Nilfgaard will prevent more bloodshed than ever, once they've claimed Rad the Lad's lands.

[MoonDrummer]

You monster.. They were put into those situations to begin with by the tyrannical...

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Temerians. They locked up the nonhumans with the diseased and hungry in Vizima after robbing them blind from taxes. The humans even stole a dwarf bank, as well as Smithing tools from Dwarves before sending them into impoverished hells.

 

The Scoia'tel only really butcher the guys that deserve it anyway! That drug dealer had it coming to him in Act 1 tw1 too. Not all are even with that group yet elf necks still stretch for humanities barbarous entertainment. Nilfgaard will prevent more bloodshed than ever, once they've claimed Rad the Lad's lands.

This is getting off topic lol. But the squirrels kill any human they see outside the city walls. They deserve a good hanging.

 

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They are only in that position because their Queen, Francesca Finabair and her master, Emhyr sold them out and left them to die at the end of the second war.

[TheOgre]

Hmmm.. I'll stop but I think it's appropriate.

 

It demonstrates that we actually care about the internal conflicts which happen on the political scale of Temeria. I didn't feel as compelled in this game compared to games prior when it came to the Mage Templar conflict. In Inquisitions defense, it didn't need to be emphasized as much, 2 did this the best. Because in Kirkwall, that was the catalyst for the mage rebellion. 

 

The plot didn't really call for it in DAI. The Templars had abandoned the chantry, and the mages long before left. The only thing you could really have is more mage executions or forced rites of tranquility. It wouldn't have fit so much. Also considering Orlais was split by civil war, you wouldn't have seen a major conflict with Ferelden realistically. The only way they could have had an effective political overall battle were to be with what becomes of Orlais depending on who becomes the sole leader. Unfortunately for me, I didn't care with either. I preferred Gaspard over Celine or Briala.

 

Maybe they could have fleshed out more what the visual impact would be for each different leader? I could be mistaken on this too but I would have liked to seen who would have been affected by the decision between Gaspard and Celine. Like for example, Celine makes it easier for commoners, and slightly more tolerable for elves than say Gaspard, where Gaspard caters to wealthy families that support Orlais military with financial assistance, a bit harder on elves and commoners. I like what they did with notice boards in The Witcher 3. In each little village you get snapshots of the events that happen around them. "Nilfgaardian Lessons" "A New Order" and a few other bits of writing that help convey a sense of change. They can do this easily with Codex's in the next game too.

 

Either way hopefully they flesh out our Orlais decision with DA4. Could be interesting to say the least. 

[KBomb]

TommyServo, on 10 Aug 2015 - 12:19 PM, said:
Thank you for this. I'm not surprised I got some of the details wrong (this is my first time through the game).

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If this is accurate, I can't say that it changes much in my estimation. He is absolved of some present guilt, but none of his past guilt. His response to Anna's affair is still unforgivable, as is his subsequent conduct. And if it's true that Tamara truly was never directly physically harmed by his abuse, her opinion of him seems trustworthy and does not work at all in his favor. If he wasn't as much of a monster as implied, or if there were any sort of equivalency between his actions and Anna's, I think she'd be a little more conflicted. As things stand, I think that most of Anna's actions are understandable, although involving herself with the crones seems like a massively awful judgement call.

It's a damn shame we don't get Anna's side of the story (I'm guessing we never do from what I read about the alternative outcomes).

 

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Anna may not have used as much physical force to abuse the Baron, but she abused him all the same. She abused him mentally and emotionally and worst of all, she abused him using the alienation of Tamara. These kind of abuses are just as harmful as physical abuse.

 

Anna hides her actions from Tamara, yet allows her to witness her father's abusive actions. She allows not only the Baron to believe he is at fault for her miscarriage, but she allows Tamara to believe the same. The Baron took away the person she loved, so she took away the person he loved.

 

It was a vicious cycle between them both. She prodded him constantly with emotional and mental abuse and he would act in kind by using his fists. Her actions are in no way understandable and  they are in no way forgivable. They are both deplorable, selfish people who hated each other more than they loved their daughter.

 

Anyway, it was a fantastic quest. How do you like the game so far? Are you getting more use to the combat and signs? I have a friend who recently started playing and at first he wasn't really enjoying it, but I urged him to hang in there and now that he is used to the combat system, he is loving it. 

 

@Moondrummer

 

Your avatar is hilarious. 

[FKA_Servo]

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Anna may not have used as much physical force to abuse the Baron, but she abused him all the same. She abused him mentally and emotionally and worst of all, she abused him using the alienation of Tamara. These kind of abuses are just as harmful as physical abuse.

 

Anna hides her actions from Tamara, yet allows her to witness her father's abusive actions. She allows not only the Baron to believe he is at fault for her miscarriage, but she allows Tamara to believe the same. The Baron took away the person she loved, so she took away the person he loved.

 

It was a vicious cycle between them both. She prodded him constantly with emotional and mental abuse and he would act in kind by using his fists. Her actions are in no way understandable and  they are in no way forgivable. They are both deplorable, selfish people who hated each other more than they loved their daughter.

 

Anyway, it was a fantastic quest. How do you like the game so far? Are you getting more use to the combat and signs? I have a friend who recently started playing and at first he wasn't really enjoying it, but I urged him to hang in there and now that he is used to the combat system, he is loving it. 

 

@Moondrummer

 

Your avatar is hilarious. 

 

I love the game. I honestly never thought I wouldn't, even from the start (just looking at it in action is the whole reason I wanted to get into the series in earnest) but yes. I've gotten the hang of the combat and it's a lot of fun. The world itself is insane. I'm 40+ hours in and I'm level 12. Only just hitting Novigrad. And there are aspects of the gameplay (alchemy, strategic sword use, the bestiary) that I love to pieces. Definitely scratch an itch that isn't served by most other games, other than occasionally a heavily modded Skyrim (and even then, poorly).

 

I'm digging the story. I retract (in a defiantly unapologetic way, mind you) some of the meaner things I've said about Geralt in the past, before I played through the whole thing. He's fun to play as, and he's a nice dude. That doesn't at all temper my enthusiasm for custom protagonists in games like these, but I'm happy to find that it's not at all a chore. I'm finding I have more or less the same freedom of self-determination as I would with Hawke or Shepard, and that's enough for me in the meantime.

 

But I've also barely scratched the main storyline, as I've said. I've done Family Matters and everything wrapped together with that one, and a bunch of secondary quests/witcher contracts/treasure hunts. I'm looking forward to that picking up, and finally getting into the love triangle stuff and meeting up with Ciri, but I've had a great time just meandering and occasionally getting my ass kicked by a giant bear or earth elemental.

[KBomb]

I love the game. I honestly never thought I wouldn't, even from the start (just looking at it in action is the whole reason I wanted to get into the series in earnest) but yes. I've gotten the hang of the combat and it's a lot of fun. The world itself is insane. I'm 40+ hours in and I'm level 12. Only just hitting Novigrad. And there are aspects of the gameplay (alchemy, strategic sword use, the bestiary) that I love to pieces. Definitely scratch an itch that isn't served by most other games, other than occasionally a heavily modded Skyrim (and even then, poorly).

 

I'm digging the story. I retract (in a defiantly unapologetic way, mind you) some of the meaner things I've said about Geralt in the past, before I played through the whole thing. He's fun to play as, and he's a nice dude. That doesn't at all temper my enthusiasm for custom protagonists in games like these, but I'm happy to find that it's not at all a chore. I'm finding I have more or less the same freedom of self-determination as I would with Hawke or Shepard, and that's enough for me in the meantime.

 

But I've also barely scratched the main storyline, as I've said. I've done Family Matters and everything wrapped together with that one, and a bunch of secondary quests/witcher contracts/treasure hunts. I'm looking forward to that picking up, and finally getting into the love triangle stuff and meeting up with Ciri, but I've had a great time just meandering and occasionally getting my ass kicked by a giant bear or earth elemental.

I am glad to hear it!

 

It is a game that is like sipping wine, not chugging beer lol. I am level 30 on my second playthrough and have just finished the battle of Kaer Morhen. I still have quite a long way to go, really. This game seriously holds some hours, which I actually love. 

[FKA_Servo]

Definitely not chugging it, no. As soon as I got out of White Orchard, I turned off place of interest markers, and I walk or ride everywhere. The only fast traveling I've done was back to White Orchard a few times before I opened up the stash box in Velen.

 

Also, I have to say that beard Geralt is 110% more appealing. I think I just like beards, though.

 

More games need dynamic beard growth.

[Lawrence0294]

I am glad to hear it!

 

It is a game that is like sipping wine, not chugging beer lol. I am level 30 on my second playthrough and have just finished the battle of Kaer Morhen. I still have quite a long way to go, really. This game seriously holds some hours, which I actually love. 

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I just got to Skellige after finshing things off with Radovid and Dijkstra. I'm now supposed to find Fringila as well as a sunestone. Could you tell how close to the end am I ? I really want to have an idea as to when to expect the ending.

[Lawrence0294]

 

More games need dynamic beard growth.

It's when I heard this was included that I knew I had to play Witcher 3 

[FKA_Servo]

He looks awesome with the Squall haircut and the beard, actually. Never going back from that.

[MoonDrummer]

Muttonchops for life. I wanted my Geralt to look like a grey haired Lemmy. 

[FKA_Servo]

Muttonchops for life. I wanted my Geralt to look like a grey haired Lemmy. 

 

This is, of course, an entirely valid position.

[Lawrence0294]

He looks awesome with the Squall haircut and the beard, actually. Never going back from that.

I'm more a shaved sides with ponytail, full trimmed beard kind of guy