To be faire, Weeks didn't participate in the writing process of the DLC. Bioware Austin did. I better judgement for his work might be the following DLC.
If that's so, at least I can keep hoping. Sad DAi is continuing this boring storyless trend though.
This is fantasy. Until GRRM came along, it was a genre that was basically defined by a young adult becoming a hero and saving the world, in a battle of good vs evil.
Characters with moral ambiguity or proper depth to them were nearly non-existent.
Tolkien basically created the genre. GRRM made it an adult genre.
I consider this to be incredible unfair to the writers of literature and television shows that have deconstructed fantasy tropes and constructed worlds in a similar tone to George R. R. Martin as well as disagree heavily with the idea that "characters with moral ambiguity or proper depth to them were nearly non-existent". The same goes for the idea that the fantasy genre could not be considered a genre as much for adults as children prior to "A Song of Ice and Fire".
Geralt of Rivia comes to life as book character since 1986 while first A song of Ice and Fire book is released in 1991. I rest my case.
Geralt of Rivia comes to life as book character since 1986 while first A song of Ice and Fire book is released in 1991. I rest my case.
Well to be fair, Sapkowski's books weren't really known outside the non-english speaking Euro countries for a while. Mostly because of the Iron Curtain and also until the first Witcher game. A few years ago, only in parts of Western and most of Central/Eastern Europe was the Witcher known.
If he had the same amount of hype and fame like good old George (where his books also got translated into other languages rather quickly) and wasn't limited just to his part of the continent, I am sure he would get there. But alas.
I mean wtf, today they still struggle with translating the Witcher books into English, even the Sword of Destiny was omitted until this year (because some genius publisher decided it's not worth translating and skipped right to the saga).
It's a shame really. He also has some rather nice non-Witcher related short stories or the semi historical/fantasy Hussite trilogy about the 13th century Bohemia which I would love to share with you guys.
Anyway, kinda unrelated but for me the godfather of "Dark" fantasy is The Black Company by Glen Cook (1984).
I really wanted to organise a play date with Johnny and Sarah.
That romance story would eclipse Geralt and Yen's in a day or two.
Seems some mod kit samples leaked yesterday on nexus. They were removed but it could mean that they will release the Redkit soon or at least give us more information about it's release. I cannot wait for the modkit.
Because that's how Witcher works, realistic consequences for "real" people.
Unless you're Ciri. 
Seems some mod kit samples leaked yesterday on nexus. They were removed but it could mean that they will release the Redkit soon or at least give us more information about it's release. I cannot wait for the modkit.
!!! The stuffed unicorn came to life!!!
I wonder what adventures awaits Geralt and Yennefer
This is fantasy. Until GRRM came along, it was a genre that was basically defined by a young adult becoming a hero and saving the world, in a battle of good vs evil.
Characters with moral ambiguity or proper depth to them were nearly non-existent.
Tolkien basically created the genre. GRRM made it an adult genre.
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Another one. Shame what they did with poor Roach:(
I consider this to be incredible unfair to the writers of literature and television shows that have deconstructed fantasy tropes and constructed worlds in a similar tone to George R. R. Martin as well as disagree heavily with the idea that "characters with moral ambiguity or proper depth to them were nearly non-existent". The same goes for the idea that the fantasy genre could not be considered a genre as much for adults as children prior to "A Song of Ice and Fire".
You can consider it unfair, but GRRM's ASOAIF is what changed the genre, re-defined it and made adult fantasy somewhat mainstream and definitely influenced a whole heap of new talented writers.
Back in the day, there really weren't many writers writing adult fantasy, and they weren't always the best writers either.
The few ones that actually wrote quality books were on the sidelines and with questionable success.
Cook's "Black Company" was one, but it was somewhat lackluster in its execution and didn't achieve that much success. It did influence Erikson when he made his Malazan books, with the soldier-oriented part of the story about the Bridgeburners (and other companies, really, from Coltaine's troops to Itkovian and his soldiers).
Sapkowski's Witcher was another, but who ever heard of the Witcher outside of a few European countries before the games.
The genre (adult fantasy) needed that one great series which would re-define the genre, make it popular, attract new writers and new readers.
And it got that with GRRM's ASOAIF - much before the HBO series.
Abercrombie, Lynch, Bakker, etc.... All these new writers were influenced by GRRM, by their own admission.
And it's exactly these new writers that make the genre so appealing at the moment. Some great books, some great stories, some great philosophical question, dark humor etc.
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Oh, my mistake I seem to misinterpretated your comment then. Just to be sure; you meant in terms of world-wide success and being mainstream?
One has not read the Rift War by Raymond Feist it seems. Magician was hardly about good versus evil.This is fantasy. Until GRRM came along, it was a genre that was basically defined by a young adult becoming a hero and saving the world, in a battle of good vs evil.
Beg to differ, but Feist, Melanie Rawn, and a number of others were up to bat long before GRRM hit the scene.Characters with moral ambiguity or proper depth to them were nearly non-existent.
Tolkien basically created the genre. GRRM made it an adult genre.
Sorry to disagree but the drunk abusive husband has been done to death, and that's what he boils down to. Ymmv, of course, but I found him trite.It's hardly cliche even across multiple genres, and certainly not in a fantasy setting, dark, high or otherwise.
Cliche? No not really. Complex is actually the right word in this case.
And the vast majority of the fans seem to like the insane amount of female skin that gets flashed, so pardon me if I don't have faith in the majority opinion.Which is why a vast majority of the fans found his character and his story absolutely amazing.
(easy enough to check on reddit or witcher forums etc.)
Yes, I can. And have, and will continue to do so, because that's my opinion of his character. You differ, but that doesn't make your opinion holy writ. Nor does being the majority opinion.Now, you can not like him. Or his story. He's an abusive husband after all, very little in this world is more despicable or cowardly then beating on women - especially if you're a soldier-type, bear of a man.
You can not like him... But not because "he's cliche".
Ariella, on 14 Aug 2015 - 06:09 AM, said:Sorry to disagree but the drunk abusive husband has been done to death, and that's what he boils down to. Ymmv, of course, but I found him trite.
Again, if all you see is a drunk abusive husband and can't see any other layer to it, then fine. I think you're missing the forest because of the trees, but that's your choice. Drunk and abusive husbands have been a theme in media, but what hasn't? It isn't the subject, but how it's presented and I believe this quest is handled very differently than the normal "Mean husband, sympathetic wife".
And the vast majority of the fans seem to like the insane amount of female skin that gets flashed, so pardon me if I don't have faith in the majority opinion.
This is a bit unfair. It isn't that most W3 fans are thrilled about nudity, it may feel that way, but I suspect it's because they're constantly having to defend it. Whenever someone wishes to discredit TW3, sex and nudity is always used as a tool and it's ridiculous. And an insane amount? On average, TW3 probably has about the same amount of nudity than DAI has when it comes to romance scenes. If you are counting the brothels, even more ridiculous. Don't go into an ice cream shop and complain about the fact they sell ice cream. The only time you have to be exposed to nudity is the bathhouse, but it is a bathhouse. You can't expect they're going to be lounging around wearing swimsuits. The nudity is in appropriate places at appropriate times. I swear, it's okay to slice and dismember your way through a game, but god forbid boobies come into play. That's where the line is drawn.
I found the writing in general to be okay, but the baron was a fat drunken abusive oaf. I swear there's a trope for that somewhere. He would have been a lot more interesting if they'd been more subtle about it.As for redeeming qualities... So he was nice. Bad people can be nice, but it doesn't redeem them. He's an abusive murderer and the whole being a lord doesn't cut any ice with me. It doesn't make the fact he's got ***hole blinking in big neon letters from the moment you meet him a nuanced character.
Nothing is subtle about the Baron, nothing. It would have been completely out of character to have this huge part of of him take on a subtle role. The outrageous branching line of relationship between the three of them would not have worked as well as it did if it had been in the background. Especially how it leads into the underbelly of their relationship, which is really the core of the mission and the discovery of who the Crones really are, their ties to the Baron and Anna and how that story is threaded together and the discovery that the so-called abusive husband element isn't so clear cut after all . If you choose to have a simplistic view of things, anything can be clichéd. If we're using those standards, every mission in nearly any game could be a cliché, including every mission in DAI, especially.
I don't think "redeem" is actually the word I would use to describe the Baron's actions toward Gretka and Ciri. I think the word I would use is humanize. He is an ogre, true, but...
Is this the official RedKit? If thats so then omg omg omg!Modkit was released
http://www.nexusmods...r3/news/12550/?
Is this the official RedKit? If thats so then omg omg omg!
Though, just like DAO, I will savour the vanilla game at least 2x before pimping the hell out of it.
Yes it's official. Though they don't call it Redkit. It seems to be a bit limited and focus on textures and gameplay mechanics. We don't more yet.
They were alot quicker this time, moving at Bethesda speed now. Hopefully The Witcher 3 will get some real mods this time around, it has been very dissapointing for both TW and TW2.
Apparently, we wont be always be playing him after this. But I get your point. There's nothing more annoying than ever changing lores to fit the writer's moods. This last dlc for example hits me like mad, but that's just probably because I am such a big Warden fan and was really into the original lores of DAO. Nothing shocking than Wardens burning villages to the ground for fear of more taint spreading. Even in dao when none of your companions gets tainted is a bit jarring. But I boil it down to the fact that 2 GWs probably set preventive measures. And the wardens always fight in front.
Now, any random mooks can just shimmy down there. Specially when there's apparently waves of waves of darkspawns for the party to fight and not one getting tainted without a single Warden.
Rant over. Don't mind me I'm just sore over something something and then something irl.
OT: Yeah lores. Please stick tighter to your lores.
I thought that Legionaire advised them keep their mouths closed during a fight. That way they don't risk swallowing the Taint from blood splatter.
I'm just glad they brought them back for Inquisition. I haven't had battles that tough and intense since Origins.
But as an underground experience it initially reminded me of the Aetherium quest from the Skyrim DLC. But I had more fun sneaking around Falmer than waves of those 'Pure Dwarves'. It's inspired me to finally play my copy of Elder Scrolls Online, which is quite beautiful. I made my first character a Redguard, because I don't like the Altmeri Dominion, and I've always wanted to check out Stros M'Kai.
Deathstruck, you should get off the forum and go watch Princess Bride today.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it might be one of the most timeless, relevant films ever made. Also one of the funniest and definitely the source of a bunch of forum memes you've seen a million times in the past.
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A million times yes. I can quote that movie more than any other movie I have ever seen in my life. And I never, ever get tired of watching it. There is only one other movie I can say that of and it's 'The Breakfast Club'.
I have a feeling she's more than naive. In fact, I think she plays dumb a lot. I haven't gotten far on the books but I've read some spoilers about her that, if true, I won't see her the same way.
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But after knowing this, I just don't like how the game makes her look like this perfect girl while at the same time shows the worst side of Yen. Most of the players, not having read the books and not knowing Yen's past will obviously think of her as a manipulative b*tch that only thinks of herself and doesn't care about anyone else. But well, it's life. I think Yen is that kind of character that you either love or hate.
In other news, when does NG+ comes out? I thought it was going to be shortly after the new patch. I miss the game already and want to start a new playthrough.
Even though I'm trying to read all the books before I do. We'll see.
I really need to get around to reading those books at some point. Maybe after I am done with 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo'. Are they on Kindle?
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I just found out about this the other day, I'm definitely choosing that on my third playthrough. I always chose to let her stay in the house because I didn't want to be mean. Does she get mad at you if you make her leave?
I've been meaning to ask a question.
I've been hearing all sorts of praise for The Witcher but have yet to play any of the games. Now, I've discovered the trilogy is for sale on Steam for the sterling price of $80 (ouch). Before making an investment of such caliber, I wanted an informed opinion on whether the first two games are worth playing, whether they still hold up, and how necessary they are to understand what's going on in Wild Hunt.
Anyone care to help?
I'm a bit late, but I'll answer this anyway. Sorry for the wall of text, my dear people.
I played TW3 without having played any of the previous games or read any of the books. I only watched a 10 minute video on youtube explaining the story, which left me more confused than anything, to be honest. But I played TW3 anyway and it wasn't hard to understand the story because the game does a good job explaining the more important things. It gets a bit overwhelming at times because you meet a LOT of characters from past games and books, so you get a bit lost and won't be able to understand certain conversations.
I think TW1 isn't that important but it's a nice introduction to the witcher world. I think TW2 is more essential because you interact with a lot of characters here that come back to TW3, plus the events from TW2 are also important to what's happening in TW3. I finished my second playthrough after having played TW1 and TW2 and I enjoyed the story and the characters a lot more. I also think you should have a look at the books. Before I start my third playthrough I'm reading the books and it's great to finally fully understand things. There are a lot of references to the books throughout TW3. It's mostly shout outs or little conversations with other characters but it's so nice to finally understand what they mean. But there are some pretty important characters in TW3 that don't show up on the past games and come from the books so it's really gratifying to finally know the past of these characters and their story with Geralt. You get more attached to them and can understand more their personalities and what they've been through.
So... my advice is: if you're really itching to play TW3 (like I was) then I think you'll still enjoy it even not having played the previous games or read the books. I sure as hell did! But on the down side, you'll feel lost at times, like you missed some important stuff, so you won't feel as connected to the characters and the story (since the story is pretty damn personal and close to Geralt). So if you want to truly enjoy the experience, I'd say read the books first (they are really good and it's an easy read, they aren't huge books like Lord of the Rings. If you judge by the audiobooks on youtube, each one takes roughly 10 hours to read. But if you're a fast reader you can finish them in almost half of that time) and play the games on the correct order. It will make TW3's story a lot more enjoyable. Personally, I wish I've had done that instead of going straight into TW3. If you'll enjoy TW3 as much as I did you'll definitely want to know more about its universe and characters so you're bound to read the books and play the previous games at some point.
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