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[Wolven_Soul]

 
Regretfully, I haven't!

It doesn't seem to be that known in my country (Czechia) which is why it escaped my attention, but I keep hearing good things about it (or at least, I keep seeing all the memes floating around ).

 

I guess I could give it a try.

 

Yes, do so.  Stop whatever your doing right this instant and go watch it.  You will thank us for it later trust me.  I just...there are not enough good things I can say about that movie.  It is one of those few rare gems that gets passed down from generation to generation and it always becomes loved all over again by the new watchers.

[hoechlbear]

I really need to get around to reading those books at some point.  Maybe after I am done with 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo'.  Are they on Kindle?

 

Yep, they are on amazon. The last two books aren't translated to English yet but there are some fan translations on the internet.

[Elhanan]

I consider this to be incredible unfair to the writers of literature and television shows that have deconstructed fantasy tropes and constructed worlds in a similar tone to George R. R. Martin as well as disagree heavily with the idea that "characters with moral ambiguity or proper depth to them were nearly non-existent". The same goes for the idea that the fantasy genre could not be considered a genre as much for adults as children prior to "A Song of Ice and Fire".

Seem to recall the works of Robert E Howard may have been written sometime earlier than today; same for Edgar Rice Burroughs, though I admit not to having read those works myself.

[Wolven_Soul]

I'm all for the mechanics and cinematics of witcher 3, but please keep the awesome diverse cast of characters from dragon age. Witcher 3 is very bland and lacks variety with characters
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Your nuts.  Witcher 3 had a very wide variety of characters.  You have the Godlings Johnny and Sara.  Playful, mischivious child like creatures.  You have the sorceresses in their variety.  You have a character like the Baron who is such a terrible husband and father when he drinks, but yet has a few likable qualities such as his loyalty to his friends, and his soft spot for children.  You have Dijkstra who is such a hard ass, will tell you straight off what he thinks of you, will kill you in a heartbeat if you cross him, yet has a clear romantic side that you can see if your romancing Triss.  Not to mention his seriously strong patriotic side.

 

Of course then you have Geralt, the White Wolf himself.  Who seems at first glance a man with no emotions at all, but if you watch the guy, there are a lot of subtle hints in his voice and his expressions as to what he is feeling or thinking.  And when he lets his emotions show, they show in a strong way.  Such as his absolute rage when he beats Whoreson Jr. in a very vicious way because he laid so much as a finger on Ciri.  The playful mischivious side in other moments with Ciri, and his devestating pain when he thinks her dead at one point.  

 

A lack of variety in characters?  I think not.  I could keep going on and on and on but...I really don't feel like I have to.

[Wolven_Soul]

I really wanted to organise a play date with Johnny and Sarah.

That romance story would eclipse Geralt and Yen's in a day or two.

 

Holy crap.  Yes, yes and more yes.  Have I mentioned yes?

[Ariella]

Seem to recall the works of Robert E Howard may have been written sometime earlier than today; same for Edgar Rice Burroughs, though I admit not to having read works myself.

Howard, Fred Saberhagen's Book of Swords it's just people didn't WANT to see fantasy as anything but kids stuff even though it certainly wasn't.

If I remember Saberhagen correctly, it got pretty damn dark.

It's the same with Dark Knight trilogy and the MCU making comics "mainstream" for adults.

[Wolven_Soul]

Spoiler

You can make them meet. Just chase Sarah out of her house and you'll see them together later in the game.  

 

I am so doing that my next playthrough.  

[Wolven_Soul]

You can consider it unfair, but GRRM's ASOAIF is what changed the genre, re-defined it and made adult fantasy somewhat mainstream and definitely influenced a whole heap of new talented writers.

Back in the day, there really weren't many writers writing adult fantasy, and they weren't always the best writers either.

The few ones that actually wrote quality books were on the sidelines and with questionable success.

Cook's "Black Company" was one, but it was somewhat lackluster in its execution and didn't achieve that much success. It did influence Erikson when he made his Malazan books, with the soldier-oriented part of the story about the Bridgeburners (and other companies, really, from Coltaine's troops to Itkovian and his soldiers).

Sapkowski's Witcher was another, but who ever heard of the Witcher outside of a few European countries before the games.

 

The genre (adult fantasy) needed that one great series which would re-define the genre, make it popular, attract new writers and new readers.

And it got that with GRRM's ASOAIF - much before the HBO series.

Abercrombie, Lynch, Bakker, etc.... All these new writers were influenced by GRRM, by their own admission.

And it's exactly these new writers that make the genre so appealing at the moment. Some great books, some great stories, some great philosophical question, dark humor etc.
 

 

Ahh but the best of the new writers (in my opinion) Brandon Sanderson does it a little better.  He takes standard fantasy tropes and completely flips them over on their head.  Like in Mistborn we get a world where the 'Chosen One' failed and the Dark Lord was victorious.  So good, such a danged good writer. 

[Elhanan]

Howard, Fred Saberhagen's Book of Swords it's just people didn't WANT to see fantasy as anything but kids stuff even though it certainly wasn't.

If I remember Saberhagen correctly, it got pretty damn dark.

It's the same with Dark Knight trilogy and the MCU making comics "mainstream" for adults.

Never read those, but the Xanth series by Piers Anthony, and the Deryni series by Katherine Kurtz were faves back in the day. The latter was a terrific series that brought religious tones to the genre.

For earlier recommendations, the AD&D rulebook used to carry a list, though I am uncertain of the tone in all of them.

[Ariella]

Never read those, but the Xanth series by Piers Anthony, and the Deryni series by Katherine Kurtz were faves back in the day. The latter was a terrific series that brought religious tones to the genre.

For earlier recommendations, the AD&D rulebook used to carry a list, though I am uncertain of the tone in all of them.

I used to read Xanth long time ago, and I think I have the Deryni series around here somewhere.

Gah, now I have to find my first ed book. I'm thinking Fafnir and the Grey Mouser would be among them.

High Fantasy has a reputation for being black/white (though as I pointed out with Rawn and Feist it's not completely accurate). Low fantasy, like Conan has always been much darker.

[FKA_Servo]

High Fantasy has a reputation for being black/white (though as I pointed out with Rawn and Feist it's not completely accurate). Low fantasy, like Conan has always been much darker.

 

Ahh but the best of the new writers (in my opinion) Brandon Sanderson does it a little better.  He takes standard fantasy tropes and completely flips them over on their head.  Like in Mistborn we get a world where the 'Chosen One' failed and the Dark Lord was victorious.  So good, such a danged good writer. 

 

You want "dark" and "weird" - any of you guys read China Mieville at all? He's written mostly fantasy, one very strange mystery and one very strange, very great hard sci-fi story. He's one of the smartest dudes I've ever seen speak, and his stuff is incredibly creative - very dark and weird, and quite emphatically a rejection of the high fantasy tradition.

 

He's got a trilogy of sorts, set in the same world (called Bas-Lag) and tangentially connected with one another. The first book is called "Perdido Street Station." It's some of the finest world building I've ever encountered.

[MoonDrummer]

I really need to get around to reading those books at some point.  Maybe after I am done with 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo'.  Are they on Kindle?

You should really read them, then you'll see why Emhyr is 1000 times worse than Rad the Lad.

[c0bra951]

Yes, do so.  Stop whatever your doing right this instant and go watch it.  You will thank us for it later trust me.  I just...there are not enough good things I can say about that movie.  It is one of those few rare gems that gets passed down from generation to generation and it always becomes loved all over again by the new watchers.

 

Now I have Mark Knopfler's "Storybook Story" (end credits, and instrumental throughout) playing in my head.  "Hello.  My name is Íñigo Montoya.  You killed my father.  Prepare to die."  Memorable film.

[Ariella]

You want "dark" and "weird" - any of you guys read China Mieville at all? He's written mostly fantasy, one very strange mystery and one very strange, very great hard sci-fi story. He's one of the smartest dudes I've ever seen speak, and his stuff is incredibly creative - very dark and weird, and quite emphatically a rejection of the high fantasy tradition.
 
He's got a trilogy of sorts, set in the same world (called Bas-Lag) and tangentially connected with one another. The first book is called "Perdido Street Station." It's some of the finest world building I've ever encountered.

Haven't read Mieville but have heard a lot of good things. Right now I'm caught between Harry Dresden and Honor Harrington. Though October Daye is wedging her way in there.

Moving slightly back to Bioware, I wish they hadn't cancelled Shadow Realms. It's be interesting to see how Bioware would do with Urban Fantasy.

[Ariella]

Now I have Mark Knopfler's "Storybook Story" (end credits, and instrumental throughout) playing in my head.  "Hello.  My name is Íñigo Montoya.  You killed my father.  Prepare to die."  Memorable film.

Get "As You Wish" Cary Elwes writing about the production... It's hilarious.

[hoechlbear]

"Before the Witcher had regained the power of speech, a short, slim sorceress with long, straight, strawcoloured hair came over to him. He recognised her at once – she was the one in the horned agama skin slippers and the green tulle top, which didn’t even cover a minor detail like the small mole above her left breast."

 

I actually went to check if they included this little detail in the game (because surprisingly I didn't notice it during my two playthroughs) and I wasn't disappointed. 

 

 

I'm loving reading the books and seeing how the characters are comparing to the game and so far they are acting exactly like I would expect them to act. Well, apart from Triss maybe. But I love how the game took the books to heart, even with the little details.

[correctamundo]

Howard, Fred Saberhagen's Book of Swords it's just people didn't WANT to see fantasy as anything but kids stuff even though it certainly wasn't.

If I remember Saberhagen correctly, it got pretty damn dark.

It's the same with Dark Knight trilogy and the MCU making comics "mainstream" for adults.

 

Michael Moorcock published The dreaming city 1961. I am not sure if GRRM was born back then? Zelazny published Nine Princes in amber 1970. Hmm as I recall it wasn't kid stuff. I remember Saberhagens Empire of the east. Don't read much fantasy nowadays though =).

[panzerwzh]

"Before the Witcher had regained the power of speech, a short, slim sorceress with long, straight, strawcoloured hair came over to him. He recognised her at once – she was the one in the horned agama skin slippers and the green tulle top, which didn’t even cover a minor detail like the small mole above her left breast."
 
I actually went to check if they included this little detail in the game (because surprisingly I didn't notice it during my two playthroughs) and I wasn't disappointed. 
 

 
I'm loving reading the books and seeing how the characters are comparing to the game and so far they are acting exactly like I would expect them to act. Well, apart from Triss maybe. But I love how the game took the books to heart, even with the little details.

That's why I highly recommend player to read all books before 2nd run though. There are so many fan services there in TW3.

[MoonDrummer]

That's why I highly recommend player to read all books before 2nd run though. There are so many fan services there in TW3.

Yeah, it's great noticing all the references now that I've read the books. There are so many I find it surprising that it didn't annoy me before.

 

Spoiler

"Before the Witcher had regained the power of speech, a short, slim sorceress with long, straight, strawcoloured hair came over to him. He recognised her at once – she was the one in the horned agama skin slippers and the green tulle top, which didn’t even cover a minor detail like the small mole above her left breast."

 

I actually went to check if they included this little detail in the game (because surprisingly I didn't notice it during my two playthroughs) and I wasn't disappointed. 

 

 

 

I'm loving reading the books and seeing how the characters are comparing to the game and so far they are acting exactly like I would expect them to act. Well, apart from Triss maybe. But I love how the game took the books to heart, even with the little details.

I do wonder why they changed Triss' hair and eye colour, and also why Zolltan has a mohican.

[panzerwzh]

Yeah, it's great noticing all the references now that I've read the books. There are so many I find it surprising that it didn't annoy me before.

I do wonder why they changed Triss' hair and eye colour, and also why Zolltan has a mohican.

To make her less horrible I guess, Triss really needs that.

[Nette]

I just found out about this the other day, I'm definitely choosing that on my third playthrough. I always chose to let her stay in the house because I didn't want to be mean. Does she get mad at you if you make her leave?

A little but she gets over it.

[Lawrence0294]

Modkit was released

http://www.nexusmods...r3/news/12550/?

I guess you can add that to the list of things I wish the next Dragon Age will do.

I remember being so crushed when Bioware confirmed they wouldn't do mods for Inquisition. 

[Elhanan]

There are 500+ mods on the DAI Nexus, though I do not use any of them. While Bioware does not support the mods, they are not against them either.

[Lawrence0294]

There are 500+ mods on the DAI Nexus, though I do not use any of them. While Bioware does not support the mods, they are not against them either.

True, but again, I wish they would support it and not release patches that made modders go crazy because they would render the mods unusable.

Plus the mods out now are very limited and require you to use a programme to override files etc, though I'm still so thankful for all those amazing modders that worked so hard.

[Elhanan]

True, but again, I wish they would support it and not release patches that made modders go crazy because they would render the mods unusable.

Plus the mods out now are very limited and require you to use a programme to override files etc, though I'm still so thankful for all those amazing modders that worked so hard.

Same thing happened with Skyrim, and it was supported. Mods will still need to be altered until all the patching and DLC is complete.