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[Spectre Impersonator]

About halfway through the game and the only redeeming value of Yen's character is a shapely ass. Triss is the one with the kind heart and courage and actual manners.

[MoonDrummer]

As long as her name isn't DuDu.

Well, we never see them both at the same time do we?

[TheOgre]

About halfway through the game and the only redeeming value of Yen's character is a shapely ass. Triss is the one with the kind heart and courage and actual manners.

How dare you reduce my Yen to a piece of meat

 

YennWaifu thread defense inc..!!

[RINNZ]

Who in here poppin' sh** 'bout mah bae, Yenn?

Also, went back to The Witcher 3 (Gt 720m or not, I wanna finish this game) and I'm just getting the Feline Armor Set. It's basic, but I can't wait to get the better versions.

And that boss fight to get it....pretty weird.

[KBomb]

Well, we never see them both at the same time do we?

Lol 

 

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[FKA_Servo]

Um.

 

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So, does the game ever clear out old lady Vegelbud's body from the Carnal Sins quest? Because it would be really cool it it would.

[Wolven_Soul]

I forgot to mention this on my comment. I absolutely agree. DAI can show me as much corpses as they want, but if the atmosphere isn't right, then it's just not going to do anything for me. The first example from TW3 that comes to my mind is when you're doing the quest "missing in action" and you have to go through a battlefield filled with corpses and dead horses and you can see all around signs of destruction, that there was a battle there, there's even a little fog roaming about. The soundtrack (something that is almost nonexistent in DAI) that starts playing the moment you approach the battlefield really contributes to the atmosphere and I think it's crucial, because the right soundtrack can take powerful moments to the next level and help you make you feel the right emotions in that situation. Not to mention, Geralt comments on the sight, another thing that I think it's important. He wanders alone in the world but he is always talking to himself, commenting on things he comes across. In DAI you see all these dead bodies and read letters that tell sad stories but not a single word from your character or your companions. It's like you're picking herbs and not letters from dead bodies. So it comes to a point where you're just like, "meh, another corpse."

 

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There are times when the people in DA:I will say something after reading a note, but not very often.  The only time I can think of off the top of my head is when we find out that they use tranquil skulls for those...skull thingies that you use to find the shards.  

 

Geralt though...he comments on nearly everything.  And I fully agree, that atmosphere is integral to the experience, and TW3 nails it.  

 

And that scene...THAT...is how you do a battlefield.

[Wolven_Soul]

And it had plenty of bright golden outcomes that the witcher wouldn't have (like Conner, The Mages, The werewolves). The grimness wasn't all encompassing there was a balancing act. Hell it wasn't even that much in comparison. Even the Warden blight suffering has the PC searching for a cure and still around 10+ years later despite that their calling should've been speed up by the blight if anything. Loghain's calling still hadn't happened by DAI, The landsmeet actually gives the time of day to a non human, you arrive in time to stop your father from being sold as a CE so on. Sten would respect a female mage and call her Kadan. This is from a race who'd most likely kill her on sight otherwise.  DA2 went too far in the grim direction and DAI went too far in the bright direction (but that's mostly because Cory was incompetent. But DAO wasn't some haven of grimdarkness. It also helped that in DAO we started from a position of weakness (unless human noble in which case you quickly lost it) and had to rebuild ourselves up. in DA2 you pretty much do the same except you keep getting kicked down at the worst moments. In DAI you start off in a position of power (even at the beginning of the game the Inquisition has power) and go up from there. There's a setback at Haven but you keep your upward climb. It also helped that in DAO we were stuck playing a warden who's lives are pretty much uniformly going to be pretty grim what with the nightmares and spending their whole lives fighting abominations.

 

Also there was a civil war going on there too that was relegated again mostly to background noise (and that terrible side quest where you see the small two sides fight). But that DAO gets a pass for that because?

 

And for me they do. BW's stories are often forgettable unless they have something to do with the companions (and of course the OMG twist). Otherwise it's very generic fanfare. The only thing that made it good for me was the excellent cast of characters. DAO without it's companions for me would be horrible and not worth a replay.

 

 

I never said that the brighter outcomes were a bad thing.  DA:O does have them, and I don't mind them.  Because at the same time it is possible to have the grim, darker outcomes as well.  Because that is more real.  

 

In honesty, I prefer the brighter outcomes.  I like happy endings because real life is so danged crappy most of the time.  But I appreciate games more when they are not afraid to throw some darkness and grittiness into them. 

 

And The Witcher does have some brighter outcomes at times.  Not many, it's true, but they are there.

[Wolven_Soul]

And what I am saying is that it's not about combat diffiulty. It's about the actual threat to you. Horror games - horror movies - are about a lack of power.

 

See, Bioshock is a great example. Because I don't think it's a "dark" game, unless you talk about the lighting. I get that we'll absolutely never agree over this, but to me horror has nothing to do with how seemingly grimdark the setting is visually, because when I crush skulls as if they're made out of paper mache, there's nothing "scary" or off-putting about the whole affair.

 

DA:O isn't grim. It's just got body horror that doesn't affect me, poverty that's absolutely got nothing to do with me (apart from the origins), and death of people that (again, apart from the origins) I've rarely had a chance to connect with or engage. None of that makes be bat much of an eye.

 

 

There is so much more to horror than simply a lack of power.  Like has been said, the atmosphere is one of the most important things in any horror story, be it movie, video game, or book.

 

Besides, in most horror stories, the good guys still get the power by the end of it and kill the killer.  It's rare that we get stories that doesn't happen.  

[Wolven_Soul]

I don't think the books are that great tbh. I've been accused of being a part of the downfall of humanity and the reason for economic failure for this opinion, but I like the games better, and I only like 2/3 of the games. 

 

Now that some time has passed I can see that the Witcher 3 isn't perfect, but it's still my favourite game of the decade. 

 

If they would hurry up and release the Radovid romance dlc, then maybe it would be perfect. 

 

 

I just started reading the first book recently.  I'm only about 30% of the way through but I do admit that it's not great.  It's not terrible though either and it's keeping me interested at least.  The narrative jumps around a bit to much for my liking.  

[Yaroub]

About halfway through the game and the only redeeming value of Yen's character is a shapely ass. Triss is the one with the kind heart and courage and actual manners.

 

Yen is Geralt other half, she has a complex personality not everyone's can figure, she's more than a bottom.

 

Triss is just awkward IMO.

[Wolven_Soul]

Lol 

 

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Hah, this is literally what I wanted to put up when Triss's hair color not being red in the books, but alas, I know not how to do this sort of thing.  

[Elhanan]

There are times when the people in DA:I will say something after reading a note, but not very often.  The only time I can think of off the top of my head is when we find out that they use tranquil skulls for those...skull thingies that you use to find the shards.  
 
Geralt though...he comments on nearly everything.  And I fully agree, that atmosphere is integral to the experience, and TW3 nails it.  
 
And that scene...THAT...is how you do a battlefield.

It happens fairly often, at least in the early levels. Am replaying it now, and have been listening for verbal explanations and comments rather then reading the notes.

[panzerwzh]

Who in here poppin' sh** 'bout mah bae, Yenn?
Also, went back to The Witcher 3 (Gt 720m or not, I wanna finish this game) and I'm just getting the Feline Armor Set. It's basic, but I can't wait to get the better versions.
And that boss fight to get it....pretty weird.

There is a pretty sad and horrible story of that "thing". Don't miss it!

[panzerwzh]

Yen is Geralt other half, she has a complex personality not everyone's can figure, she's more than a bottom.
 
Triss is just awkward IMO.

Queen Yenna and her puppy Geralt will always be together, while certain crone would only stay as Yenna wanna be.

[KBomb]

Queen Yenna and her puppy Geralt will always be together, while certain crone would only stay as Yenna wanna be.

I like you, panzer, but I will fight you.

[ashwind]

Geralt should have the option to wish for a heram consisting off all the sorceresses from the genie. That should stop all ma problems.

[panzerwzh]

I like you, panzer, but I will fight you.

Bring it on KBomb! For Queen Yenna!

[TheOgre]

Geralt should have the option to wish for a heram consisting off all the sorceresses from the genie. That should stop all ma problems.

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[Ryzaki]

I never said that the brighter outcomes were a bad thing.  DA:O does have them, and I don't mind them.  Because at the same time it is possible to have the grim, darker outcomes as well.  Because that is more real.  

 

In honesty, I prefer the brighter outcomes.  I like happy endings because real life is so danged crappy most of the time.  But I appreciate games more when they are not afraid to throw some darkness and grittiness into them. 

 

And The Witcher does have some brighter outcomes at times.  Not many, it's true, but they are there.

 

Ah but that's just it it's an option it's not forced. And you can't really call optional darkness grimdark. I for one tended to kill Conner because I felt the golden outcome of that a bit stupid plus screw Isolde punching her was the highlight of that quest (would've been alot less stupid if you could've left some people behind to keep guard but as it happens it's pretty dumb.) but some of the darker outcomes are also dumb (leaving Redcliffe to it's fate just gives you an army to fight and that should've lead to a critical mission failure for being a idiot). But if that's the direction you want DA to continue in I agree dark outcomes aren't horrible it's when they're forced and the only path that I get annoyed. But I of course love choices so an option for a darker outcome is nice (of course a lot of people will complain about being able to get your cake and eat it too though gotta love that).

 

Oh it does but not as many as DAO. DAO can have people actually listening to an elf and even have an elf become Chancellor (even if not royalty you pretty much have the power of one in such a position especially with unhardened single Alistair) without riots happening and said elf being torn apart. You can become the King's mistress and again you're not torn apart and this is common knowledge. (doubly so for an elven mage. Hero or not people tend to have short memories once safe and yet nope not threatened doesn't have to go hiding because of angry mobs). I mean there's a lot about DAO that has the PC avert the darkness of the setting with their special PC shield. The one time you get a reality slap is if you try to marry Alistair/Anora as anything other than a HN. Everything else that's good mate.

[KBomb]

Bring it on KBomb! For Queen Yenna!

Oh, I'll bring it.

 

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I may be an adult woman with the body of a 14 year old, but I can bring it like this...

 

 

So, you might wanna think about it.

 

 

Ah but that's just it it's an option it's not forced. And you can't really call optional darkness grimdark. I for one tended to kill Conner because I felt the golden outcome of that a bit stupid plus screw Isolde punching her was the highlight of that quest (would've been alot less stupid if you could've left some people behind to keep guard but as it happens it's pretty dumb.) but some of the darker outcomes are also dumb (leaving Lothering to it's fate just gives you an army to fight and that should've lead to a critical mission failure for being a idiot). But if that's the direction you want DA to continue in I agree dark outcomes aren't horrible it's when they're forced and the only path that I get annoyed. But I of course love choices so an option for a darker outcome is nice (of course a lot of people will complain about being able to get your cake and eat it too though gotta love that).

 

Oh it does but not as many as DAO. DAO can have people actually listening to an elf and even have an elf become Chancellor (even if not royalty you pretty much have the power of one in such a position especially with unhardened single Alistair) without riots happening and said elf being torn apart. You can become the King's mistress and again you're not torn apart and this is common knowledge. (doubly so for an elven mage. Hero or not people tend to have short memories once safe and yet nope not threatened doesn't have to go hiding because of angry mobs). I mean there's a lot about DAO that has the PC avert the darkness of the setting with their special PC shield. The one time you get a reality slap is if you try to marry Alistair/Anora as anything other than a HN. Everything else that's good mate.

True. I am not sure how dark DAO is, but it does have a lot of surprise moments that are shocking the first time you play--like the one you mention. I couldn't believe Alistair dumped me. I didn't become his mistress. Screw that.

 

As dark as some things are in TW3, it also has a lot of good moments. I think it has a nice balance, really. I should think when your country is being torn apart and poverty, disease and crazy kings are everywhere, the setting is going to naturally be darker, but it also shows people overcoming those things, too. 

 

I didn't really see any of that in DAI. I hate to keep pounding on the "show and tell" nail, but it feels like a truth that needs to be told. They missed so many great opportunities in DAI to draw you in and make you feel part of the setting. A game shouldn't just be dark, it should be both and both should be convincing. 

[Cz-99]

I just assumed Radovid was possessed by some kind of really high-ranked demon and that's why he went all mental without Geralt realizing he was possessed.

 

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I think it would've been sweet if Radovid and Phillipa killed each other. Two birds with one sword...or arrow. Maybe both, just to make sure they're really dead.

[Ryzaki]

 

True. I am not sure how dark DAO is, but it does have a lot of surprise moments that are shocking the first time you play--like the one you mention. I couldn't believe Alistair dumped me. I didn't become his mistress. Screw that.

 

As dark as some things are in TW3, it also has a lot of good moments. I think it has a nice balance, really. I should think when your country is being torn apart and poverty, disease and crazy kings are everywhere, the setting is going to naturally be darker, but it also shows people overcoming those things, too. 

 

I didn't really see any of that in DAI. I hate to keep pounding on the "show and tell" nail, but it feels like a truth that needs to be told. They missed so many great opportunities in DAI to draw you in and make you feel part of the setting. A game shouldn't just be dark, it should be both and both should be convincing. 

 

I have no sympathy for the whole "alistair dumped me!" mindset. Alistair tells you constantly he doesn't want to be King because he sees a king as doing his duty first. Not foreseeing him dumping you to me is willful blindness. You make him king when he really doesn't want to be and then get upset that acts like a decent one? You have to persuade him into being a bit selfish in keeping you as a mistress (which my girls even my HN preferred. The freedom of a mistress vs the burden of queenship? Ha easy choice.) But the dumping? Made perfect sense if you think about Alistair as an individual. Especially unhardened Alistair. Then you're just throwing him in with the wolves.

 

I really didn't find that balanced but I accepted that level of grim was just not for me.

 

My only issue with DAI is too much was relegated to the background (mostly politicking) and Cory was too much of a fool to be seen as an actual threat after Haven. Haven was very well done moment of darkness then overcoming it. It's just the rest of Cory really fell flat with how much of a fool he was. If Cory had remained competent I think it would've helped DAI's too cheery feeling immensely.

[slimgrin]

Yen is Geralt other half, she has a complex personality not everyone's can figure, she's more than a bottom.

 

Triss is just awkward IMO.

 

Going with Yen means beta Geralt. No thank you. Triss has my back, I have hers. No unnecessary baggage. 

[Dread-Reaper]

Rayla was the only woman for Geralt (RIP) and Deamvend was the only real King (RIP).