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I find it near impossible to play DA:I after the Witcher. The thought of playing through the Hinterlands again and trying to find matching socks for the people of Ferelden is enough to stop any new playthrough right in its tracks. 

 

Everything the Witcher can do better than Inquisition, it does do better than Inquisition, basically.  :lol:

 

I'm giving DAI a 2nd go whilst i wait for Triss/Yen dialogue fix and first expansion before launching a third TW3 playthrough.

There's a massive difference in quality of content outside of main missions though comapared to TW3. Far too much filler, which i'll try and stop grinding the will to play from me this time.



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While I don't disagree with the point...the entire Witcher game series is fanfiction, really. Sapowski doesn't consider it canon. In the 'canon' Witcherverse the tale of Geralt ended when Ciri dropped him and Yenn on the Isle of Avalon and they'd presumably be there to this day, no Eredin to ruin their fun.

 

It's as good as canon for many people, I imagine. Until Disney trashed the majority of the EU for Star Wars (and ignoring the insipid "lettered" levels of canon that they previously employed), that was more or less canon too, and that stuff was occasionally as good or better than Lucas' own material (which honestly kinda seems to be the case here, as well).

 

I have to say, he seems a little grumpy about it in the interviews I've read. I'd be a little more gracious considering this game series has likely impacted his name recognition and finances in a not insignificant way.

 

Guys, please c'mon. Let's not make it *that* thread, and by *that* I mean childish waifu/book canon waifu wars.

 

The other one over at Scuttlebutt has already been derailed by the likes of Elhanan, Skadi, Ariella etc. into a full blown argument about religion and atheism that has absolutely nothing to do with Witcher *or* Dragon Age.

 

So let's keep this one at a more higher standard, eh?

 

Skadi's thread was a really dumb thread. S/he was trolling from the word go.

 

This thread's fun. Doesn't matter if the ways in which DA could benefit from TW3's example was definitively and exhaustively established 250 or so pages past. Even if you drift from the topic at hand, no reason to close it.


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So I just got to Kaer Morhen (am I hitting the end game here?) and three things:

1. Geralt's face when he was eating that apple. Loved it. (Geralt shows no emotion or facial expression? Please find the nearest big kook and suck it because that's a lie)

2. Yennefer...I love you, but RRRRRRRR. I knew I should've went to Triss. At least she can show some respect and not give me sh** every .00000000001 seconds.

3. Lambert, Lambert. What a ****** indeed. Uma MIGHT well be Ciri, my daughter

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I love Lambert, hope he is the next protagonist.  :D



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Luckily, I'm (just) past this point in TW3.  But still, spoilers in spoiler tags--pretty please!  This isn't even the DAI spoilers forum, let alone TW3's.



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So I just got to Kaer Morhen (am I hitting the end game here?) and three things:

1. Geralt's face when he was eating that apple. Loved it. (Geralt shows no emotion or facial expression? Please find the nearest big kook and suck it because that's a lie)

2. Yennefer...I love you, but RRRRRRRR. I knew I should've went to Triss. At least she can show some respect and not give me sh** every .00000000001 seconds.

3. Lambert, Lambert. What a ****** indeed. Uma MIGHT well be Ciri, my daughter

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I love Lambert, hope he is the next protagonist.  :D

 

Doesn't strike me as having protagonist credentials.

Ciri's the one that strikes me as fitting the bill if they want to do a sequel.


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Doesn't strike me as having protagonist credentials.

Ciri's the one that strikes me as fitting the bill if they want to do a sequel.

Little Miss Perfect is too boring to lead a game.

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Doesn't strike me as having protagonist credentials.

Ciri's the one that strikes me as fitting the bill if they want to do a sequel.

She can't even do signs or drink potions...

 

Might aswell play as Dijkstra. 

 

I would prefer to play as Dijkstra.

Little Miss Perfect is too boring to lead a game.

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There are too many possibilities for the ending of the TW3, if they do a sequel they're going to have to pick a canon. 



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1. Geralt's face when he was eating that apple. Loved it. (Geralt shows no emotion or facial expression? Please find the nearest big kook and suck it because that's a lie)

 

I'm noticing Geralt's facial expressions more in my third playthrough. There was a particular one when he was talking to Keira and he gave her such a lost puppy look that one second later she was like "Oh, fine!". Shame I didn't manage to screenshot it. He makes great faces when talking to crazy NPCs too. But overall he reacts a lot and it shows in his face. Anger, sadness, happiness, shock, amusement, annoyance, you name it.

Meanwhile, the Inquisitor:

 



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She can't even do signs or drink potions...

 

Might aswell play as Dijkstra. 

 

I would prefer to play as Dijkstra.

There are too many possibilities for the ending of the TW3, if they do a sequel they're going to have to pick a canon. 

 

She's still a witcher with swords,oils continuity with a rich back story and a character that's open to being a protagonist in a similar manner to Geralt. Don't see the need to shake up some of the other mechanics as a bad thing. I wouldn't have any issues If signs are replaced by source based abilities.

 

I'd figure they'd have to merge some paths as they've done across games. Not sure they'd need to go out of their way to create overt canon.



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She can't even do signs or drink potions...

 

Might aswell play as Dijkstra. 

 

I would prefer to play as Dijkstra.

 

What about a Sierra style point and click adventure game where you play as Radovid?

 

Neglecting to close a drafty window or something on the first couple of screens results in immolation via angry sorceress.


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I'm noticing Geralt's facial expressions more in my third playthrough. There was a particular one when he was talking to Keira and he gave her such a lost puppy look that one second later she was like "Oh, fine!". Shame I didn't manage to screenshot it. He makes great faces when talking to crazy NPCs too. But overall he's really reactive. Anger, sadness, happiness, shock, amusement, annoyance, you name it. Meanwhile, the Inquisitor:

 

Not to bag on you, but its not the same. Geralt is a pre-set character that gets all the special treament for the game. The Inquisitor has two genders and four races to animate for. Not saying that is an excuse, but its way more work and alot harder to pull off well. This is one of the reasons they should have stuck with human only, imo. 



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Not to bag on you, but its not the same. Geralt is a pre-set character that gets all the special treament for the game. The Inquisitor has two genders and four races to animate for. Not saying that is an excuse, but its way more work and alot harder to pull off well. This is one of the reasons they should have stuck with human only, imo. 

 

And in spite of this, sometimes the Inquisitor's emotion game is terrific. To say nothing of some of the NPCs and some of the moments in DAI. Some of the examples that come to mind, I've never seen such well-done expressions in any game, let alone a Bioware game.

 

So far, Geralt's expressions are terrifically subtle and well done, as have been Triss' and some other major characters, but a lot of the witcher's NPCs, even prominent ones, are super, super videogamey looking. Neither one explicitly comes ahead of the other, if you ask me.



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Not to bag on you, but its not the same. Geralt is a pre-set character that gets all the special treament for the game. The Inquisitor has two genders and four races to animate for. Not saying that is an excuse, but its way more work and alot harder to pull off well. 

 

I agree, that's not an excuse. TW3 has cutscenes for every single sidequest and encounters with NPCs. And there is a lot of NPC interaction on that game. Something that is severely lacking in DAI (both cutscenes and NPC interaction). But they managed to do it just fine and cutscenes are known to take up time and resources too. So what's DAI excuse for not managing that as well?


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She's still a witcher with swords,oils continuity with a rich back story and a character that's open to being a protagonist in a similar manner to Geralt. Don't see the need to shake up some of the other mechanics as a bad thing. I wouldn't have any issues If signs are replaced by source based abilities.

 

I'd figure they'd have to merge some paths as they've done across games. Not sure they'd need to go out of their way to create overt canon.

I just don't think a witcher game as someone who isn't even a witcher would work. What would I do without Quen?

 

Plus, I despise Ciri with a passion. Would rather play as a custom character, but Lambert would be first choice. 

 

The 3 endings for what happens to the North would require either one being chosen as canon or us playing as far south as possible. IMO.



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Sorry, on mobile so a lot of things aren't working for me.

1/3 in? Yissssss.

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I just don't think a witcher game as someone who isn't even a witcher would work. What would I do without Quen?

 

Plus, I despise Ciri with a passion. Would rather play as a custom character, but Lambert would be first choice. 

 

The 3 endings for what happens to the North would require either one being chosen as canon or us playing as far south as possible. IMO.

 

I'd prefer just about anyone to Lambert. Zero interest in him as a playable character, even if i think he's a fun secondary character.

A custom character(maybe in a prequel) would work less well in my opinion but could work.

She's a witcher, just a different breed. Without Quen people would adapt to the new skills i presume, just as people adapted to combat changes in other games.

Given the merger in variations that happened between TW2 & TW3. It's perfectly possible they could align wider world states without opting for canon.



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And in spite of this, sometimes the Inquisitor's emotion game is terrific. To say nothing of some of the NPCs and some of the moments in DAI. Some of the examples that come to mind, I've never seen such well-done expressions in any game, let alone a Bioware game.

 

I think apart from a few exceptions, DAI's animations are really doll-like, with very stiff movements and expressions that don't match to what is being said. I remember a conversation with Dorian where he was angry and his face was just like the face of the Inquisitor in the video I posted. Maybe it's always been like that, maybe it's more noticeable in DAI because the game has better graphics, I don't know. But there's something about it that bothers me and never bothered me in previous games. 


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I'd prefer just about anyone to Lambert. Zero interest in him as a playable character, even if i think he's a fun secondary character.

A custom character(maybe in a prequel) would work less well in my opinion but could work.

She's a witcher, just a different breed. Without Quen people would adapt to the new skills i presume, just as people adapted to combat changes in other games.

Given the merger in variations that happened between TW2 & TW3. It's perfectly possible they could align wider world states without opting for canon.

She's not a Witcher, just trained by them, she'd be a Witcher if she had taken the mutations and went through the Trials, but she didn't.


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She's a witcher, just a different breed. 

No, she is just trained to use a sword like they are. No mutations, no signs, no potions. Just one big Mary Sue. 


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I think apart from a few exceptions, DAI's animations are really doll-like, with very stiff movements and expressions that don't match to what is being said. I remember a conversation with Dorian where he was angry and he's face was just like the face of the Inquisitor in the video I posted. Maybe it's always been like that, maybe it's more noticeable in DAI because the game has better graphics, I don't know. But there's something about it that bothers me and never bothered me in previous games. 

 

At the end of the day, they both still look like videogames.

 

Geralt does frequently look terrific though. Triss' laugh lines just kill me.


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No, she is just trained to use a sword like they are. No mutations, no signs, no potions. Just one big Mary Sue. 

 

 

Nope she's trained as a witcher.(sword styles, monster lore, use of oils etc)The whole point is that the witchers have been searching forever for someone who can a witcher without mutagens.



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Nope she's trained as a witcher.(sword styles, monster lore, use of oils etc)The whole point is that the witchers have been searching forever for someone who can a witcher without mutagens.

Where do you got that from? Everybody could be a "witcher" by you definition. There is no reason that only Ciri could be trained in witcher combat and making oils, monster lore etc.

I agree with the opinion that Ciri is not a witcher. Being a witcher is not about the profession imo but the mutations.



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Nope she's trained as a witcher.(sword styles, monster lore, use of oils etc)The whole point is that the witchers have been searching forever for someone who can a witcher without mutagens.

Yes, trained as one, but still not one. And where can I find this piece of info of them looking to make Witchers without mutagens, seems incredibly stupid.