Ok...? Not sure where I said I'm free of it but fine, thank you for your insightful criticism.
Obviously, I was responding to the part that I quoted. You made a point about how people have a right to be upset and shouldn't be flamed for it, and my counterpoint was that by putting your opinion out there, you are giving people the right to criticize your opinion.
So much of the character and charm of the game is wrapped up in the banter that it is extremely disheartening that it doesn't work. Not game breaking, no, but it heavily detracts from the experience. I know some people seem not to have a problem with it, but I've never gotten it reliably without cheat engine. And it's a widespread issue, can't really argue it down.
I hesitate to call any issue widespread based on forum posts. As I said, if something is *really* widespread, I expect to see it mentioned on news sites, like what happened with AC:Unity or Arkham Knight. To me, the fact that I haven't gives me reason to doubt how widespread it really is.
And I think their cosmetic packs are still a rip-off compared to their similar offerings for DA2, but that's just me.
In terms of aesthetics or?
That doesn't excuse what they did in any way. It was still a crappy move and they could compensate those people in some way. As far as I've seen they did nothing to atone things. If they did, then my bad, I haven't seen it.
Well, they did create a tool to migrate your saves and already purchased DLC (which, on PS, I think is cross buy anyway? could be wrong on that) to the new platform (although I don't think it's the platform of your choice - would be PS3->PS4, 360-> Xbone), which was a nice gesture. And the game can be had for 50% or less all the time, these days. It's undoubtedly the best direction they could take, because the old gen systems are a cinderblock around their feet. It was an unprecedented move, though, and I think you can make the case that they were not appropriately contrite.
What I don't understand is how they didn't foresee this in the first place. It was idiotic not to drop old gen consoles during development.
What I don't understand is how they didn't foresee this in the first place. It was idiotic not to drop old gen consoles during development.
If I had to guess, I'd say they didn't expect it to be a problem because they expected those platforms to sell far better than they did.
Obviously, I was responding to the part that I quoted. You made a point about how people have a right to be upset and shouldn't be flamed for it, and my counterpoint was that by putting your opinion out there, you are giving people the right to criticize your opinion.
What..? Akrabra said "Let the flaming commence" after giving her/his opinion and I simply said there shouldn't be any flaming at all, from any of the sides. At the end of the day it's just opinions, everyone are entitled to it. And I don't see why you felt the need to say I'm free to get criticized when I never said otherwise.
Seriously, sometimes I have to read my posts a hundred times because by some of the replies I get, I feel like I'm not expressing myself correctly. *sigh*
I was personally hyped for DAI when I heard the developers talk about it being close to DAO standards, broadcasters like Lirik were excited to play the game but Lirik switched game instead of playing after a couple of hours saying "this didn't feel like a dragon age game" or something like that, it felt like Warcraft to him. I personally think he switched games though because it wasn't a game you could really interact with your viewers as you would miss some details in a conversation with your companions. I think he went back and played it through but it was off stream which was heavily disappointing for a lot of his viewers because we wanted to see his impression of the game.
It was fun, but it wasn't DAO fun (for me), thinking back on it, I don't regret buying DAI because I can still play MP with other people, they patched in tactical camera, and some other things that I hope they can eventually fix like amulets of power and what not. Cool elements were introduced with the game but they weren't flushed out enough but hopefully as others said it could strictly be priority changes or a lot of things happened during development, maybe it wasn't their best showing because of changing directions or what have you. Either way, I'm hoping the next DA actually brings it for me next time.
I was hyped for DAi because it was anew dragon age game... I would have avoided it entirely if I knew what the final product was. Zero respect for past lore, most of the mechanics I love like tactics thrown out, even returning to old places has no sense of nostalgia because they have nothing in common with the originals... I mean, why use redcliff without making it the slightest bit familiar? The hell happened to the cliffs?
Plus no cinematic conversation to draw you in, a super short main story and no side quests worth replaying... it's dragon age in name only, really. Never been more disappointed in a game. It's okay at best, and I expect more from dragon age and bioware.
TW3 was a closer experience to the narrative style of origins then DAI was. I cared about it, and I was never a witcher fan before. Amazing, amazing game.
What..? Akrabra said "Let the flaming commence" after giving her/his opinion and I simply said there shouldn't be any flaming at all, from any of the sides. At the end of the day it's just opinions, everyone are entitled to it. And I don't see why you felt the need to say I'm free to get criticized when I never said otherwise.
It wasn't directed at you specifically, and I felt the need to say it because often when people say they're getting flamed, what they really mean is that someone criticized their opinion. That's why you start hearing cries of "Bioware Defense Force" or "Biodrones" whenever someone criticizes the opinion of someone critical of the game. They take it personally instead of identifying it for what it is.
I hesitate to call any issue widespread based on forum posts. As I said, if something is *really* widespread, I expect to see it mentioned on news sites, like what happened with AC:Unity or Arkham Knight. To me, the fact that I haven't gives me reason to doubt how widespread it really is.
In terms of aesthetics or?
The banter issue? There are thousands of posts here, and just googling I found it reported on by PCgamer, IGN, and VG247 on the first page. My own experience, in my first playthrough which was some 90 hours, was less than 20 instances of banter, once I figured something was up and started counting them. That's with switching up my party, clearing out my questlog, fast traveling only from the War Map, and doing all the esoteric fixes that people claimed *might* fix it. I had similar behavior in my second game, but I started using cheat engine to trigger the banter after about 20 hours of play. It's definitely a known issue.
The item packs are a ripoff in terms of content to dollar value. DA2 released two all-class item packs at the same price point, and each one had 40 usable items in it. Scaling weapons, armor, and unique accessories for each companion. All beautifully designed too (seriously, most of the models from those packs are reused on items in Inquisition). Versus the Avvar pack - 2 armors? A chair and a few mounts? The qunari pack - 2 armors and a chair? C'mon now.
The banter issue? There are thousands of posts here, and just googling I found it reported on by PCgamer, IGN, and VG247 on the first page. My own experience, in my first playthrough which was some 90 hours, was less than 20 instances of banter, once I started counting them. That's switching up my party, clearing out my questlog, doing all the esoteric fixes that people claimed *might* fix it. I had similar behavior in my second game, but I started using cheat engine to trigger the banter after about 20 hours of play. It's definitely a known issue.
The item packs are ripoffs in terms of dollar value. DA2 released two all class packs at the same price point, and each one had 40 usable items in it. Scaling weapons, armor, and unique accessories for each companion. All beautifully designed too (seriously, most of the models from those packs are reused on items in Inquisition). Versus the Avvar pack - 2 armors? A chair and a few mounts? The qunari pack - 2 armors and a chair? C'mon now.
You're leaving out the best part, the mesh problems the quanri armors have in this $6.99 paid pack? Occur on qunari characters. That blows my mind.
You're leaving out the best part, the mesh problems the quanri armors have in this $6.99 paid pack? Occur on qunari characters. That blows my mind.
Nope, I addressed that on the last page. And it's really everyone. Blackwall's body looks like it's made of play-doh and their skin colors don't even match up.
They should be ashamed that it passed QA, though. It's really, really bad.
Nope, I addressed that on the last page. And it's really everyone. Blackwall's body looks like it's made of play-doh and their skin colors don't even match up.
They should be ashamed that it passed QA, though. It's really, really bad.
QA only reports flaws; is not in charge of correcting them.
Well, then they should heed their QA people (or their players, who did in fact catch all these issues when it was mistakenly released to Xbox Live two weeks early).
The banter issue? There are thousands of posts here, and just googling I found it reported on by PCgamer, IGN, and VG247 on the first page. My own experience, in my first playthrough which was some 90 hours, was less than 20 instances of banter, once I figured something was up and started counting them. That's with switching up my party, clearing out my questlog, fast traveling only from the War Map, and doing all the esoteric fixes that people claimed *might* fix it. I had similar behavior in my second game, but I started using cheat engine to trigger the banter after about 20 hours of play. It's definitely a known issue.
Fair enough, it may be pretty widespread. I will note, however, doing my own google search just now turned up several posts about things in the party banter before I saw any articles about the problem. As far as the thousands of posts here go, it's hard to consider that significant when there is a large bloc of posters who post about the same problems with the game often and repeatedly.
The item packs are ripoffs in terms of content to dollar value. DA2 released two all-class item packs at the same price point, and each one had 40 usable items in it. Scaling weapons, armor, and unique accessories for each companion. All beautifully designed too (seriously, most of the models from those packs are reused on items in Inquisition). Versus the Avvar pack - 2 armors? A chair and a few mounts? The qunari pack - 2 armors and a chair? C'mon now.
Understood. Like I said, I don't buy cosmetic DLC, so I wasn't aware of any of that.
The banter issue? There are thousands of posts here, and just googling I found it reported on by PCgamer, IGN, and VG247 on the first page. My own experience, in my first playthrough which was some 90 hours, was less than 20 instances of banter, once I figured something was up and started counting them. That's with switching up my party, clearing out my questlog, fast traveling only from the War Map, and doing all the esoteric fixes that people claimed *might* fix it. I had similar behavior in my second game, but I started using cheat engine to trigger the banter after about 20 hours of play. It's definitely a known issue.
The item packs are ripoffs in terms of content to dollar value. DA2 released two all-class item packs at the same price point, and each one had 40 usable items in it. Scaling weapons, armor, and unique accessories for each companion. All beautifully designed too (seriously, most of the models from those packs are reused on items in Inquisition). Versus the Avvar pack - 2 armors? A chair and a few mounts? The qunari pack - 2 armors and a chair? C'mon now.
Fair enough, it may be pretty widespread. I will note, however, doing my own google search just now turned up several posts about things in the party banter before I saw any articles about the problem. As far as the thousands of posts here go, it's hard to consider that significant when there is a large bloc of posters who post about the same problems with the game often and repeatedly.
Understood. Like I said, I don't buy cosmetic DLC, so I wasn't aware of any of that.
It might not have hit you somehow. You're lucky. Some folks do claim not so see any problems (although I think they are the minority). I have no idea what's causing it under the hood, but I hope they just go back what I assume were environmental triggers for banter. I'd rather see a bridge and be able to go "hey, banter time" rather than rely on a schizophrenic and easily distracted timer or whatever it is they're using now.
QA only reports flaws; is not in charge of correcting them.
Yes, and when something sucks and isn't ready for release, QA says "nope, this doesn't meet our standards".
Or they should, seeing as how that's why they exist.
They failed.
What..? Akrabra said "Let the flaming commence" after giving her/his opinion and I simply said there shouldn't be any flaming at all, from any of the sides. At the end of the day it's just opinions, everyone are entitled to it. And I don't see why you felt the need to say I'm free to get criticized when I never said otherwise.
Seriously, sometimes I have to read my posts a hundred times because by some of the replies I get, I feel like I'm not expressing myself correctly. *sigh*
You're expressing yourself fine. Some people will defend flaws to the death and will deflect and analyze any and all sentences in an effort to take any discussion of off the real issues and focus on something as silly as wording, meaning and subtext. It's their right to do so, of course, but you can't eat the blame for that. It's an issue that lies within themselves.
Personally, I don't see how anyone can still defend bugs not being fixed. Party banter is inconsequential to me, as I am deaf, but I can see how it would be game-breaking in the sense that for some traversing in complete silence and missing out on content (yes, it is content) would be something that would deter them from playing. I remember when the thread was open that was questioning why Bioware would fix the duping glitch and defenders were stating, "Because it isn't how Bioware meant for the game to be played." and I see some of those same people defending the actions of still present bugs stating, "Oh, it isn't that big of an issue. I have had no problem with it." If it's a known bug and it is causing issue with any paying customer, then fix the damn bug. Don't stop until it is fixed. Stop releasing broken and expensive item packs and fix the damn bugs present in the main game that people are still complaining about almost a year after release. It's asinine that modders have to step in to fix known issues.
And really, people need to stop defending those hairstyles. There is no defense for all those Three Stooges styles.
But worth is determined by the buyer, and know of some Players that are pleased with the item packs. Having purchased the ones for DA2 and barely used them, I skipped them for DAI; purchased the story DLC instead.
Yes, I know you're very satisfied with what you've been presented. We did this dance a couple of months ago, if I recall. Your experience is not everyone's experience, though.
In my case, those item packs gave me an extra couple of playthroughs and justified their cost in FRAPs and screenshots because they were so darn pretty. I thought they were terrific. The value (and quality, in the case of the qunari stuff) disparity compared with these new offerings is stark and disappointing.
The banter problem is one acknowledged by ML, but they are unable to fix it beyond what has been done.
But worth is determined by the buyer, and know of some Players that are pleased with the item packs. Having purchased the ones for DA2 and barely used them, I skipped them for DAI; purchased the story DLC instead.
Doesn't change the fact they want $7 for a racial item pack that doesn't work for the actual race it's intended for. Not only is the pricing high, but it wasn't tested. That's shoddy development.
Yes, I know you're very satisfied with what you've been presented. We did this dance a couple of months ago, if I recall. Your experience is not everyone's experience, though.
In my case, those item packs gave me an extra couple of playthroughs and justified their cost in FRAPs and screenshots because they were so darn pretty. I thought they were terrific. The value (and quality, in the case of the qunari stuff) disparity compared with these new offerings is stark and disappointing.
I watched a recent Descent LP where the Qunari robes were used; seemed appealing, though not something I wish to use. And while I did use the DA2 accessories for Followers, little else was touched. This is the reason I have not recommended them to others. But if they are of use to others, then they have greater value.
Opinions differ, including the value of worth. I have plenty of extra gameplay from both story DLC's to validate my purchases for entertainment.
You'll notice that I, at least, am not denigrating the story DLCs. I bought and played them both and feel I got my money's worth (moreso with Hakkon than Descent, although Descent was far more visually striking). I think they're both pretty good, although the avvar items should have arguably been included with JoH.
Yes, worth is subjective. Hell, if the qunari items weren't so shoddy, I would have bought them for my nascent qunari run and been happy (of course, that's because qunari got the short end of the armor stick in the base game, but that's another argument). But even so, strip it down as objectively as you can, 41 is a larger number than 6. And that's what you get in the old versus new packs, for the same price. 41 items versus 6 items.
(...) but I can see how it would be game-breaking in the sense that for some traversing in complete silence and missing out on content (yes, it is content) would be something that would deter them from playing.
This is exactly what I meant by game breaking. And I know I'm not the only one to feel that way. I remember seeing a lot of people here on the forums postponing their second and third playthroughs waiting for a fix that never came out.
By the way, KBomb, I love how articulate your comments are. 
You'll notice that I, at least, am not denigrating the story DLCs. I bought and played them both and feel I got my money's worth (moreso with Hakkon than Descent, although Descent was far more visually striking). I think they're both pretty good, although the avvar items should have arguably been included with JoH.
Yes, worth is subjective. Hell, if the qunari items weren't so shoddy, I would have bought them for my nascent qunari run and been happy (of course, that's because qunari got the short end of the armor stick in the base game, but that's another argument). But even so, strip it down as objectively as you can, 41 is a larger number than 6. And that's what you get in the old versus new packs, for the same price. 41 items versus 6 items.
And the Player determines the quality of those items; 41 nuggets may not be as worthy as 6 whole chickens. Same debate was held recently discussing Romances vs sexual conquests; different content may not be equal.
Ok, but... let's take armor items. That way, we're comparing chickens to chickens. There are 24 chickens in just one of the old packs versus 2 chickens in the new packs. And that's leaving out all the garnish and sides (accessories and weapons).
I think there's no comparison, but in the interest of not letting this go on for another 3 pages like it did last time, I'll bow out. You're welcome to the last word on the matter.
Ok, but... let's take armor items. That way, we're comparing chickens to chickens. There are 24 chickens in just one of the old packs versus 2 chickens in the new packs. And that's leaving out all the garnish and sides (accessories and weapons).
I think there's no comparison, but in the interest of not letting this go on for another 3 pages like it did last time, I'll bow out. You're welcome to the last word on the matter.
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