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[Andraste Take the Wheel]

I like the Witcher ending but I'm not sure how Emhyr doesn't realize Ciri is alright when word of a Witcheress is known all throughout what is now Emhyr's land. 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I like the Witcher ending but I'm not sure how Emhyr doesn't realize Ciri is alright when word of a Witcheress is known all throughout what is now Emhyr's land. 

 

Haven't played the game in Polish yet so I can't confirm, but apparently in Polish rather than Emhyr saying "I do not wish to see you. Ever again." he says something that'd translate along the lines of "I do not wish to see you (singular)...you (plural) ever again." 

 

Which could very well imply Emhyr knew Geralt was lying, but let her go willingly. 

[MoonDrummer]

I like the Witcher ending but I'm not sure how Emhyr doesn't realize Ciri is alright when word of a Witcheress is known all throughout what is now Emhyr's land.

Another one! I'm surrounded by traitors an kingslayers... :/

Anyone who isn't hellbent on bringing slavery to the north?

[Cz-99]

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I think I'll save Dijkstra's life in my NG+. A shame about his leg, tho. The guy's already got a bad ankle. But it's the only thing that can remove the stupidity spell put on him by (presumably) Philippa.

[AmberDragon]

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I think I'll save Dijkstra's life in my NG+. A shame about his leg, tho. The guy's already got a bad ankle. But it's the only thing that can remove the stupidity spell put on him by (presumably) Philippa.

 

I did that on my current playthrough, no idea how it turns out yet though.

[Xetykins]

See, i wouldn't mind the witcher ending, I think she's very happy and living the life she wanted but...

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I've killed Dijkstra who was supposed to continue to fight. It's hard to justify letting him live when he pretty much wants to slaughter everyone who helped him kill "Ravodid". Sigh... and I was just begining to like him.

I'm not bothered with Ciri marrying that twerp. I doubt anyone can make her do anything she does not want to do. She's got first class training in Kaer Morhan of being a first class hard head.

Also...why did I not get to kill the last crone that got away? I think you get to do that on the dead Getalt. Or is that one of the millions of quests I did not get to do?

[Lawrence0294]

I prefer the Witcher ending, but the Empress ending is major feels. 

 

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I just love that final shot of Geralt standing there with Ciri's sword as the Nilfgaardian envoy rides off into the distance and the camera pans out, knowing he very well might not see her again... 

 

All with that soundtrack...hngh.

 

 

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I honestly never understood this. Sure he can be sad because they won't be able to travel together and she'll be busy with her own life but how is it implied she might never see him again ? It's established she can teleport wherever, whenever. One evening she can be bored and just pop in at Geralt's on the otherside of the country and have dinner.

And though Voorhis seemed like a cool dude, Ciri would never let herself be married to him. If she rules, she will rule on her own terms.

 

That's what I like with this ending, so many headcanons are possible. You can even conceive she gives Temeria full independent status, who knows. With Ciri in control of the biggest empire ever, you can imagine how she will shape the Witcher world, hand in hand with Cerys of course.

 

[Wolven_Soul]

C'mon. Don't get into any kinds of discussion with a 100% fanboi. Let him live in his perfect little world in his head where Bioware is god and can do no wrong as we have seen on this thread again and again and again. So just let him flap in the silence within your ignore list.

Or just treat his post as comedy gold. Because anyone who blatantly lies about the non existent features of his favorite game just to make it look good is really not worth your time. ( inquisition building new keeps for the refugees, anyone?) Trying to fool people who HAS played the 2 games, unlike him.

On Topic: Trollololo is the best with his "Ravodid" song. Second was the shoe troll. Still Johnny owns them all!

 

Yeah I know, I tried...I really tried to speak rationally with him, but he just kept digging with those trolling posts.  So I finally stuck him on my ignore list, can't deal with that nonsense anymore.

[Hazegurl]

A morbid part of me actually likes

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The Ciri dies

ending. I just hate all the choices made to get it.

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The reason I like it the most is because of how OP Ciri is and I like to balance that with her losing her life defeating the frost.  It seems to be the most fitting IMO.  Ciri becoming a Witcher is the best ending as she gets to live her life as she pleases, while her becoming Empress is just more OP on top of OP.  With elements of bittersweetness.  But the video I watched for the Ciri dies ending was some pretty powerful and emotional stuff.

[Wolven_Soul]

In retrospect, it really does feel like the book was basically a tie-in to that one quest, doesn't it?

 

I agree with you, though. Good quest, but a little dense and inaccessible for some players, at least the first time through.

 

On topic, seems like TW3 does do this very well. I have never read any of the original books. I've played the games, read the ingame codex entries and books and stuff closely, and generally paid attention. As a result, I feel that I have a fine handle on the world, its major players, factions, etc, Geralt's history with all these other characters. The background information is conveyed naturally and organically, which is nice.

 

I don't know what the precise solution is, because it seems to come down to showing versus telling, and I for one really like the extensive, detail filled codexes and supplementary stuff in DA. I like picking through it for interesting or intersectional stuff. And honestly, the setting in DA seems a lot more expansive, detailed, and ambitious than the Witcher's setting overall, which seems to stick to a much smaller geographical area, with a smaller cast of major players, and a less comprehensively realized in-universe history. Conveying all that organically through the gameplay... might just not be possible. It would be awkward.

 

 

I really like the very detailed codices in DA as well.  They provide a lot of fantastic background information about the history of the world, and I agree with you even that the setting is more expansive than the Witcher's.  I prefer the Witcher's more focused approach though.  Try to do to much, and the game will suffer for it.  I just get annoyed when we go through a place like the Still Ruins and rather than get to see what is going on, we get fed a bunch of notes and the like.  Maybe that is not the best example, as everything is frozen, or rather...slowed to a glacial crawl, but you get what I mean I think.  

 

Seriously though, it's amazing how many people stop to write notes or letters or journal entries in the midst of whatever they're doing in those games.  

[Wolven_Soul]

Another thing dragon age franchise can take form witcher are the finisher moves...

 

Really the finisher are fast but even realistic somehow i can see them working even for a click kind of combat ala inquisition... The overall animation of the weapon swing is simply amazing and fluid...

 

Instead in inquisition we have stupid flashy animation anime like... that is a thing that for me is a game breaker element expecially in a western RPG...

 

 

instead of...

 

 

Witcher3 anims looks fluid amazing and behave more natural... Inquisition anims are choppy flashy and anime style....

 

Well, that's actually something that they can take from themselves.  We used to get really neat finishing sequences when we were fighting something large.  Our characters would hop up on the dragon's head and start hacking away.  I loved those.  Don't know why they took it out.  

 

Sometimes it seems to me that one the goals in DA:I was to strip it of so many things that sets Dragon Age apart.

[TheOgre]

Well done subjecting the people of the North to slavery. 

 

Witcher 2 Roche would be ashamed of Witcher 3 Roche. He lost the right to be broche when he turned traitor. 

The north deserves it. They are barbarians and uncivilized at that. Down with Rad the Lad!

[Wolven_Soul]

I don't think fallout4 will be this competitor...Maybe will be because many people are overhyped about it.. But honestly bethsheeda does not shine in regard of writing... Yes they do nice open world games but that's it... And since their new policy is dumb down games to make it accessible even to people that dislike rpg... I don't think fallout4 will be my cup of tea since they chosed to use a voiced protagonist...

 

Is also most likely possible that fallout4 will bring back paid mods... That of course will be cause a huge cut of bethsheeda follower based since they hate paid mods....

 

Skyrim lost several points on the rate when they attempted to introduce paid mod that is a matter of fact so in the end i think betsheeda now is playing the supergreedy card...

 

I Really hope to be wrong.... But i fear fallout4 will be more "shooter" than rpg.

 

I hope your wrong to.  Your correct in that Bethesda does not shine in their writing, I really hope they improve that in FO4, though I to am a little wary about them adding in a voiced protagonist.  I was perfectly content with the silent one.  But...we'll see.  

 

I don't think it will be more shooter than RPG though.  Yeah it looks like they have improved the shooting mechanics, but they still have the V.A.T.S. system in place.   I love that system to death.  Some people are wary about the changes they made to the skills system, but I don't really think it's going to hurt it in the long run.  

 

I'm looking forward to it because I love Fallout, I love post-apocalyptic stories in general.  That, and I am really looking forward to building settlements.  Really hope that feature is really well implemented. 

[Wolven_Soul]

Bah, I'll take Tywin Lannister over Radovid the Witless any day. Both are horrible people but at least Tywin doesn't have a pyre fetish. :S

 

Tywin would so totally own Radovid if they fought a war against one another.  Love to hate that dude.

[panzerwzh]

Another thing dragon age franchise can take form witcher are the finisher moves...

 

Really the finisher are fast but even realistic somehow i can see them working even for a click kind of combat ala inquisition... The overall animation of the weapon swing is simply amazing and fluid...

 

Instead in inquisition we have stupid flashy animation anime like... that is a thing that for me is a game breaker element expecially in a western RPG...

 

 

instead of...

 

 

Witcher3 anims looks fluid amazing and behave more natural... Inquisition anims are choppy flashy and anime style....

Just point out Geralt's sword fight skill is kind of practical as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOXdORyTqVY

 

and someone awesome just forged Geralt's swords

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJZekaPAd_M

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Just point out Geralt's sword fight skill is kind of practical as well.

*snip*

 

CDPR actually has a guy who's choreographed/mo-capped all of Geralt's moves since TW1. 

 

[MoonDrummer]

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And though Voorhis seemed like a cool dude, Ciri would never let herself be married to him. If she rules, she will rule on her own terms.

 

It's canon.  

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Morvran Voorhis – Emperor of Nilfgaard of House of Voorhis, successor of Emhyr var Emreis and member of Guild of Merchants. He ascended the throne in 1290 and died in 1301 (that means he ruled about 11 year). His succesor is Jan Calveit.

 

The north deserves it. They are barbarians and uncivilized at that. Down with Rad the Lad!

You just aren't stern enough!

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General Blenheim Blenckert stood in hi stirrups and stretched his neck as her listened to the echoes of battle.

‘Form up the troops,’ he ordered. ‘Then trot over the hill. From what the scouts are saying, we will run directly into the right wing of the Black ones.’

‘We’ll give them hell!’ cried one of the young lieutenants, a youth with a thin, silky beard. Blenckert gave him aside long glance.

‘Bring the standard to the front,’ he ordered and drew his sword. ‘And give the battle cry, “Redania!” with all the power in your lungs! Let Foltest and Natalis’s boys know that the relief is here.’

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‘Hooray!’ he yelled, waving his mace. ‘Redania! Redania is coming! Eagles! Eagles!’

Over the top of the hill from the north appeared riders. Above the head of the riders and horses fluttered a huge banner with the silver eagle of Redania.

‘Relief!’ yelled de Ruyter. ‘Here comes relief! Hooray! Strike at the Black ones!’

 

Tfw barbarians route your flank.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I don't want to support Radovid or Nilfgaard, but lesser evils and all that. 

 

Radovid is insane, but Nilfgaard discriminates against beards, and a beardless north...doesn't sound ideal. But Geralt's beard shall grow and anyone who stops him can shove it. 

[panzerwzh]

Da details! After 5 play through I'm still missing a lot interaction between Yenna and Geralt.

 

[panzerwzh]

CDPR actually has a guy who's choreographed/mo-capped all of Geralt's moves since TW1. 

 

Cool, no wonder the animation is so fluid and practical as well.

 

This is CDPR's 2008 animation which is quite amazing even by today's standard.

 

[Xetykins]

Heh with those videos, these guys aren't holding out on anything to deliver a great game.

[Das Tentakel]

…And honestly, the setting in DA seems a lot more expansive, detailed, and ambitious than the Witcher's setting overall, which seems to stick to a much smaller geographical area, with a smaller cast of major players, and a less comprehensively realized in-universe history. Conveying all that organically through the gameplay... might just not be possible. It would be awkward.

That is basically the result of DA being a deliberately created RPG setting (more or less) and the Witcher setting being the cumulative evolution of bits of background material in the various stories. There just isn’t much ‘Witcherverse’ outside the stories themselves.

You have the same difference between deliberately created RPG settings and universes from books, movies and TV series. If the latter get ‘converted’ into an RPG setting, the writers have to effectively ‘expand’ the setting because there really isn’t that much info and/or there are huge gaps. There may be a difference in scope between one IP and another – one may deal with a single hero’s adventures within a limited geographical area, the other with continent-spanning wars between huge empires – but the actual amount of info will be pretty disappointing in both cases.
Those kinds of RPG settings end up being ‘expanded universe’ stuff that can be retconned out of existence anytime because of changes in the original IP. Lucas wiping out the Star Wars expanded universe is just one well-known recent example.

The actual depth of info in the DA universe, by the standards of deliberately created RPG settings, is actually not that great – large nations have just a single paragraph devoted to them, good luck finding a king’s list or a good idea of how a particular army is organised or a society actually functions. It’s skin-deep, but it gives the illusion of being broader and deeper than the Witcherverse because it looks more expansive and complete.

In the end, having a larger or more structured amount of ‘lore’ doesn’t matter that much in a cRPG, unless it’s realised in terms of gameplay, story and visuals. Few people read in-game codices.

What I do notice in the Witcher games is that CDPR is pretty good in realising the world and in effectively creating ‘new’ world content through their visual design and adding lore by depicting the customs, folk religion and mental attitudes of ordinary people, soldiers and aristocrats. That is stuff they made up themselves, although they follow the Sapkowskian 'recipe' of mixing European mythology / fairy tales, history and classic (fantasy and other) literature.
It’s not perfect by any means, but a lot of times I have a ‘yep, that’s how it is / was / makes sense’ feeling. That is also quite a bit harder than putting some standard fantasy stuff on paper / in a Codex.
 

[Lawrence0294]

 

It's canon.  

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Morvran Voorhis – Emperor of Nilfgaard of House of Voorhis, successor of Emhyr var Emreis and member of Guild of Merchants. He ascended the throne in 1290 and died in 1301 (that means he ruled about 11 year). His succesor is Jan Calveit.

 

 

But isn't that from the books ? 

 

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I imagine this is what would happen if Ciri doesn't become empress

[Das Tentakel]

But isn't that from the books ? 

 

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I imagine this is what would happen if Ciri doesn't become empress

 

CDPR clearly puts Voorhis

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forward as her likely husband if she becomes Empress. If she doesn't, he presumably becomes Emperor by himself. In both cases, the result is compatible with canon events.

[Lawrence0294]

CDPR clearly puts Voorhis

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forward as her likely husband if she becomes Empress. If she doesn't, he presumably becomes Emperor by himself. In both cases, the result is compatible with canon events.

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Well...*likely" still remains in the realm of possibilities. The Voorhis becoming the emperor scenario seems to be what happens in the canon of the books but since the games offer diverging paths, it seems possible to headcanon Ciri becoming empress could negate Voorhis becoming emperor. I don't think Sapkowski thought Ciri would become empress.

 

...Yes....I'm a bit desperate.