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[Elhanan]

So only your personal choice matters and not ours? Got it.

Back to ignore list with you.

By the way, aside from Sera I recruited all and have not benched any of them. Aside from Blackwall who's my must tank, the rests took turns on the field, and that's the reason why I wanted to gear them all. Are you going to tell me I'm playing it wrong for not benching those I've recruited so I don't have to gear them up?

Can take who you wish; tis single Player after all. But if you wish to outfit them with crafted gear, be prepared to pay a higher price in resources. I prefer to save there and skip the farming, and purchase Influence or other items, but that is my choice. Others can select as they wish, but should not complain if there selection requires them to grind and farm for materials and/or gold to do it.

And you are still on my Ignore list, so no big deal here....

[FKA_Servo]

FT Silverite was my white whale. It is good and that's why I wanted it lol. I wasn't the only one with trouble gathering the goods, if you look on the old dupe thread, you'll see a lot of people had issue with this.

 

Well, I suppose that's the problem with RNG loot, which I have long considered one of DAI's greatest faults, and Elhanan considers one of its greatest strengths (or at any rate, not devastatingly irritating), just because.

 

You know, the ability to craft FT materials, through Dagna maybe, wouldn't have been too far fetched. I think if I had a few minutes to think it through, I could think of any number of ways it would make sense.

[Elhanan]

I just feel if you can complete a playthrough without ever seeing some of the crafting materials, that is restrictive. I had several playthroughs under my belt before even seeing FT silverite and that was after a bit of farming. If I am at the top of my level and still don't have enough high tier mats to outfit my badass squad, that feels restrictive. If I am at a high level and I feel as if I have to pick and choose teammates based on which one has the better gear, or switch gear out between followers, that is restrictive crafting and imo, that isn't fun.

Of course, it is only my opinion, I am sure there are some, like Elhanan that completely disagree with me and that is fine.

They are your resources; spend them as you wish. But complaining about not being able to accomplish it w/o the higher cost is unwise. If everything was easy, there would be no challenge.

And recommend selecting the Companion one prefers, and outfitting them with better gear than the alternates. Example:

* Warriors: Cassandra > Blackwall > Iron Bull
* Rogues: Cole > Varric > Sera
* Mages: Dorian > Solas > Vivienne

That said, I can take any of them in the group as they still have the best gear located; simply prioritize which class reps get top picks. Generally, I have Blackwall, Iron Bull, and Sera waiting in Skyhold. If Cassandra becomes Divine, then Blackwall can substitute easily as he still has top gear, or may get new crafted items. If a Mage leaves, then a lower tier replacement can fill in readily. The only time I had trouble with this was in Descent, because the Rogues became problematic; used a second Mage instead.

[KBomb]

Well, I suppose that's the problem with RNG loot, which I have long considered one of DAI's greatest faults, and Elhanan considers one of its greatest strengths (or at any rate, not devastatingly irritating), just because.

You know, the ability to craft FT materials, through Dagna maybe, wouldn't have been too far fetched. I think if I had a few minutes to think it through, I could think of any number of ways it would make sense.

I love the idea of Dagna and the FT material. That would have been an awesome addition.

I think the rng is the weakest and poorest design element in DAI. I loathe it to the moon and back.

[Wolven_Soul]

I can't see how anyone can defend DAI's gathering system.  The IQ soldiers are extremely pathetic in gathering even the most basic materials.  I don't buy for a moment that Elhanan looked at the results of those material gathering war table results and was totally happy with it.  Not believing that at all.  DAI's resource gathering is such a time sink that doesn't fit the narrative of a near world ending event.  I'm gaining power all over Thedas, yet my soldiers think returning to the base with three freaking plants is good work.

 

And yeah, behold Trissemir. lol!

 

Spoiler

 

That's wrong, that's so wrong.  

[FKA_Servo]

That's wrong, that's so wrong.

An override folder is a beautiful thing.

I'm the one tasked with maintaining and troubleshooting mods in my house. Sometimes I like to, say, map the human male skin textures to the giant spider meshes. Just to keep em on their toes, you know.

[Elhanan]

I can't see how anyone can defend DAI's gathering system.  The IQ soldiers are extremely pathetic in gathering even the most basic materials.  I don't buy for a moment that Elhanan looked at the results of those material gathering war table results and was totally happy with it.  Not believing that at all.  DAI's resource gathering is such a time sink that doesn't fit the narrative of a near world ending event.  I'm gaining power all over Thedas, yet my soldiers think returning to the base with three freaking plants is good work....

Am I content with War Table results? No; reason I also gather resources myself, as well as purchase desired materials. But the option is available, as well as the small garden to supplement desired flora for those not wanting to gather them. It is not required; know of other Players that primarily purchase them.

As for animations, those have been quickened with the last Patch; even more with a Perk selection.

[Wolven_Soul]

I just feel if you can complete a playthrough without ever seeing some of the crafting materials, that is restrictive. I had several playthroughs under my belt before even seeing FT silverite and that was after a bit of farming. If I am at the top of my level and still don't have enough high tier mats to outfit my badass squad, that feels restrictive. If I am at a high level and I feel as if I have to pick and choose teammates based on which one has the better gear, or switch gear out between followers, that is restrictive crafting and imo, that isn't fun.

Of course, it is only my opinion, I am sure there are some, like Elhanan that completely disagree with me and that is fine.

 

The way that I found it restrictive was the fact that it didn't let us choose what kind of slots that we wanted to use.  Offense, Defense, Utility.  There more than a few schematics I got in late game and in DLC, that I liked the look of, that were 100% useless to me because there was no offense slot.

[Wolven_Soul]

Well, I suppose that's the problem with RNG loot, which I have long considered one of DAI's greatest faults, and Elhanan considers one of its greatest strengths (or at any rate, not devastatingly irritating), just because.

 

You know, the ability to craft FT materials, through Dagna maybe, wouldn't have been too far fetched. I think if I had a few minutes to think it through, I could think of any number of ways it would make sense.

 

You could take the material out to a fade rift and stick your hand holding it through the thing before you close it.  That might make it fade touched.  

[FKA_Servo]

You could take the material out to a fade rift and stick your hand holding it through the thing before you close it. That might make it fade touched.

Or! It could require you to open fade rifts in order to craft them, with the caveat that you don't know what may come through.

And now we have this awesome idea that we can't do anything with.

[KBomb]

They are your resources; spend them as you wish. But complaining about not being able to accomplish it w/o the higher cost is unwise. If everything was easy, there would be no challenge.

And recommend selecting the Companion one prefers, and outfitting them with better gear than the alternates. Example:

* Warriors: Cassandra > Blackwall > Iron Bull
* Rogues: Cole > Varric > Sera
* Mages: Dorian > Solas > Vivienne

That said, I can take any of them in the group as they still have the best gear located; simply prioritize which class reps get top picks. Generally, I have Blackwall, Iron Bull, and Sera waiting in Skyhold. If Cassandra becomes Divine, then Blackwall can substitute easily as he still has top gear, or may get new crafted items. If a Mage leaves, then a lower tier replacement can fill in readily. The only time I had trouble with this was in Descent, because the Rogues became problematic; used a second Mage instead.

You repeating this as if it's some sort of truth and it isn't. It is based on your experiences and your play style. Where did I state I want gathering to be easy and to go without any cost? At this point, Elhanan, you're just putting words into people's mouths to build arguments around them and for someone who goes about pointing out that fact and opinion should be kept separate, you spend most of your posts expounding on your opinion as if it's a universal truth. I don't mind that some materials are rare and hard to obtain, but going through an entire game without obtaining a certain material goes beyond a rare encounter.

 

As I stated on the dupe thread, here is how I think materials should be, in spoilers in case you don't care to read it.

 

Spoiler

I think everything you work toward should be beneficial.

 

For instance:

Claiming a camp: Doing so will cause scouts to gather floral and hunt around the area of your camp, causing you to get a cache of leather and herbs with each camp claimed. (and not just six)

 

Closing Fade Rifts: This will result in Fade Touched materials and the "rarer" ones will be determined on the level of the rift and the area. Example, if you're a high level in Emprise de Lion, closing a rift will get you Fade Touched Silverite or Dawnstar--if you're a lower level, you'll get FT Bloodstone or cloth.

 

Claim a Logging Site: This could also result in scouts gathering flora and leathers and native metals by clearing the site to ready it for logging.

 

Claiming a mine: This should be obvious, claim a mine, get a cache of local metals and depending on your level or influence, include some rare or FT.

 

The more agents you recruit should allow you to send certain agents out. For instance, Scouts for Leliana can be sent via War Table to gather plants or secure crops of a certain herb. (And not the shoddy six plants they usually gather, but the amount and rarity will be dependant on influence/level, Josephine's agents could procure you leathers and cloth from merchant deals, Cullen, metals, etc.

 

And as Tom said, Dagna would be a wonderful resource to help gather rare materials such as Fade Touched Items and other Masterwork materials. She has to have some contacts from the Circle and from merchants who sell "special" materials.

 

Instead of clearing an area and recruiting people to "Spread the word of the Inquisition", you can literally hire them to mine, grow crops, hunt for pelts, etc. The rareness and amount again, dependant on how much influence and experience you have.

 

Each one of these examples can be achieved by actually doing something in-game. Your actions and steps you take as the Inquisitor will be beneficial and it's a great way to use all that extra Power. None of this can be considered "handing the player an easy card". Instead, it allows the Inquisitor to actually have the power they're suppose to have, to build an organization that is self-sustaining without outside reliance that grows along with your power.

 

As for the rest of your reply: thanks, but telling me how to play and who to choose as a companion kind of proves my point and I don't need or want anyone telling me to choose one and treat them special and bench the others. How ridiculous. I utilize every single companion. As soon as I gain them, I already have their role in my organization planned out, or else why bother recruiting them at all? It's like, "Well, Cassandra is my best tank, why bother with Iron Bull or Blackwall?" How utterly boring, imo. They're all a part of my organization, they are all in my employ and if I am level 27 and have put the time and effort in, I should be able to reflect that in every single companion. If you don't want to play that way and you're happy with how you play, then wonderful. I am glad, really. I think it's great when anyone can set out a course for themselves in a game and be satisfied with it. Just stop expecting everyone else to achieve the same results and understand that if they aren't satisfied with a aspect of the game, they're going to voice that, you don't have to tear down their opinion. 

[Elhanan]

You repeating this as if it's some sort of truth and it isn't. It is based on your experiences and your play style. Where did I state I want gathering to be easy and to go without any cost? At this point, Elhanan, you're just putting words into people's mouths to build arguments around them and for someone who goes about pointing out that fact and opinion should be kept separate, you spend most of your posts expounding on your opinion as if it's a universal truth. I don't mind that some materials are rare and hard to obtain, but going through an entire game without obtaining a certain material goes beyond a rare encounter.
 
As I stated on the dupe thread, here is how I think materials should be, in spoilers in case you don't care to read it.
 

Spoiler

I think everything you work toward should be beneficial.
 
For instance:
Claiming a camp: Doing so will cause scouts to gather floral and hunt around the area of your camp, causing you to get a cache of leather and herbs with each camp claimed. (and not just six)
 
Closing Fade Rifts: This will result in Fade Touched materials and the "rarer" ones will be determined on the level of the rift and the area. Example, if you're a high level in Emprise de Lion, closing a rift will get you Fade Touched Silverite or Dawnstar--if you're a lower level, you'll get FT Bloodstone or cloth.
 
Claim a Logging Site: This could also result in scouts gathering flora and leathers and native metals by clearing the site to ready it for logging.
 
Claiming a mine: This should be obvious, claim a mine, get a cache of local metals and depending on your level or influence, include some rare or FT.
 
The more agents you recruit should allow you to send certain agents out. For instance, Scouts for Leliana can be sent via War Table to gather plants or secure crops of a certain herb. (And not the shoddy six plants they usually gather, but the amount and rarity will be dependant on influence/level, Josephine's agents could procure you leathers and cloth from merchant deals, Cullen, metals, etc.
 
And as Tom said, Dagna would be a wonderful resource to help gather rare materials such as Fade Touched Items and other Masterwork materials. She has to have some contacts from the Circle and from merchants who sell "special" materials.
 
Instead of clearing an area and recruiting people to "Spread the word of the Inquisition", you can literally hire them to mine, grow crops, hunt for pelts, etc. The rareness and amount again, dependant on how much influence and experience you have.

 
Each one of these examples can be achieved by actually doing something in-game. Your actions and steps you take as the Inquisitor will be beneficial and it's a great way to use all that extra Power. None of this can be considered "handing the player an easy card". Instead, it allows the Inquisitor to actually have the power they're suppose to have, to build an organization that is self-sustaining without outside reliance that grows along with your power.
 
As for the rest of your reply: thanks, but telling me how to play and who to choose as a companion kind of proves my point and I don't need or want anyone telling me to choose one and treat them special and bench the others. How ridiculous. I utilize every single companion. As soon as I gain them, I already have their role in my organization planned out, or else why bother recruiting them at all? It's like, "Well, Cassandra is my best tank, why bother with Iron Bull or Blackwall?" How utterly boring, imo. They're all a part of my organization, they are all in my employ and if I am level 27 and have put the time and effort in, I should be able to reflect that in every single companion. If you don't want to play that way and you're happy with how you play, then wonderful. I am glad, really. I think it's great when anyone can set out a course for themselves in a game and be satisfied with it. Just stop expecting everyone else to achieve the same results and understand that if they aren't satisfied with a aspect of the game, they're going to voice that, you don't have to tear down their opinion.

Again, it is not my playstyle or opinion that is paramount. What I choose works for me. Those that wish to craft for all, and grind and farm for mats can go right ahead; that is their call. But they should not complain about it because there are other options including mine. Don't like farming? Make another choice.

And that was a simple example; not telling anyone how to play. Folks do not have to bench anyone. I choose to skip offensive content, and it is not as ridiculous as spending funds on a game I know I will dislike due to the same kind of content which has no such control.

Folks read far too much into my posts. I do not hate TW3; loathe the ESRB content which was chosen to go into it, so I will not support it via purchase. In DAI, there is control if one wants it, and this is one way I solve the problem: benching characters. This works for me, much like the various suggestions to skip romances and bath houses.

[KBomb]

Again, it is not my playstyle or opinion that is paramount. What I choose works for me. Those that wish to craft for all, and grind and farm for mats can go right ahead; that is their call. But they should not complain about it because there are other options including mine. Don't like farming? Make another choice.

And that was a simple example; not telling anyone how to play. Folks do not have to bench anyone. I choose to skip offensive content, and it is not as ridiculous as spending funds on a game I know I will dislike due to the same kind of content which has no such control.

Folks read far too much into my posts. I do not hate TW3; loathe the ESRB content which was chosen to go into it, so I will not support it via purchase. In DAI, there is control if one wants it, and this is one way I solve the problem: benching characters. This works for me, much like the various suggestions to skip romances and bath houses.

We are complaining because we think it is poorly designed. In our opinion it is a poorly designed mechanic. That is why we complain. The fact that a choice is farming should spell that out for you. I think you know all this, Elhanan. I think you choose to misunderstand. We're just running in circles at this point and that is what you want.

You don't have to agree with my opinion. It's still valid.

[Elhanan]

We are complaining because we think it is poorly designed. In our opinion it is a poorly designed mechanic. That is why we complain. The fact that a choice is farming should spell that out for you. I think you know all this, Elhanan. I think you choose to misunderstand. We're just running in circles at this point and that is what you want.

You don't have to agree with my opinion. It's still valid.

It is a Player choice to farm or not. Personally dislike it; never used it on SWTOR or DAI, so it is certainly not required. Other gear will do fine. But if one wishes to outfit the entire Inquisition, that is the price one apparently must pay.

I do not care for some of the Collections, so I skip them. Simply because they are not my cup of tea and are implemented, does not equate to the design being poor; just not for me. My opinion only. If I were to collect them, complaining about it as it is on me; my choice.

[FKA_Servo]

Well, it means that the design is not optimal for many of those who want to utilize the crafting to its full potential, and to consequently get the most from the game - which is far more likely the developers intent than barely using it because it's "not necessary." You're kinda the odd man out here.

I think there are a thousand things that are just a little bit dumb with inquisition, and I love the game. But c'est la vie.

[Akrabra]

To be fair its the first time they did a full on crafting system with weapons, and armor. True they've had things like Alchemy before, but never anything else. The system works fine, but it needs an overhaul to how you get crafting materials and schematics. I personally dislike The Black Emporium abit here, mostly because you can buy Dragon stuff which i think actually should be earned by killing Dragons. The rest is ok. Like so many have suggested before is to make the War Table a better place to gather materials. You should gain more from operations and you should be able to trade Power for materials or schematics and other things. At the end of a full completionist playthrough, i normally have 200 power that i can't use. 

[KBomb]

Well, it means that the design is not optimal for many of those who want to utilize the crafting to its full potential, and to consequently get the most from the game - which is far more likely the developers intent than barely using it because it's "not necessary." You're kinda the odd man out here.

I think there are a thousand things that are just a little bit dumb with inquisition, and I love the game. But c'est la vie.

I don't know why my phone denies me the "Like" button, but I want to throw you a couple of them.

[Elhanan]

To be fair its the first time they did a full on crafting system with weapons, and armor. True they've had things like Alchemy before, but never anything else. The system works fine, but it needs an overhaul to how you get crafting materials and schematics. I personally dislike The Black Emporium abit here, mostly because you can buy Dragon stuff which i think actually should be earned by killing Dragons. The rest is ok. Like so many have suggested before is to make the War Table a better place to gather materials. You should gain more from operations and you should be able to trade Power for materials or schematics and other things. At the end of a full completionist playthrough, i normally have 200 power that i can't use.

Dragon materials are limited to 20 each, I believe. That would seem to fit the shop setting.

[Elhanan]

Well, it means that the design is not optimal for many of those who want to utilize the crafting to its full potential, and to consequently get the most from the game - which is far more likely the developers intent than barely using it because it's "not necessary." You're kinda the odd man out here.

I think there are a thousand things that are just a little bit dumb with inquisition, and I love the game. But c'est la vie.

Such potential may be achieved, but may require farming. And my methodology may or may not be unique, but am content with my choice. Every character is still ready for use if needed.

Getting the most from the game does not require utilizing every mechanics, exploring every area, or doing every quest in every campaign. It may also be achieved by more playthroughs, trying varied builds, exploring more dialogue, etc. Tis subjective for each Player. It is not predicated on making such max use of one system any different than the choices already extant.

[Wolven_Soul]

Well, it means that the design is not optimal for many of those who want to utilize the crafting to its full potential, and to consequently get the most from the game - which is far more likely the developers intent than barely using it because it's "not necessary." You're kinda the odd man out here.

I think there are a thousand things that are just a little bit dumb with inquisition, and I love the game. But c'est la vie.

 

When even other people who are defending the game are disagreeing with you...that should tell ya something I think.

[Elhanan]

When even other people who are defending the game are disagreeing with you...that should tell ya something I think.

Tis fine; disagree with others, too. Cloned opinions on everything is not a prereq....

[KBomb]

Tis fine; disagree with others, too. Cloned opinions on everything is not a prereq....

It isn't about everyone having the same opinion. Often my opinion differs from some posters like Tommy or Akrabra, but they try to respect and understand the opinion rather than try to invalidate and dismantle it, even if they completely disagree. You got to have respect for that.

 

In all honesty, I think TW3 is near perfect. Every major issue I have had with the game has been fixed with patches, but I understand that others may feel differently. It doesn't invalidate my love for the game because they dislike it or believe it to have flaws. Just like complaints and flaws aren't going to invalidate your love for DAI. 

 

It's perfectly fine to say, "Oh, I disagree with that opinion and here is why...." ,but you accuse those with opposing opinions of spreading falsehoods and/or playing the game wrong or not understand it. I don't think one person here cares that your opinions aren't "cloned", I think they dislike the way you present it. 

 

Now, to move on:

 

I have started a new play through and this time decided not to use fast travel at all and already I have found a handful of things I didn't see in my previous two rounds. Even though I used Fast Travel in those, I would "section" off areas and walk them, but I guess I just ran through and didn't take the time to really soak everything in. Patience truly is a virtue, it's too bad I lack it.

[Elhanan]

Respect? Seem to recall that my opinion was not worthy of anyone. Such endearing posts like this may have reduced my diplomacy skills a tad. When outright falsehoods are posted that can be refuted by actual game content, I choose to speak on it.

[KBomb]

Respect? Seem to recall that my opinion was not worthy of anyone. Such endearing posts like this may have reduced my diplomacy skills a tad. When outright falsehoods are posted that can be refuted by actual game content, I choose to speak on it.

Never once have I said such a thing about your opinion.

And saying, "I don't like the gather/craft sytem and the RNG system." is not falsehood and a player's personal and individual reason for not liking it doesn't need to be refuted. Takes a lot of hubris to assign yourself such an occupation.

[Elhanan]

Never once have I said such a thing about your opinion.

And saying, "I don't like the gather/craft sytem and the RNG system." is not falsehood and a player's personal and individual reason for not liking it doesn't need to be refuted. Takes a lot of hubris to assign yourself such an occupation.

And again; misunderstood. I could care less if anyone does not like the game and/ or systems. What is false are those saying farming and grinding are necessary. When folks complain when they have other choices, that appears entitled.