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Not everything; still have to bench Vega, the Iron Bull, and Blackwall for the most part. But at least I can still play the majority of the games.


Why would you bench vega? There's nothing about him I can imagine being remotely offensive. I think he casually used the "sh" word a few times but he's a good and happy person in mass effect.

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They did it for marketing buzz. In the same way they pushed "16 Free DLCs" at a time when people were thinking potentially far more substantive content. CDPR is very good at playing on gamers attitudes.


Geeze man, you're hard to please. They maintained an already massive (far more noteworthy content then DAI ever had, especially with the wonderful side quests) title with ongoing free updates and you're upset?

Damn them for giving us free stuff after release. Sure it's good pr, but they even gave us new game plus after the fact because people on the forum asked for it. DAI would have charged you $4.99 per update.

As for the new dlc or expansion or whatever, it's great. And the next one will be double the size with an entirely new land, and even the small one is longer and has far more attention than any dlc in DAI and a smaller price point.

I have no complaints about CDPR's conduct. They're a business, nobody has any illusions about that, but I wish DAI made half the effort tw3 did. If they treat their customers better I don't care what their motives are, I'm just going to enjoy the extra content in a great game.

The day they add micro transactions for potion chests and do stuff like remove healing magic (and I'm sorry to anyone who thinks this was for lore reasons, but come on, charging for one healing method and the other just happens to vanish at the same time?) so they're more useful to buy for multiplayer, that's the day I'll be upset.
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Changing the subject - can anyone recommend some attractive and effective late game non-witcher gear? The only set I really like is the wolven set, and I've been wearing it for what feels like my entire life at this point. Wouldn't mind switching some stuff up, but considering that the DLC enemies are giving me a run for my money, I don't want to downgrade that much.


While I liked both Ursine and Wolf gear, the Viper gear you get in HoS is my dream come true to use it again. Its lvl69 on NG+ though.
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Geeze man, you're hard to please. They maintained an already massive (far more noteworthy content then DAI ever had, especially with the wonderful side quests) title with ongoing free updates and you're upset?

 

Damn them for giving us free stuff after release. Sure it's good pr, but they even gave us new game plus after the fact because people on the forum asked for it. DAI would have charged you $4.99 per update.

 

Actually, I think the most valuable post-release content for DAI has been the stuff they released for free, due to fan feedback - including the "fake NG+" (the nug) that's actually far preferable to a real NG+, in my view. As well as the Black Emporium and the Trials. The spoils packs are shameful ripoffs, but I think that Trespasser and JoH are well worth the price I paid for them. But then, I very much enjoyed the base game in DAI.

 

In any case, I think it's likely that In Exile simply approaches CDPR with the same POV that s/he would of any other developer - which is to say, wariness. As you say, they're not running a charity. Though in their credit, they've figured out that building goodwill can be a good way of looking out for their bottom line. And they do play their fans like a piano.

 

The day they add micro transactions for potion chests and do stuff like remove healing magic (and I'm sorry to anyone who thinks this was for lore reasons, but come on, charging for one healing method and the other just happens to vanish at the same time?) so they're more useful to buy for multiplayer, that's the day I'll be upset.

 

If they are indeed adding a multiplayer mode to Cyberpunk, this is a given. If CDPR releases any sort of multiplayer game in 20whenever the hell, and it doesn't have RMTs, I will literally and truly eat my hat. Not even they can get away with that.

 

You're still demonstrably wrong about healing magic.



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Actually, I think the most valuable post-release content for DAI has been the stuff they released for free, due to fan feedback - including the "fake NG+" (the nug) that's actually far preferable to a real NG+, in my view. As well as the Black Emporium and the Trials. The spoils packs are shameful ripoffs, but I think that Trespasser and JoH are well worth the price I paid for them. But then, I very much enjoyed the base game in DAI.
 
In any case, I think it's likely that In Exile simply approaches CDPR with the same POV that s/he would of any other developer - which is to say, wariness. As you say, they're not running a charity. Though in their credit, they've figured out that building goodwill can be a good way of looking out for their bottom line. And they do play their fans like a piano.
 

 
If they are indeed adding a multiplayer mode to Cyberpunk, this is a given. If CDPR releases any sort of multiplayer game in 20whenever the hell, and it doesn't have RMTs, I will literally and truly eat my hat. Not even they can get away with that.
 
You're still demonstrably wrong about healing magic.


That's your opinion, but when they change the lore of the world, rip healing magic from everyone and then ask me for real money for healing potions, it's pretty clear to me as to why. Unless the inquisitor and all his friends are weaker then the parties in DAO and da2, in which case Leliana and Morrigan are wasting their time with lesser companions.

It's not even spirit healing, basic healing is an apprentice level spell in origins and da2 and accessible from the start. Now the greatest mages in ferelden are required to cast it? It's a bad change. Anyway doesn't matter, but mp affected a lot of single player contrary to what Elhanon says, the 8 skill layout for instance. Somehow I think if they weren't charging for potions, we'd still have healers, and there's now lore to support the change, but that doesn't mean it wasn't an ea cash grab.

The enemies cast it, the player casts it, the companions cast it, now they all have amnesia and I can buy bottled versions for the low low price of $2.99. It can be the first spell in the game for shy character. In DAI my thought process was "wow, no more healing spells? That makes no sense" and a week or so later when I tried mp it was "oh."

It's fine to like DAI, but it's s hell of s coincidence they just happened to charge for one type if healing while omitting the other entirely after two games where it was normal and the basic version was available to every magic user and suitable for battlefield use.

As for cyberpunk, at least they won't be altering an existing single player game to incorporate paid multiplayer. And even if they do go that route, I seriously doubt they'll charge players to be able to heal when we get low on potions or for loot drops.
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In any case, I think it's likely that In Exile simply approaches CDPR with the same POV that s/he would of any other developer - which is to say, wariness. As you say, they're not running a charity. Though in their credit, they've figured out that building goodwill can be a good way of looking out for their bottom line. And they do play their fans like a piano.


Still don't know why though. CDPR has done nothing but gave back to their existing customers like Enhanced Editions for 1&2 for free that also came with 3 hrs more of story. That to me speaks a lot more than their marketing videos.

Granted bioware gave us the nug and black emporium, but imo it was paid by the rip offs cosmetic dlc that they sold for $6 (50 norwegian kr) each for Avvar & Qunari. You still paid for it in a round about way. IMHO.

Now, I've no history with CDPR fangirling until July this year, but I don't think they've ever had questionable practices that made you go "wtf" to be tossed on the tosser fence.
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Still don't know why though. CDPR has done nothing but gave back to their existing customers like Enhanced Editions for 1&2 for free that also came with 3 hrs more of story. That to me speaks a lot more than their marketing videos.

Granted bioware gave us the nug and black emporium, but imo it was paid by the rip offs cosmetic dlc that they sold for $6 (50 norwegian kr) each for Avvar & Qunari. You still paid for it in a round about way. IMHO.

You're Norwegian? Awesome! And while i agree on the item packs, atleast they didn't change the game or anything like that. The moment something out of the core game goes into a DLC then i have a problem with it, or its locked behind pre-order, ugh. 



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You're Norwegian? Awesome! And while i agree on the item packs, atleast they didn't change the game or anything like that. The moment something out of the core game goes into a DLC then i have a problem with it, or its locked behind pre-order, ugh.

No, I'm not, but the bf is. And 7 yrs after migrating, I still can't get my head around how bloody expensive everything is here :(

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Odds that we can play other races in w4?

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No, I'm not, but the bf is. And 7 yrs after migrating, I still can't get my head around how bloody expensive everything is here :(


Gopher has mentioned much the same thing, as a Brit living in Norway. His concern seems to be the taxes.
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No, I'm not, but the bf is. And 7 yrs after migrating, I still can't get my head around how bloody expensive everything is here :(

Norway is quite expensive yes. As a part time student and i recently lost my job there is hard times ahead. Atleast the goverment helps people get back on their feet here. Monthly payments for food and rent etc is a godsend. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Enough off topic! :D


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It is only my opinion, but I found all of DAI's dlc rather lackluster and too expensive, save the last one and even it was ripe with missed opportunity. I also felt selling item packs that should have clearly been in the dlc was a bad move on their part. 

 

 

On another topic:

 

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#11438
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It is only my opinion, but I found all of DAI's dlc rather lackluster and too expensive, save the last one and even it was ripe with missed opportunity. I also felt selling item packs that should have clearly been in the dlc was a bad move on their part. 
 
 
On another topic:
 

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And I still enjoy the DLC, though I skipped the item packs. However, all are included in the GOTY Ed.

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And I still enjoy the DLC, though I skipped the item packs. However, all are included in the GOTY Ed.

Oh is that what a GOTY edition is? I thought it was just a celebration of the game beeing out one year so they released it for the same price without any extra content :D



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Oh is that what a GOTY edition is? I thought it was just a celebration of the game beeing out one year so they released it for the same price without any extra content :D


Not in this case; over 130+ GOTY Awards including the 2014 DICE Award. And all the single Player content is included for the original Regular game price.

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Not in this case; over 130+ GOTY Awards including the 2014 DICE Award. And all the single Player content is included for the original Regular game price.

 

Really starting to suspect you're a robot.


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On another topic:
 

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You have. You heartless woman :P

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Writing that made me think of my poor dumped warden and Alistair's rose :/
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Not in this case; over 130+ GOTY Awards including the 2014 DICE Award. And all the single Player content is included for the original Regular game price.

Well its not like i was sarcastic or anything like that, ugh. 


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You have. You heartless woman :P

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Writing that made me think of my poor dumped warden and Alistair's rose :/


Oh no!

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You have. You heartless woman :P

[Spoiler] why continue her suffering when they can never be together again? He was her love, her life. She was still waiting for him even after all those years even in death. The only way for her to gave peace is to bring them together which will never happen short of killing Olghierd AFTER you free him from O'Dimm... or just take the rose and let her have her peace finally. The poor woman deserves it.

Anyway, as much as I like Olghierd, he did not deserve Iris in life and in death.

Writing that made me think of my poor dumped warden and Alistair's rose :/


I saw the rose in my female Noble campaign, but became Queen at the conclusion. Were you playing an Elf? In that scenario, I stepped aside and chose to serve the Alienage.

However, my fave DAO romance was playing a Dalish male Elf that returned to the Clan with Leliana. This carried over as one of my default World States that I use for most of my Rogue Inq's.

The most crushing romance was the unrequited adoration for Aveline in DA2; still a fave, but could only endure it once.

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Well its not like i was sarcastic or anything like that, ugh.


Just making myself clear, as others have dismissed it in other threads. Robots like to be thorough.... :D

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I saw the rose in my female Noble campaign, but became Queen at the conclusion. Were you playing an Elf? In that scenario, I stepped aside and chose to serve the Alienage.However, my fave DAO romance was playing a Dalish male Elf that returned to the Clan with Leliana. This carried over as one of my default World States that I use for most of my Rogue Inq's.The most crushing romance was the unrequited adoration for Aveline in DA2; still a fave, but could only endure it once.


Human mage :(

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Human mage :(


Ah; sorry.

In Mage sessions, I play with foreknowledge of events as a Mage trait, and choose what is best for that specific Mage. In the case of my female Elven mage, I believe I received the rose, but broke things off on my own soon after so we could remain as close friends, and I would be in a role as trusted advisor. My evil mages place Alistair alone on the throne to better control him and Ferelden.

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I think that ME's MP is just as extravagantly unnecessary as DA's.

 

That's also a two year old article, though. With any luck, they've come to their senses since.

 

Well sure it was unnecessary, but it was fun.  In the end it was probably the only part of the game I have any fondness for.  



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I thought their take on DRM is pretty interesting, I'm not knocking the company or anything I've played all TW games, but when TW2 came out they were trying to give really hardcore DRM and sending our warnings about how important it was to get the disc copy or something then all of a sudden it was around TW3 time sending out a letter "This is DRM free, DRM is bad, aren't we good at how we don't care about DRM?" They even went so far as to put a joke in the game somewhere or something about it.

 

In fairness though, they aren't the only company that's good at marketing buzz... can think of a few others closer to home. =]

 

Anyway DLC makes more sense to me, I just asked about it at all because nothing really made sense... they just released TW3 and suddenly they were pushing out stuff that was greater in content than all of TW3 I'm just like that's just logically impossible from a development standpoints it would seem...

 

 

It's really just size.. I mean something like some Valkyria Chronicles DLC which I wanted was like literally 3 missions or something it's such a tiny bite.

 

Something back in the day like Lord of Destruction for Diablo 2, based on the amount of gameplay changes and new ways to play and such, provided arguably around 50-60 hours of playable experiences.

 

Overall I do agree with your point, I just meant to say that the differences in the word use was all just marketing ultimately. I'm not trying to criticize CDPR in their offering. While I very much disagree with people who ascribe to them some motivation beyond profit - I happen to think they're just very adept business people who realize that treating your consumers in a manner they (i.e., the consumers) see as respectful is the best way to grow a business - I think it's pretty clear that a lot of CDPR's practices are to gamer's benefit. 


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