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[Wolven_Soul]

Technically it isn't subjective. Preference isn't fact.

 

Not subjective at all.  TW3's graphics were definitely better than DA:I's, especially when it comes to character models.  Heck there were some NPC's in TW3 that looked better than some of DA:I's main characters.

 

Then when you add in things like the weather affects, the way the wind would actually push the trees, bushes, grass around.  And the lighting, good gods the lighting in TW3 was so gorgeous.  Everytime I get a cloudless, full moon night, it still takes my breath away.  Just beautiful.

 

Okay so maybe it was a little to windy in TW3.  Would have been better with some variation in there.

[Wolven_Soul]

TW1 and TW2 don't really do much to recommend Geralt as a character, although I think there is a steady and noticeable march towards likability. He didn't click with me until TW3, but I've warmed to him more than I ever thought I would in TW3. His interactions with Ciri play no small part in that. Overall though, I'd kill to play a game like this with a robust CC.

 

Gotta say, I thought the scene in Get Junior was cheap and exploitive, but that's just me. Otherwise... it's not a game for children, and they use that M rating for more than just breasts and slo mo decapitations, which I appreciate. But then, so does Bioware.

 

Otherwise, I still think it's largely like comparing Age of Empires to Tetris - the only thing the games really have in common is that they fall under the same vaguely defined "RPG" genre umbrella.

 

I don't think a Witcher game with CC will ever be as good as the ones we have had with Geralt.  You just can't tell as good as story with CC as you can with an already established character.  Geralt has so much back history to draw on for that, which you just can't get with a custom character.  So, although I am not saying that I don't like making custom characters, I just don't think that I would ever be as excited about a Witcher game that didn't center around Geralt.

[Wolven_Soul]

When I finally learn to take scs in Witcher 3 ( print screen don't work) I will post some taken on my rig. I gotta say, it's damned close to pre-downgrade and some parts better, after scouring the internet on max settings. So personally, that downgrade is almost nil to me. I'm not much of a graphics ****** anyway because for me DAO still looks good when a lot here claims it did not age well.

And I would like to swap someone with Xbone for at least 3 weeks so I can play Halo

 

Gonna wait till that one comes down in price.  Saving up for my PS4 right now and a few games to go with it.  Uggh, saving money is hard when there is so many good games popping up right now!

[FKA_Servo]

I don't think a Witcher game with CC will ever be as good as the ones we have had with Geralt.  You just can't tell as good as story with CC as you can with an already established character.  Geralt has so much back history to draw on for that, which you just can't get with a custom character.  So, although I am not saying that I don't like making custom characters, I just don't think that I would ever be as excited about a Witcher game that didn't center around Geralt.

 

Well, I think you can... but that being said, I don't think that a customizable character precludes a pre-defined character, or a rich and detailed background. It didn't for Hawke or Shepard.

 

I pretend the books don't exist, so the scenario of the Witcher is, for me, contained within the three games I've completed. If we take that to be the case, then the extent of Geralt's backstory (not the particulars necessarily, just the detail upon which it is elaborated) that we receive in the games, particularly in light of the fact that he's an amnesiac for the first 1.5 games, would work just fine with a custom protagonist while still supplying a a strong character history. Honestly, with a few changes (albeit one or two large ones) it could straight up work with Geralt's backstory. Alter (or don't) a few of his past relationships, establish that women can, in fact, be witchers (this is essentially established by one of the endings of TW3, although I see no indication that they can't, other than the formulae for the correct decoctions being lost), and... that's kind of it.

[wicked cool]

Do you think da4 could/would model combat after w3 or is the tactical view too complicated.
Would the combat work as a pure mage?

Could w3 use a zoom out feature?

[FKA_Servo]

Do you think da4 could/would model combat after w3 or is the tactical view too complicated.
Would the combat work as a pure mage?

Could w3 use a zoom out feature?

 

Apples and aardvarks. DA4 should continue to be a real-time with pause party RPG, and the Witcher, should they make any more games in the series, should continue to be an action RPG, leaning exclusively towards the action end of the spectrum. Both can coexist harmoniously.

[Akrabra]

When I finally learn to take scs in Witcher 3 ( print screen don't work) I will post some taken on my rig. I gotta say, it's damned close to pre-downgrade and some parts better, after scouring the internet on max settings. So personally, that downgrade is almost nil to me. I'm not much of a graphics ****** anyway because for me DAO still looks good when a lot here claims it did not age well.

My problem with the downgrade has nothing to do with said downgrade. It showed that they can lie aswell and CDRP got a pass on it because they do other things that people like. Which is fine i guess, everyone can forgive and forget, and should most of the time. It just shows that the business is corrupt at its core. They swore plenty of times that the game would look like that, and it didn't. Often happens when you announce a game 2 years before release, no way you can meet technical expectations. Developers should take a hint from Bethesda here and announce their games when they are done, 6 months before going gold. 

I don't think a Witcher game with CC will ever be as good as the ones we have had with Geralt.  You just can't tell as good as story with CC as you can with an already established character.  Geralt has so much back history to draw on for that, which you just can't get with a custom character.  So, although I am not saying that I don't like making custom characters, I just don't think that I would ever be as excited about a Witcher game that didn't center around Geralt.

Well alot of that backstory is generated by the book franchise, which is not fair compared to what Bioware has accomplished in establishing lore for both Mass Effect and Dragon Age. Fair enough their lore is based on something and has idea's from many things, its still damned impressive. Bioware even does Star Wars better than George Lucas ever did. Great world creators, but lacks abit on the charactertization bit. Still i would take creating my own character over a preset character in any rpg. For immersion! Hate that word. And after that tiny rant i actually saw what your post was about, but letting it stand!

[Dread-Reaper]

Well, I think you can... but that being said, I don't think that a customizable character precludes a pre-defined character, or a rich and detailed background. It didn't for Hawke or Shepard.

 

I pretend the books don't exist, so the scenario of the Witcher is, for me, contained within the three games I've completed. If we take that to be the case, then the extent of Geralt's backstory (not the particulars necessarily, just the detail upon which it is elaborated) that we receive in the games, particularly in light of the fact that he's an amnesiac for the first 1.5 games, would work just fine with a custom protagonist while still supplying a a strong character history. Honestly, with a few changes (albeit one or two large ones) it could straight up work with Geralt's backstory. Alter (or don't) a few of his past relationships, establish that women can, in fact, be witchers (this is essentially established by one of the endings of TW3, although I see no indication that they can't, other than the formulae for the correct decoctions being lost), and... that's kind of it.

That ending didn't establish anything, a Mary Sue shouldn't be used as an example for something like that. Anyway, besides most of the knowledge of how to create Witchers being lost, I'm not sure anyone would choose to be a Female Witcher. 

[Xetykins]

My problem with the downgrade has nothing to do with said downgrade. It showed that they can lie aswell and CDRP got a pass on it because they do other things that people like.

See, I've been scouring the net if they said that the pre-downgrade trailer was going to be the finished product and not just the usual cgi trailer like the Calling trailer in DAO which was hugely different from the game. I haven't found any. If you have any links, I'd be glad to read.

[TmTapani]

I wouldn't call the graphical downgrade - situation with the Witcher lying though. All the content shown to potential buyers in the months before release was identical to what they got in the end.Trailers, screenshots, feature descriptions... you name it. In short, people saw what they would get and they got it. The Watchdogs downgrade on the other hand, if you want something to compare it to, was something very different. Ubisoft showed false footage up to the very last minute and it wasn't until people finally got their hands on the actual game that the truth came out and the material was revealed to be different from what they had been lead to believe. THAT I would call lying.

[Elhanan]

Not subjective at all.  TW3's graphics were definitely better than DA:I's, especially when it comes to character models.  Heck there were some NPC's in TW3 that looked better than some of DA:I's main characters.
 
Then when you add in things like the weather affects, the way the wind would actually push the trees, bushes, grass around.  And the lighting, good gods the lighting in TW3 was so gorgeous.  Everytime I get a cloudless, full moon night, it still takes my breath away.  Just beautiful.
 
Okay so maybe it was a little to windy in TW3.  Would have been better with some variation in there.

One opinion supporting another does not equate to fact. And I do not miss the NWN2 dynamic winds; both bend trees like a hurricane.

[Hazegurl]

As far as graphics is concerned, I can handle a downgrade.  When it comes to story and choices and features, I can't handle. One seriously impacts the enjoyment of the game while the other doesn't. Also, I saw several streamers playing TW3 weeks before release at CDPR's studio and the game looked the same as what we got when we bought it. 

 

At least they actually spoke openly about the graphics

http://www.eurogamer...e-issue-head-on

 

BW just hides and let their hardcore fanbase and shills do their fighting for them.

 

Developers should take a hint from Bethesda here and announce their games when they are done, 6 months before going gold.

 

I agree 100%

 

As for Ciri, she's not even a Witcher. She's just one in name only and because she's a Mary Sue, which keeps her from getting eaten by Drowners.

[chance52]

I finished Hearts of Stone and I have to say I loved how well the expansion added to the game without feeling shoehorned in. It pulled a fan favorite character into a pretty good sized role without making it feel like fan service too. I was skeptical when they said the story would fit anywhere in the main quest line and have to say I love how smooth the transition was. The expansion starts at a notice board and even has a little video of Geralt looking for witchers work as he does the entire game. 

 

I hated ten times over how Omega was handled by BioWare. It felt like it was missing from the main game and the small role Aria played felt more like a advertisement "Buy my future DLC about how I take back Omega!" I say this as a fan of Aria too, I liked her character and voice actress in ME2, I would have bought Omega anyway, in fact I bought it the moment it came out and got it for $5 cheaper just because they made a mistake with the price in the first 20 minutes of release and quickly changed it from $10 to $15 but everyone that bought it at $10 just got it, no way to go back and pay the intended price. 

 

I hope that the next Witcher expansion is just as good or better, I know its supposed to be a lot longer than this first one.  And I also hope games like Fallout 4 and future BioWare titles look at how CDPR integrated their expansion into the main story. I am very impressed with not only the fact that it can be dived into at any point and make sense story wise, but how you can leave and go back to the main story and have characters comment on your new scar. Yennifer, Ciri and Triss can all make comments about the new scar on Geralts face. And I do love that CDPR continues to support the game and make patches to fix bugs and exploits (that tax collector mini quest was great!) To this day Omega still is broken in places with no hope for support anywhere down the line. CDPR and Bethesda both seem good about supporting their games for a good while after release. 

[Xetykins]

As far as graphics is concerned, I can handle a downgrade.  When it comes to story and choices and features, I can't handle. One seriously impacts the enjoyment of the game while the other doesn't. Also, I saw several streamers playing TW3 weeks before release at CDPR's studio and the game looked the same as what we got when we bought it. 
 
At least they actually spoke openly about the graphics
http://www.eurogamer...e-issue-head-on
 
BW just hides and let their hardcore fanbase and shills do their fighting for them.

Like this one for example. Yes, it's pre-alpha live demo but they talk specifically about game mechanics like "reactivity" and "consequence". They are obviously trying to sell the game that way, and I was sold. Sigh...

https://www.youtube....h?v=AAAEUFjq2K4

CDPR on the other hand, I did not see flapping their gums about the graphics. It was people's assumption that it was going to be finished product. But people waves the downgrade issue around like the sword of damned truth.

[Elhanan]

DAI gameplay does have consequences related to dialogue (eg; Dalish Favor needed to gain an Agent). Yet those shown in the Crestwood pre-Alpha vid were removed or altered. That is what testing is for anyway.

CDPR offered images for pre-launch hype whether quotes are available or not; still should not be accountable for pre-launch materials. Kudo's to them even for testing the higher def visuals, IMO.

[Fandango]

Like this one for example. Yes, it's pre-alpha live demo but they talk specifically about game mechanics like "reactivity" and "consequence". They are obviously trying to sell the game that way, and I was sold. Sigh...



CDPR on the other hand, I did not see flapping their gums about the graphics. It was people's assumption that it was going to be finished product. But people waves the downgrade issue around like the sword of damned truth.

 

Aye - much as I enjoyed Inquisition - seeing those early gameplay reveals still pain me. Such a pity.

[Elhanan]

Aye - much as I enjoyed Inquisition - seeing those early gameplay reveals still pain me. Such a pity.

Agreed; that someone believes and/ or buys into pre-Alpha material is rather sad....

[FKA_Servo]

That ending didn't establish anything, a Mary Sue shouldn't be used as an example for something like that. Anyway, besides most of the knowledge of how to create Witchers being lost, I'm not sure anyone would choose to be a Female Witcher.

Well, as I said, I was specifically presupposing the books don't exist and basing that solely in the information presented in the games alone, to broadly support the idea that you can have a custom protagonist that is still predefined to the same extent as a Geralt. Whereas you seem to be speaking based on the books, leading into the games, and from your specific affection for all of that as a whole.

In any case, it does stand, because that's more or less what happens. I don't see what about the idea of a professional itinerant monster slayer is specifically limited to men alone. If everything was more or less the same but we're on the planet Velen and the notJedi were actually just Jedi, there would be nothing preventing Ciri from picking up that mantle.

[Fandango]

Agreed; that someone believes and/ or buys into pre-Alpha material is rather sad....

 

Sadder than your misanthropy?

[wicked cool]

Did the 360/ps3 causebioware to scrap what we saw and were graphics downgraded in w3 due to ps4/x1

[Xetykins]

I can get around the tiny loss of graphics quality but never ever the quality of the backbone of the game itself. Had they not talk extensively about those and show it as the DAI now, I won't have pre-ordered it, rather wait for when the price is rock bottom. Because that was not testing anything. It was marketed as such.

And please, don't talk about it as if it's the same thing.
Showing a picture of an idea is not the same as talking about a backbone mechanics live.

DAI gameplay does have consequences related to dialogue (eg; Dalish Favor needed to gain an Agent). Yet those shown in the Crestwood pre-Alpha vid were removed or altered. That is what testing is for anyway.CDPR offered images for pre-launch hype whether quotes are available or not; still should not be accountable for pre-launch materials. Kudo's to them even for testing the higher def visuals, IMO.

[Dread-Reaper]

Well, as I said, I was specifically presupposing the books don't exist and basing that solely in the information presented in the games alone, to broadly support the idea that you can have a custom protagonist that is still predefined to the same extent as a Geralt. Whereas you seem to be speaking based on the books, leading into the games, and from your specific affection for all of that as a whole.

In any case, it does stand, because that's more or less what happens. I don't see what about the idea of a professional itinerant monster slayer is specifically limited to men alone. If everything was more or less the same but we're on the planet Velen and the notJedi were actually just Jedi, there would be nothing preventing Ciri from picking up that mantle.

Even if the books didn't exist, Geralt indirectly states females can't become Witchers, but let's say that they did exist, the games scenarios would be entirely different, unless they changed the sex of some characters.

[Lawrence0294]

The way DA:I changed is indeed a great shame, that video showed really fun mechanics that were sadly cut due to old gen limitations. Arg, I so wish they would've dumped them.

 

But I'm further upset by the Witcher 3 downgrades. The game was open for pre-order on November 5 2013 and this is what people thought the game would be: 

 

 

even the E3 2014 build looked quite better:

 

 

 

CDPR never said "all right, this is the final build people", and the general consumer doesn't follow, like a lot of us here, gaming news so much so it's very easy for them to be mislead and CDPR should have clarified, no excuses. They only got a slap on the wrist though because....well the game was fantastic. The final build still looked very solid.

[Elhanan]

Sadder than your misanthropy?

No, but at least my perspective on humanity is based on actual launched material; not pre-Alpha speculation.

[Elhanan]

I can get around the tiny loss of graphics quality but never ever the quality of the backbone of the game itself. Had they not talk extensively about those and show it as the DAI now, I won't have pre-ordered it, rather wait for when the price is rock bottom. Because that was not testing anything. It was marketed as such.

And please, don't talk about it as if it's the same thing.
Showing a picture of an idea is not the same as talking about a backbone mechanics live.

Using dialogue choices leading to varied outcomes is what is exemplified in DAI. And others have indicated what was expected to be seen in TW3. Both were altered from pre-launch content on display in some public venue.