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[FKA_Servo]

LOL, in better hands? In terms of what? Switching Yenna as Triss, Ciri as Alvian in TW1? Or push Geralt into his nightmare - political nonsense in TW2 and 3 (with fake red head ending)? No offense, CDPR did wonders with TW game series but by no means they could compare to the creator of TW world.  P.S. Season of Storms is almost translated into English!

 

Well, no, TW1 is still terrible. The better parts of TW2 (especially the politics) and the entirety of TW3 seem to redeem it all, though.

 

I'm speaking in terms of taking middling source material and turning it into something really terrific. There's nothing special or interesting about TW's "dark fantasy" world, and the fact that it's so much fun to run around in owes everything to CDPR's design and execution. The story is nothing revolutionary, but again, shines because of CDPR's writing and execution.

 

Just my opinion, of course. I'm sorry you're so upset about the entirely valid "fake redhead" ending. I feel the same way about midichorians, but I've learned to just ignore it.

[Akrabra]

Not too pissed to cash those royalty checks, I imagine. I actually think he could stand to be a bit more gracious, considering the games seem to have given him quite a bump, and that there's a whole continent or two of people who might never have heard his name otherwise.

 

For my part, the little bit I've delved into the books has left me with the impression that the property is much better off in CDPR's hands - much like Star Wars is better off in Bioware's hands than George Lucas', or any given Bob Dylan song is better off in the hands of... nearly anyone else.

I am sorry, but are you hating on Bob Dylan? :s

[FKA_Servo]

I am sorry, but are you hating on Bob Dylan? :s

 

Only a little bit.

[panzerwzh]

Well, no, TW1 is still terrible. The better parts of TW2 (especially the politics) and the entirety of TW3 seem to redeem it all, though.

 

I'm speaking in terms of taking middling source material and turning it into something really terrific. There's nothing special or interesting about TW's "dark fantasy" world, and the fact that it's so much fun to run around in owes everything to CDPR's design and execution. The story is nothing revolutionary, but again, shines because of CDPR's writing and execution.

 

Just my opinion, of course. I'm sorry you're so upset about the entirely valid "fake redhead" ending. I feel the same way about midichorians, but I've learned to just ignore it.

I'm not upset at all. Just find it kind of funny since Triss is always kind of "insecure" inside so that fake red wag thing is pretty suitable for her. And TW saga is never about "dark fantasy" world at all, Geralt is kind of a translator/ middle man between monster and man, which actually shares so many common emotions; an old wolf who dreams for peace but always dragged into something he has zero interests in (especially political power which Yenna loathes yet Triss loves), an infertile witcher yet has dream for a farmer and father (same as Yenna). TW's story is all about struggles against fate yet reflects on basic human decencies.  The fact that CDPR has contributed top-notch writing to nail these in TW games makes me very happy. Unfortunately, that does not make them canon.  As for Geralt's witcher career, he still kicks ass in 1373 in good old Temeria which is 101 years after TW3's ending.

[straykat]

I am sorry, but are you hating on Bob Dylan? :s

 

This might be funnier than Elhanan's posts.

 

Although, you have to give Jimi credit. Even Bob did.

[FKA_Servo]

Although, you have to give Jimi credit. Even Bob did.

This isn't a one off, is all I'm saying...

[Xetykins]

Not too pissed to cash those royalty checks, I imagine.

I think so too. He is certainly rolling in it now.

[straykat]

This isn't a one off, is all I'm saying...

 

You better not say Guns n Roses at least. Because the original is the best.

[TmTapani]

I think so too. He is certainly rolling in it now.

Yeah. That might be a part of the problem actually. Geralt and company have existed for a few decades and it took video games to make them popular. That's got to sting a bit as far as the original author is involved. Especially when other writers have taken over the intellectual property and the recent success and popularity can be attributed almost solely them. He might be wealthy because of it but it has still got to hurt.

[FKA_Servo]

Yeah. That might be a part of the problem actually. Geralt and company have existed for a few decades and it took video games to make them popular. That's got to sting a bit as far as the original author is involved. Especially when other writers have taken over the intellectual property and the recent success and popularity can be attributed almost solely them. He might be wealthy because of it but it has still got to hurt.

 

On the other hand, TW3 got a dude I know who doesn't read books to buy and read a book. If a million new readers are discovering and enjoying his original work thanks to CDPR, I can't see what there is to be that upset about. There are countless talented and wonderful creators who fly under the radar at all times, and I would hope it's clear that that's not an indictment of their quality. Even GRRM was reasonably niche until HBO turned Game of Thrones into a big screaming deal, and he seems to be pretty sanguine about that whole situation.

 

Plus, if Sapkowski wanted to write for the games, ten bucks says CDPR would have agreed to it in a flash.

[TmTapani]

On the other hand, TW3 got a dude I know who doesn't read books to buy and read a book. If a million new readers are discovering and enjoying his original work thanks to CDPR, I can't see what there is to be that upset about. There are countless talented and wonderful creators who fly under the radar at all times, and that's obviously not an indictment of their quality. Even GRRM was reasonably niche until HBO turned Game of Thrones into a big screaming deal, and he seems to be pretty sanguine about that whole situation.

 

Plus, if Sapkowski wanted to write for the games, ten bucks says CDPR would have agreed to it in a flash.

Amen to that. I read a lot, especially fantasy books, and the games are the only reason I am even aware of the series. That's how obscure it was to a westerner. Nevertheless it will sting the pride of an original author, there is no denying of that fact. I guess I would be hurt as well if I were in a similar situation. Not all people are alike.

[Akrabra]

This might be funnier than Elhanan's posts.

Why?

[panzerwzh]

Andrzej Sapkowski at Lucca Comics & Games 2015

 

http://www.wired.it/...comics-fantasy/

No science fiction books?

"They were all fed up about terrible Polish science fiction! [Laughs] I was given a limit of a number of pages for this story. So I wondered what I could write given that limit, which was 30 pages. Go to Mordor and throw the ring into Mount Doom? No! I had far fewer pages at my disposal. I decided to tell a story in a different way rather famous in Poland: the one of an apprentice cobbler who comes to town and have to fight against evil, of course, and free the girl who would otherwise have been sacrificed.
In my reworking, if it was a fable, the cobbler would be the best, would defeat the monster immediately and would fell in love with the girl who had to save. But my book is a fantasy: the cobbler then became a poor cobbler, who was starving and that certainly could not have beat the monster ... and that is why he decided to contact a professional. In the real world - because the fantasy is this: the real world - there must be a professional, someone who gets paid."

A real fantasy, then, is a realistic story?

"The difference between fairy tales and fantasy stories is that fantasy ones are true - absolutely true. It is the creation of an artist. In the words of Tolkien, the sky is red and the tales are purple. But it exists. It's a real world because I - the writer, the artist - I created it. "

...

You have been asked hundreds of times, but... what do you think of video games inspired by your books?

"I know nothing. I've never played. I am just a happy owner of the rights [laughs]. It's like with the books I've written, but I've never opened ".

[KBomb]

I'm not upset at all. Just find it kind of funny since Triss is always kind of "insecure" inside so that fake red wag thing is pretty suitable for her. And TW saga is never about "dark fantasy" world at all, Geralt is kind of a translator/ middle man between monster and man, which actually shares so many common emotions; an old wolf who dreams for peace but always dragged into something he has zero interests in (especially political power which Yenna loathes yet Triss loves), an infertile witcher yet has dream for a farmer and father (same as Yenna). TW's story is all about struggles against fate yet reflects on basic human decencies.  The fact that CDPR has contributed top-notch writing to nail these in TW games makes me very happy. Unfortunately, that does not make them canon.  As for Geralt's witcher career, he still kicks ass in 1373 in good old Temeria which is 101 years after TW3's ending.

You sound upset. Every time Triss is mentioned, you seem upset and begin reciting canon. I understand you're invested in the books and canon is very important to you and I do respect that. Speaking for myself, I am invested in the video game and that story is what's important to me. I get what you're saying about the book's canon and I agree that the game doesn't reflect the events in the books, but I also hope you understand that it can't. As in RPG fashion, CDPR wanted to give us (the customer) choice and allow us to have a hand in shaping Geralt's story and I am grateful for it. I am not sure I would love the series as much if Geralt had no direction from me--if Yennifer was forced to be my true love and their future already cast in stone. Player agency has to be present, or the game changes to something else, imo. 

[panzerwzh]

On the other hand, TW3 got a dude I know who doesn't read books to buy and read a book. If a million new readers are discovering and enjoying his original work thanks to CDPR, I can't see what there is to be that upset about. There are countless talented and wonderful creators who fly under the radar at all times, and I would hope it's clear that that's not an indictment of their quality. Even GRRM was reasonably niche until HBO turned Game of Thrones into a big screaming deal, and he seems to be pretty sanguine about that whole situation.

 

Plus, if Sapkowski wanted to write for the games, ten bucks says CDPR would have agreed to it in a flash.

I really don't think Andrzej Sapkowski  would be upset about TW game series since he would not even bother to play any game at his age.

[panzerwzh]

You sound upset. Every time Triss is mentioned, you seem upset and begin reciting canon. I understand you're invested in the books and canon is very important to you and I do respect that. Speaking for myself, I am invested in the video game and that story is what's important to me. I get what you're saying about the book's canon and I agree that the game doesn't reflect the events in the books, but I also hope you understand that it can't. As in RPG fashion, CDPR wanted to give us (the customer) choice and allow us to have a hand in shaping Geralt's story and I am grateful for it. I am not sure I would love the series as much if Geralt had no direction from me--if Yennifer was forced to be my true love and their future already cast in stone. Player agency has to be present, or the game changes to something else, imo. 

Please, I have not reason to be upset at all, especially since I got my hands on Season of Storms, and understand Geralt (no mine) still kicking ass in 1373 makes me so happy. Like so many new TW fans I picked up all books after TW1 because CDPR's wonderful job. Unfortunately, that does not make them canon. This is a simple fact hence there is nothing the be upset about. Same theory applies to the whole Triss' romance as well.

[panzerwzh]

P.S. CDPR does reflect events in the books especially in TW3. They are amazing in keeping consistency with the book series. 

[KBomb]

P.S. CDPR does reflect events in the books especially in TW3. They are amazing in keeping consistency with the book series.

lol Then why go on about Triss all the time? Whether you are truly upset or not, you definitely come off that way.

[panzerwzh]

lol Then why go on about Triss all the time? Whether you are truly upset or not, you definitely come off that way.

When a crusade is coming one has to pick sides. And it is so funny to see Triss's fan crying for "injustice" inTW3. Yep, I'm evil. 

[FKA_Servo]

P.S. CDPR does reflect events in the books especially in TW3. They are amazing in keeping consistency with the book series.

Particularly the book where Geralt, his time with Yennefer nothing more than a bad memory, retires happily to Kovir as Triss' stay at home dude.

[KBomb]

When a crusade is coming one has to pick sides. And it is so funny to see Triss's fan crying for "injustice" inTW3. Yep, I'm evil.

Are you referring to me?

[panzerwzh]

Particularly the book where Geralt, his time with Yennefer nothing more than a bad memory, retires happily to Kovir as Triss' stay at home dude.

Yep, so eventually after 100 years Geralt is so bored with dumb political struggles and grand schemes, (p.s. Kovir turns into a republic) and decide to go back to Northern Kingdom and keep on the path with Yenna. I would buy that. 

[panzerwzh]

Are you referring to me?

Not really, try to search CDPR's forum. There are several major battlefields/threads left.

[FKA_Servo]

It's all in good fun. God knows I've been the touchy OG super fan in other situations.

Real talk though, I want to romance Olgierd.

[KBomb]

Not really, try to search CDPR's forum. There are several major battlefields/threads left.

I think they handled Triss beautifully, there is a reason she is my waifu.

@Tommy-- Where is that petition? I'll sign it--he was an amazing character on all levels.