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[Akrabra]

Hey, he's a wonderful songwriter.

He is a legend! Then again i am biased, i grew up on Dylan and my dad played his songs constantly. It reminds me of home and quality dad time. I sound like such a sap when i put it like that. 

[FKA_Servo]

Streamlining is not a bad thing though. Even in an RPG. Makes more time for actually playing the game and not looking at stats. In an isometric tactical RPG i would agree to streamlining beeing a negative thing. In a 3rd person/1st person action/Rpg the more you have time to immerse yourself in the world the better. Well the bugfixing has been going on since E3, they seem to take it alot more serious this time. So i trust, i like to trust people. 

 

The streamlining evident in Skyrim made the whole thing 1000% more playable (and there are some very inventive perk overhauls by talented modders for those who'd rather something different or more complicated).

 

Honestly, I've played each game from Daggerfall, and nearly every game prior to Skyrim has had an annoying as hell experience system. You'd have to study the mechanics and micromanage each skill up lest you wind up a level 100 acrobat and level butt at anything useful. Which can be fun, I guess, if it makes sense, but Bethesda's systems don't, at all. I'll take the streamlining any day of the week.

[straykat]

I think Skyrim streamlined a bit too much, but I don't mind the general direction they were going for. I definitely don't want to go back to Oblivion, for sure... besides bringing back spellmaking.

[FKA_Servo]

I think Skyrim streamlined a bit too much, but I don't mind the general direction they were going for. I definitely don't want to go back to Oblivion, for sure... besides bringing back spellmaking.

 

I would love for them to bring that back as well, but I think that's a separate issue from the streamlining that people complain about.

 

The biggest gripe seems to be that a single character can be good at everything, which you obviously couldn't in the previous games. But I feel like that's the same as when completionists gripe about a game being too big because they're trying to do everything, and the answer is just as easy and obvious - conceive a character concept, play the character true to that concept, and resist the temptation to cast fireballs and summon demons on your sneaky thief if it seems out of character.

[Wolven_Soul]

I would love for them to bring that back as well, but I think that's a separate issue from the streamlining that people complain about.

 

The biggest gripe seems to be that a single character can be good at everything, which you obviously couldn't in the previous games. But I feel like that's the same as when completionists gripe about a game being too big because they're trying to do everything, and the answer is just as easy and obvious - conceive a character concept, play the character true to that concept, and resist the temptation to cast fireballs and summon demons on your sneaky thief if it seems out of character.

 

I don't care so much about spell crafting, but I wanna be able to make super jumpy boots like I did in Morrowind that let me jump over mountains if I wanted to.  

[ashwind]

Streamlining is not a bad thing though. Even in an RPG. Makes more time for actually playing the game and not looking at stats. In an isometric tactical RPG i would agree to streamlining beeing a negative thing. In a 3rd person/1st person action/Rpg the more you have time to immerse yourself in the world the better. Well the bugfixing has been going on since E3, they seem to take it alot more serious this time. So i trust, i like to trust people. 

 

I am not against streamlining. By all means streamline the annoying and frustrating game mechanics but over streamlining leads to dumb down. TES (Fallout) are open world sandbox RPG. It is not # Person Action/RPG. 

 

I can understand how the stats/leveling before Skyrim is maybe annoying and frustrating to many. That however has been solved by the mods in both Morrowind and Oblivion - ie, divide the stats equally based on skill gain. I really dont understand why Bethesda totally ignore such ideas and simply do away with stats all together in Skyrim.

 

I find the following to be dumb down and not streamlining:

1. Flying and Swimming: Morrowind - Oh yes, I believe I can fly and I can. I can even swim... although those darn fishes are a pain

 

2. Spell making: How am I to immerse into the role of a mage without the ability to make my own spells...

 

3. Replacing directions with map markers. I am not against markers and yes I know they can be turned off -BUT- in Morrowind, NPC will give me detail direction to a place. Walk north until you see this, then turn left, then follow the road until you see a village on your right etc etc. In Skyrim that is mostly replaced by markers and it simply is not as immersive. There is a difference between getting lost and simply lost.

 

4. In Oblivion I will spend hours and hours trying to arrange objects on the table (sandbox rpg), I have a bowl to keep all my diamonds and rubies like candies, I spent countless hours trying to slide a book on the shelves. In Skyrim.... the only improvement is the shelf.. the rest is totally lost. [edit: I take the improvement bit back. I like the unorganized look in Oblivion cos tis more organic ]

 

... and I am sure there will be more if I keep digging.

 

Yeah... Skyrim is more Action RPG than the rest and that is what I dont like because... action combat is nothing to shout about in Bethesda games imo.

[FKA_Servo]

Yeah... Skyrim is more Action RPG than the rest and that is what I dont like because... action combat is nothing to shout about in Bethesda games imo.

 

The thing is, all of the games have always had action combat - they were just built on a weird stat system. So no matter what, you're gonna be swinging your daggers in real-time at the skeleton two inches in front of you. The only difference with Skyrim's system versus the older ones is that you'll actually connect with your hits, versus flailing wildly at the air (despite said skeleton being, again, two inches in front of you) because your short-blade skill is in the dumps.

[ashwind]

The thing is, all of the games have always had action combat - they were just built on a weird stat system. So no matter what, you're gonna be swinging your daggers in real-time at the skeleton two inches in front of you. The only difference with Skyrim's system versus the older ones is that you'll actually connect with your hits, versus flailing wildly at the air (despite said skeleton being, again, two inches in front of you) because your short-blade skill is in the dumps.

 

True. The one thing that Skyrim does better than its predecessors is the combat. Skill base combat, regardless of perspective (1st person, 3rd person) has always been that way; character stats over player skill. 

 

However, being better than its predecessors does not make it great because I expect to dodge, sidestep and roll in an Action Game. Stats is simply replaced by Armor/Weapon skill/effectiveness and the difference is only noticeable in the beginning. After not too long, Skyrim plays the same as Daggerfall, I just stand there and hack away.

[FKA_Servo]

True. The one thing that Skyrim does better than its predecessors is the combat. Skill base combat, regardless of perspective (1st person, 3rd person) has always been that way; character stats over player skill. 

 

However, being better than its predecessors does not make it great because I expect to dodge, sidestep and roll in an Action Game. Stats is simply replaced by Armor and the difference is only noticeable in the beginning. After not too long, Skyrim plays the same as Daggerfall, I just stand there and hack away.

 

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. More that I think dumb and functional is preferable to convoluted and difficult in this case. Combat has never been the strength of these games, nor has it ever been the thing that really kept me playing them.

[Elhanan]

Have not played any other Bethesda games, but Skyrim may have the best Archery system seen in any game in my experience. I look forward to using it again in SkyWind, if and when that mod is released.

[FKA_Servo]

Have not played any other Bethesda games, but Skyrim may have the best Archery system seen in any game in my experience. I look forward to using it again in SkyWind, if and when that mod is released.

 

The youngest among us will die of old age before that happens.

 

Archery is a lot of fun, though. In fact, with a few tweaky mods, stealthy archer characters in Skyrim are terrific.

[KBomb]

Have not played any other Bethesda games, but Skyrim may have the best Archery system seen in any game in my experience. I look forward to using it again in SkyWind, if and when that mod is released.

I can't believe I am saying this, but I agree with you.

[straykat]

I liked the early Thief games for the archery and rogue-ish experience. Everything I ever did in TES games was just a poor attempt at me replicating it. It has it's moments.

[Akrabra]

I liked the early Thief games for the archery and rogue-ish experience. Everything I ever did in TES games was just a poor attempt at me replicating it. It has it's moments.

True, but when developing Thief they only had to focus on that aspect of the game and make it as fun and challenging as possible. When you make a roleplaying game you gotta account for so many different playstyles that its hard to make every single one amazing. Almost all RPG's have that problem though, unfornately. 

[straykat]

True, but when developing Thief they only had to focus on that aspect of the game and make it as fun and challenging as possible. When you make a roleplaying game you gotta account for so many different playstyles that its hard to make every single one amazing. Almost all RPG's have that problem though, unfornately. 

 

True. Come to think of it, there aren't many attempts at using fantasy or medieval backdrops, unless it's an RPG. But I like it when people have tried. I could go for an all warrior or mage type of game too.

[Reighto]

This review represents my thoughts about Skyrim perfectly: http://www.gamefaqs..../reviews/149090

I personally was never fond of Vanilla Skyrim or Oblivion. With mods though it was a complete different expierence and i spent a couple hundred hours in Skyrim.

Here is the review for those who would like to read it here:

 

Spoiler

I was somewhat excited when I decided to play Skyrim. The game's predecessor, Oblivion, was still relatively fresh in my mind...and while I wasn't particularly fond of Oblivion, I had been told that Skyrim had done a good job remedying many of the things that I had disliked about Oblivion, particularly the awkwardness of facial modeling and character movement. When I first began to play, I truly believed that I was about to experience a game that truly was a step above the game that had come before it. The first portions of exposition and gameplay are well-done. Seated in a horse-drawn carriage, my wrists bound with rope, subjected to the depressing lamentations of my fellow prisoners and hushed talk of rebellions...it felt exciting. As the story progressed I was taken through an immersive experience that Oblivion had never offered me. If only for a few moments, the game had convinced me that I was in for something special. However, once the token tutorial had ended and I was given free reign to do as I please, it became obvious that the best part of the game had ended. It was all downhill from there. I'll do my best to address the parts of the game that I feel were important...

GRAPHICS - 10/10

The graphics are good. Very good. The game is beautiful. The awkward, ugly facial animations from Oblivion, uncanny valley and all, have been replaced by models that actually aren't a pain to look at. The environments are vast and breathtaking. Big, snow-filled tundras and daunting mountain ranges...it's deserving of the word 'epic'. The effects of spells and shouts are colorful and well-animated. Simply for the visual effects alone, it feels good to use them. I don't have anything bad to say about how the game looks.

SOUND - 7/10

The sound is good. There are several memorable pieces of music, and the sound serves its purpose well. Voice acting is a massive improvement from Oblivion...though with the overwhelming amount of characters in the game, they're forced to reuse many of the same voice actors and the player is sure to notice. In the end, though, the majority of the game's music was forgettable...though the voice acting will remain a significant achievement, even with the recycled voice acting. There's only so much you can do when you have a game that is this massively large when it comes to voice acting, and I do believe that those who made the game did the best they could in this regard.

PLOT AND CHARACTERS - 5/10

It's hard to judge the overall story presentation of a game that has no many things going on at once. There are many moments in the game (mostly during the main quest) that seem genuinely excited in how the story is presented to you...but overall, it's just the kind of thing you'd expect from any game of this variety that has a plot. The characters in Skyrim aren't very good. Most NPCs, including the ones featured prominently in major quests, aren't very interesting at all...paper-thin, devoid of soul or anything remotely intriguing about their personalities. There are some exceptions, but not many. Marriage in the game is a good example of this. Marriage is an absolute joke. The romantic interests for the main character, for the most part, don't have much going on for them and they'll end up wanting to marry you as soon as you meet them. As an example, there's a female love interest in the game who can marry once you've completed a task for her. The task is to bring her a mammoth tusk. So, you bring her a mammoth tusk...and then, if you have a special item that advertises you as single, she'll be completely open to marry. There is no build-up to this...there is no actual connection between the player and the character that should warrant you to want your character to marry this person. It's as dry, stale, and pointless as it gets. It feels tacked on, as if the marriage content is a result of a poorly made mod than something that should actually be included in the game. Most games that have marriage options such as this have ways of developing the love interests well...to make the player feel emotionally attached enough to actually care about what happens to them. Skyrim is completely incapable of making the player care about anything that happens to anyone during the course of the game.

GAMEPLAY - 3/10

This is where the game takes a life-changing tumble down the stairs. To make things run a little smoother, I'll divide all important aspects of the gameplay up into easier-to-read chunks.

COMBAT

The combat is bad. Very bad. Remember the combat from Oblivion? That's the combat in Skyrim. The combat in Elder Scrolls games has always been a major drawback and I find it incredible that the developers haven't done very much to make it any better. Fighting in Skyrim is incredibly simplistic. There isn't much room for advancement because there's not much you can (or should) do in battle. The vast majority of the enemies in the game are human-based (skeletons, ghosts, bandits, draugrs, etc.) with a few examples of local fauna and, of course, dragons. Regardless of the enemy's appearance, each one of them is fought in the same exact way. Enemy variety is only an illusion, extending only to their physical appearances. There's no variation. You'll be using the same techniques for every single fight you come across. Let's say you want to use Magic? Switch between fire and ice attacks, spamming them while moving back. That's all. Melee attacker? Run close and use your strongest attacks until the enemy dies. Once you run out of stamina for your power attacks, just use your fast attacks until your stamina builds back up. There's no real incentive to use fast attacks over strong ones unless you lack the stamina to perform those big, crushing wind-ups. There is no balance between the attacks and no moment when you will have to consciously choose between them to make the best out of a situation. For a game intended to be an action-RPG, the combat is one of its biggest flaws.

THE OVERWORLD

Well, it's big and pretty alright...but that's where the good part ends. The map is huge but anything of interest is far and few between. Most of the time you'll just be going from point A to point B with enemy encounters sprinkled in between (though you can just run away). There's a lot of walking...a lot of the same enemies you've already fought (though, even if they were new, it wouldn't matter. You'd be fighting them in the exact same way). While it's candy for the eyes, you'll eventually grow bored of it and just start fast-traveling everywhere (which almost defeats the purpose of having such a huge world to trek around in). The world of Skyrim, for the most part, is tedious.

DUNGEONS

So, you have this enormous map to explore, and you'll occasionally find a dungeon to plow through. It's a major part of this game's genre...finding secrets, loot, and plowing through dank, dripping tombs. Unfortunately, once you've seen one dungeon, you've seen them all. The layouts aren't very different, and there aren't many challenges other than picking apart the same enemy you've already killed countless times. The rewards typically aren't worth it, the chests filled with primarily junk and maybe a few pieces of gold for your effort. They change the textures of the dungeons and that's it.

CHARACTER CUSTOMIZATION

It's been simplified from Oblivion...in some ways, this is good. It allows players to customize their characters through how they play rather than through some uninformed decision you make at the beginning of the game. You choose your gender, choose your race, and...there ya go. All of your abilities level up through how much you actually make use of them, so character customization is pretty much automatic. You can spend your skill points on perks, but most of them are perks that raise your abilities by percentages, making your armor 40% more effective or something like that.. While useful, it comes off as bland and underwhelming. There are several perks that actually add new game mechanics, which I enjoy, but there aren't many of them.

QUESTS

There's a massive amount of quest content in Skyrim. While the 'main' quest only lasts a few hours, there's enough extra content to keep interested players going at it for a long, long time. Most of the quests, though, are not very good. Guild quests suffer from extremely poor pacing. You'll be going from doing menial tasks to being the destiny-chosen God-King of the organization in just a couple of hours or so. While the game seems built for the option for players to play out the role of their very own character, there isn't very much room for choices. Most quests in the game only have one outcome, with little importance placed upon personal choice. There are a few quests to be found that are genuinely engaging, but an overwhelming majority of the game's quest content is poorly paced, poorly designed, poorly written, or riddled with obnoxious glitches. Example: there's a quest in Windhelm that prompts the player to catch a serial killer. At one point, I had to follow a trail of blood...though, the trail of blood is more a series of gigantic red splotches arranged in order. I followed the oddly distributed blotches to a location in which I found a flier that suggested I talk to an NPC. Despite the fact that those fliers had been posted around the city with the same message, I was not allowed to talk to her about the killer unless I actually had the flier in my inventory. This makes no sense, and it took me a while to figure out why she wasn't giving me the time of die. So, I go back to the location with the fliers, manually put them in my inventory, and then go back. Now, based on the evidence I have, she tells me who she thinks did it. I accuse the guy, he gets arrested, quest is apparently over. For kicks, I go to the dungeon and talk to the guy that I just had arrested. He doesn't say anything about the fact that he's in jail. He doesn't acknowledge that he's in jail in any way at all. The only dialogue option with him is that he teaches Destruction Magic for a fee and is still somehow able to accept gold from me despite being imprisoned for murder. Days later, I return to the city to see that the killer has struck again and I messed up by imprisoning the wrong guy. So, I'm told to wait for the real killer in a specific part of the city at night. I patrolled the location night after night with nothing to show for it until eventually the killer popped up for no reason. He didn't kill anyone or seem to try to kill anyone...the quest simply updated suddenly and I found myself chasing the big white quest arrow above the killer's head. I then killed him and the quest was over. This quest is an example of everything wrong with the quests in Skyrim. It's notoriously glitched, it's poorly paced, there are objectives that make no sense, and all the characters you interact with behave in ways that are totally nonsensical and break immersion completely. It isn't just glitches that are to blame...it's bad design in general. There are apparently even problems with the quest that I didn't even encounter, such as being able to sneak into the real killer's home and find evidence of his crimes, but being able to do nothing about it until you go through the quest as you normally would. It's quantity over quality at its most obvious.

CHARACTER AI

The AI in Skyrim is as stupid as it's ever been. You can place baskets over the heads of NPCs and rob them blind. They'll ignore dead bodies and not react to them...or react to them briefly, but then continue on their way and do the same thing in reaction to the same dead body when they come back. It's on the level of the AI that was existent in Oblivion and they've done seemingly nothing to change that. In a game that is supposedly built on immersion, this comes off as incredibly lazy.

GLITCHES

This doesn't even need to be elaborated on. The game is so glitch-heavy that I'm surprised it's sold as a finished product. Bethesda's quality assurance is extremely sloppy. While there are many small glitches, there are also many game-breaking glitches that prevent me from accessing portions of the game I should be able to play through. Skyrim feels incomplete thanks in part to these.

DIFFICULTY

Level scaling exists in the game. That means that when you level up, all of the enemies in the game level up. While this seems like it would make the game more challenging, it doesn't do much beyond making the act of leveling up be less satisfying than it should be. The experience system is incredibly broken. The only way to not feel like you aren't leveling and gaining skills too frequently is to completely avoid the alchemy, smithing, and enchanting trees entirely. The system is so easily exploited it that it's possible to exploit it without even meaning to. Overall, the game is disappointingly easy. There's no point where any player should feel legitimately challenged by anything, what with the samey combat and all. You can save at any time you like, and the game autosaves frequently unless you tell it not to...something that removes any and all consequences for any of your actions. The difficulty settings don't change much and the game ends up being an absolute breeze on any difficulty. The difficulty settings only make the game harder on a completely superficial level. All it does is give enemies more HP. This doesn't make the game more difficult...only more tedious. You're still fighting the same enemy in the same exact way, but takes you a few more whacks to get them to stay down.

CONCLUSION

Playing through Oblivion felt like chewing on a piece of cardboard. Sure, there was a lot of it and it took a long time to finish the whole thing, but the actual experience of shoving every dry, chewy piece past your gums was a long, boring chore. Playing through Skyrim feels like chewing on a piece of cardboard smothered in frosting. That's all that I feel Skyrim is. It's Oblivion with a fresh coat of paint. It looks better and it sounds better, but they've kept everything else intact. It's as if Bethesda consciously decided to not address any of the notable flaws found in Oblivion just to see if they could get by with making a game that looks pretty. The AI is still bad, the combat is still bad, the characters and writing as bland as can be, the dungeons are ridiculously repetitive, the quests are poorly paced, and the entire game suffers from more glitches than should be acceptable for a fully finished game. All of these flaws combine into one great, big cloud that floats over the player's head and destroy any possible immersion. Overall, Skyrim amounts to little more than a needlessly grandiose spectacle built for the casual player in mind. In my opinion, not worth the time.

[ashwind]

Have not played any other Bethesda games, but Skyrim may have the best Archery system seen in any game in my experience. I look forward to using it again in SkyWind, if and when that mod is released.

 

I really dont have high hopes of a complete Skywind because Bethesda is quite the arse when it comes to such mods:

 

Matt Grandstaff wrote:

Essentially, we let folks mod our games like Morrowind or Oblivion, but we don’t allow for folks to take content from another game and put it into a new game – even if they own both copies, and even if it's one of our own games.

 

   Yip, they took down Morroblivion. 

 

Personally I find no better archery experience than Zelda games. Shoot the darn boss before it crush you! Attack it before it recovers from the arrow and umm dont miss too many times because when you run out of arrows and you are done for.   Yeah, Zelda does not have a "system" - it is only your aim versus the boss - archery at its basic and its best 

 

Archery in Skyrim is.... boring. I only use it to collect soul gems for gold and xp exploits

[Elhanan]

I really dont have high hopes of a complete Skywind because Bethesda is quite the arse when it comes to such mods:
 
Matt Grandstaff wrote:
Essentially, we let folks mod our games like Morrowind or Oblivion, but we don’t allow for folks to take content from another game and put it into a new game – even if they own both copies, and even if it's one of our own games.
 
   Yip, they took down Morroblivion. 
 
Personally I find no better archery experience than Zelda games. Shoot the darn boss before it crush you! Attack it before it recovers from the arrow and umm dont miss too many times because when you run out of arrows and you are done for.   Yeah, Zelda does not have a "system" - it is only your aim versus the boss - archery at its basic and its best 
 
Archery in Skyrim is.... boring. I only use it to collect soul gems for gold and xp exploits

Read about MO, but SkyWind is consistently being mentioned on the news in Steam, as well as some major gaming publications. I have more hope for it; simply wish it would be sooner rather than later.

And have never played Zelda, Thief, and some other Action titles; primarily remain with RPG's.

[straykat]

I think Thief still gets a lot of love from RPG fans. You might like it. The same dude also made good RPGs (like some Ultimas and the original Deus Ex). Like Deus Ex, it's a bit dated... but still.

[FKA_Servo]

I think Thief still gets a lot of love from RPG fans. You might like it. The same dude also made good RPGs (like some Ultimas and the original Deus Ex). Like Deus Ex, it's a bit dated... but still.

 

I'm certain that it has zero cred among the original Thief die hards, but the Shalebridge Cradle mission in Deadly Shadows is still one of the most desperately terrifying gaming experiences I've ever had. In fact, I'm not even sure I made it past that one.

[straykat]

I'm certain that it has zero cred among the original Thief die hards, but the Shalebridge Cradle mission in Deadly Shadows is still one of the most desperately terrifying gaming experiences I've ever had. In fact, I'm not even sure I made it past that one.

 

I love Deadly Shadows too. I don't know why some knock it.

 

It's the brand new one that I can't get into.

[FKA_Servo]

 

I really dont have high hopes of a complete Skywind because Bethesda is quite the arse when it comes to such mods:

 

Matt Grandstaff wrote:

Essentially, we let folks mod our games like Morrowind or Oblivion, but we don’t allow for folks to take content from another game and put it into a new game – even if they own both copies, and even if it's one of our own games.

 

   Yip, they took down Morroblivion. 

 

Personally I find no better archery experience than Zelda games. Shoot the darn boss before it crush you! Attack it before it recovers from the arrow and umm dont miss too many times because when you run out of arrows and you are done for.   Yeah, Zelda does not have a "system" - it is only your aim versus the boss - archery at its basic and its best 

 

Archery in Skyrim is.... boring. I only use it to collect soul gems for gold and xp exploits

 

 

Well, if you're Z targeting, then Zelda archery is pretty brain dead. I like Skyrim's - although, like nearly every aspect of the game, it can stand to get smoothed a little bit by various mods.

 

I think in the case of Skywind, one of the reasons it's taking so friggin long is that they're building new custom art assets to get around that, right?

[Eelectrica]

I love Deadly Shadows too. I don't know why some knock it.

 

It's the brand new one that I can't get into.

I love the first two, but I can't get into Deadly Shadows. I've tried a few times to get into it, but I just can't. To me it just doesn't feel like Thief. I Won't even look at 4.

I recently downloaded some mods so as T3:DS works on modern systems, and wide screen monitors so I'll try to give it one final go at some point.

[Teddie Sage]

I got the game yesterday, reached that part of the story with the Baron and the Family Matters questline. All I can say is that the controls are terrible and selecting some of the highlighted items everywhere is annoying as hell. The storytelling is good, the characters are well fleshed out but like Dragon Age Inquisition, the sidequests and most of the NPCs are just boring and could be slapped with a baseball bat because they are always getting in my way. Playing on the second difficulty (normal), it's a bit of a challenge since healing is so rare in that game and getting crowns in TW3 ain't that easy unless you farm at very specific places. I manage to get by with the items I forge but always feel like I don't get enough EXP for all the stuff I'm doing around the map. I feel like Dragon Age Inquisition is more balanced in terms of rewarding people with EXP and customization right from the bat. TW3 on the other hand wants you to take your time. Rushing through it is a terrible idea. I'm still learning how to make a decent character, without looking on other builds online. It's tricky. I enjoy the experience, but I would never say BioWare to copy and paste from this game. Both franchises should have separate experiences. 

[Wolven_Soul]

I can't believe I am saying this, but I agree with you.

 

Weird things happen, but I do to.  Though, Horizon: Zero Dawn might very well trump Skyrim's archery.  Might.  Have only seen a little of it, but what I have seen has been pretty danged sweet.