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[Xetykins]

Bethesda knows how hyped people are for this game, and an embargo on release date is not going to go well specially when ps4 players can already access it 2 weeks before. They should just let the proffessional reviewers have at it a week before release. Now they are going to contend with hardcore fans reviews who are disappointed about something. And you know there is no harsher critique than those.

They should have done it like dai and tw3.

[slimgrin]

An embargo on release date can sometimes mean the developer isn't confident in their game. 

[Akrabra]

An embargo on release date can sometimes mean the developer isn't confident in their game. 

It can be that and a number of other things. Its not unusal to though, but i can't remember if Bethesda has ever done it before. After all i didn't really pay attention around the release of Skyrim or any of the previous games.

[straykat]

100% agree with that.  Mainstream reviewers are just worthless nowadays.  Not just for the fact that they don't dig in deep enough as you mentioned, but their relationships with developer's are often to close.  Mainstream media and developers have been two tightly bound entities for quite some time.  I have a few Youtubers that I watch and trust quite a bit, people who honestly believe in being advocates for the consumers.

 

They're all unapologetic too. Like in a naive way, often with a "What's the big deal?" type of response. Both the devs and the reviewers. Nothing will change. That what I discovered in the past year or two.

[Wolven_Soul]

Bethesda knows how hyped people are for this game, and an embargo on release date is not going to go well specially when ps4 players can already access it 2 weeks before. They should just let the proffessional reviewers have at it a week before release. Now they are going to contend with hardcore fans reviews who are disappointed about something. And you know there is no harsher critique than those.

They should have done it like dai and tw3.

 

Embargos on release dates are never a good sign.  Especially when in the past Bethesda released a ton of gameplay footage for Skyrim.  Games that are confidant always do so.  That we have barely seen any for FO4 worries me...a lot.

[Wolven_Soul]

They're all unapologetic too. Like in a naive way, often with a "What's the big deal?" type of response. Both the devs and the reviewers. Nothing will change. That what I discovered in the past year or two.

 

Oh but it is changing.  Little by little.  Not that the mainstream media is getting better, not that.  But more and more people are going to Youtubers and other independent reviewers.

 

The 'professional reviewers' are dying.  It's a slow death, but a death all the same.  

[Lawrence0294]

New information on the movie:

Spoiler

It will be Hollywood style - not colourful as Tolkiens

Budget is around 20-30 millions

Plot comes from the short stories: "Lesser Evil" and "The Witcher"

The script is done

Main actors are not revealed and possibly not chosen

They want to shoot in Eastern Europe

No title yet

2017 is the possible release date

They've been planning this for a while, around 4 years

 

https://www.reddit.c...bout_the_movie/

[straykat]

New information on the movie:

Spoiler

It will be Hollywood style - not colourful as Tolkiens

Budget is around 20-30 millions

Plot comes from the short stories: "Lesser Evil" and "The Witcher"

The script is done

Main actors are not revealed and possibly not chosen

They want to shoot in Eastern Europe

No title yet

2017 is the possible release date

They've been planning this for a while, around 4 years

 

https://www.reddit.c...bout_the_movie/

 

20-30 mill isn't much for a fantasy story, unfortunately.

[FKA_Servo]

It can be that and a number of other things. Its not unusal to though, but i can't remember if Bethesda has ever done it before. After all i didn't really pay attention around the release of Skyrim or any of the previous games.

 

I prefer optimism. Possibly they're just keeping their cards extremely close, considering they didn't even announce it till June. I haven't looked at any of the spoiler videos, myself, so we'll see what happens. Honestly, I'm far quicker to suspect certain s**t-lording gamers of being "agenda" driven than the gaming press per se, and it wouldn't surprise me if those less than stellar early vids are deliberately misleading to make some sort of point.

 

I think the paranoia about professional reviewers in general is a little bit tinfoil hat though. They're not more or less trustworthy than any hobbyist press has ever been. Although finding a few that align with your tastes and sticking with them is obviously a good idea any day of the week.

[Teddie Sage]

Encountered my fifth crash on The Witcher 3 tonight. Doing the questline to find Dandelion, just met the female bard Priscilla and taking a break for tonight. Reached level 16 on 70, I think there's still a lot to do in this game. If only it ran better on my PS4... I suspect it has something to do with the faulty patching CD Projekt has been doing in for the past two patches. Apparently a lot of people experience the same bugs as I do on consoles.

 

[FKA_Servo]

Encountered my fifth crash on The Witcher 3 tonight. Doing the questline to find Dandelion, just met the female bard Priscilla and taking a break for tonight. Reached level 16 on 70, I think there's still a lot to do in this game. If only it ran better on my PS4... I suspect it has something to do with the faulty patching CD Projekt has been doing in for the past two patches. Apparently a lot of people experience the same bugs as I do on consoles.

Well, I hope you're enjoying yourself in spite of it.

1.10 was definitely a lemon on PC. I went from zero crashes over the course of a couple of months to several in a few hours. I managed to fix it, but the fix definitely isn't applicable to PS4. Hopefully they'll address the instabilities soon.

[Wolven_Soul]

I prefer optimism. Possibly they're just keeping their cards extremely close, considering they didn't even announce it till June. I haven't looked at any of the spoiler videos, myself, so we'll see what happens. Honestly, I'm far quicker to suspect certain s**t-lording gamers of being "agenda" driven than the gaming press per se, and it wouldn't surprise me if those less than stellar early vids are deliberately misleading to make some sort of point.

 

I think the paranoia about professional reviewers in general is a little bit tinfoil hat though. They're not more or less trustworthy than any hobbyist press has ever been. Although finding a few that align with your tastes and sticking with them is obviously a good idea any day of the week.

 

I've seen professional reviewers give out best shooter of the year one year to Bioshock: Infinite, which had a great story but lousy shooting mechanics.  The next year the same publication gave the same award to Destiny, which had rock solid shooting mechanics but a terrible story.  So they can't even get their standards straight.  

 

Also, so many professional reviewers gave Mass Effect 3 10/10.  Even if the ending had been much better than it was, that game doesn't deserve that kind of a score.  And certainly DA:I didn't deserve all the 9's and 10's that it got from professional reviewers with the myriad of flaws that it has.  As much as I love TW3 it certainly isn't a 10/10 either, but it got a bunch of those as well.  

 

I don't think the distrust in professional reviewers is paranoid at all, it is perfectly founded.  Especially when taking into account things like the little coalition involving traditional media people from different outlets that were trying to control the flow of conversation about a certain event.  Definitely not gonna mention that event here, but that it brought this particular group into the light was a good thing.

 

So yeah, I definitely don't trust traditional games media at all.  I have my few Youtubers whose opinion I trust, people who actually care about being consumer advocates. 

[KBomb]

Encountered my fifth crash on The Witcher 3 tonight. Doing the questline to find Dandelion, just met the female bard Priscilla and taking a break for tonight. Reached level 16 on 70, I think there's still a lot to do in this game. If only it ran better on my PS4... I suspect it has something to do with the faulty patching CD Projekt has been doing in for the past two patches. Apparently a lot of people experience the same bugs as I do on consoles.

Have you reported it on their forums?

I had a lot of issues on Xbox One with 1.10, but 1.11 fixed them. Sorry you're dealing with this. I know how frustrating it can be, I still have terrible bugs last time I played DAI. You should post on their forums, they're pretty active there. Good luck.

[ashwind]

Thats why golden joystick is the only GOTY really counts. Players' votes are crucial.

 

All true but we must also remember that Fallout 4 is not a contender this year. It will be competing for the GOTY award in 2016. Bethesda has a year to fix the game and I am sure there will be plenty of mods around when it is time to vote for Golden Joystick GOTY 2016. I am not counting them out yet because usually mods make Bethesda game better than what they release the game for

 

But to be honest, I am not that impressed with what I see thus far. The atmosphere, the graphics, the music.... somehow it made me want to go play Bioshock... could be the music... think I will do just that. Play Bioshock later.

[panzerwzh]

All true but we must also remember that Fallout 4 is not a contender this year. It will be competing for the GOTY award in 2016. Bethesda has a year to fix the game and I am sure there will be plenty of mods around when it is time to vote for Golden Joystick GOTY 2016. I am not counting them out yet because usually mods make Bethesda game better than what they release the game for

 

But to be honest, I am not that impressed with what I see thus far. The atmosphere, the graphics, the music.... somehow it made me want to go play Bioshock... could be the music... think I will do just that. Play Bioshock later.

It is more like the modding community has a year to fix the game really.

 

As for the atmosphere, NV is the last fallout for me.

Bethesda never has what it takes to make a true fallout game, and never will. So they should focusing on doing what they do best----making elder scroll shooters with fallout theme.

[FKA_Servo]

I've seen professional reviewers give out best shooter of the year one year to Bioshock: Infinite, which had a great story but lousy shooting mechanics.  The next year the same publication gave the same award to Destiny, which had rock solid shooting mechanics but a terrible story.  So they can't even get their standards straight.  

 

Also, so many professional reviewers gave Mass Effect 3 10/10.  Even if the ending had been much better than it was, that game doesn't deserve that kind of a score.  And certainly DA:I didn't deserve all the 9's and 10's that it got from professional reviewers with the myriad of flaws that it has.  As much as I love TW3 it certainly isn't a 10/10 either, but it got a bunch of those as well.  

 

I don't think the distrust in professional reviewers is paranoid at all, it is perfectly founded.  Especially when taking into account things like the little coalition involving traditional media people from different outlets that were trying to control the flow of conversation about a certain event.  Definitely not gonna mention that event here, but that it brought this particular group into the light was a good thing.

 

So yeah, I definitely don't trust traditional games media at all.  I have my few Youtubers whose opinion I trust, people who actually care about being consumer advocates. 

 

Was it the same reviewer, though? If not, then possibly they evaluated the games using different criteria. At the end of the day, no review can (or should) claim objectivity. They're giving you their opinion.

 

In any case, that all seems pretty subjective to me, especially these days. What constitutes a 10/10? A bug free, rock solid game? A flawlessly executed narrative? Novel, inventive gameplay mechanics? If that's the case, you'd probably have to settle for smaller, less ambitious games, because something like TW3 couldn't possibly exist without a healthy smattering of issues. It's all just too big. Personally, excepting Destiny which I've never played, I think all the games you list deserve the very high scores they generally received, while acknowledging that there are some things there that may be deal breakers for different players. If anything, I think one of the biggest issues at play is how reductive and potentially misleading a numbered scale can be. As far as review formats go, I think (for example) Kotaku's is pretty good in that regard.

 

I'm genuinely not sure what event you're referring to specifically, but I sincerely hope it's not a certain "ethics" movement that also happens to be the peak of human idiocy. All that being said - the best thing these days with youtube etc is that there is such a wealth of different viewpoints that you're bound to find someone to speak to your particular concerns. I'm glad you have a few that you can trust, and I'd actually appreciate if you shared them. I don't follow anyone, really.

[ashwind]

The Golden Joystick doesn't work, as i said in my review post here. It again follows the mainstream opinion, and for RPG's that is not a good thing. RPG is for a niche market, and it needs to have experienced reviewers and analyzers checking out the game and really finding its worth. This years golden boy game is  TW3, and there is nothing wrong with that, but 90% of the people that bought the game didn't play TW or TW2 and have no interest in the lore or anything. But there are players in this very thread that is an exception to that rule, and i am glad of it. But if i talk to someone at school about The Witcher, they are talking about violence and boobs, and thats pretty much it. 

 

That is why the award is Ultimate Game of the Year and not Ultimate RPG of the year. It does follow mainstream players opinion but that does not mean that normal players are less capable of judging a game that experience reviewers. To me the only difference between an experience reviewer and a normal player is that the former is (should be) much better at putting their opinion down on paper.

 

Call of Duty series use to receive great review scores and sell millions but they have not won any Ultimate GOTY award. Games that do not sell as many like Mass Effect 2 did win Golden Joystick Ultimate GOTY.

 

To me, Golden Joystick Ultimate GOTY means - the best game of any genre. A game that impresses and motivate normal players to get off their lazy behind and take the effort to actually go vote for it. Tis like a food tasting contest. The Master Chef will examine the ingredients and blah blah of a dish and scrutinize them for not using this spice and that ingredient but often these "professional" are so busy analyzing that they are no longer capable of enjoying/experiencing the dish like a normal person and hence their opinion is... irrelevant and inaccurate.

 

Experience/Professional reviewer or not, their opinion carries the same weight as you and I - 1 vote.

 

p/s: Between Bethesda and Rockstar, they have pretty much dominated the Golden Joystick Award in the 21st century. Therefore RPG in general is not really that niche a market. It just happens that more players like the freedom in openworld snadbox rpgs.

 

(I know the "RPG" traditionalist/purist will not agree with me classifying TES/Fallout/GTA as "RPG".... but that is how I see it.)

[ashwind]

It is more like the modding community has a year to fix the game really.

 

 

True.   I pity those who buy Bethesda game on console. 

[KBomb]

True. I pity those who buy Bethesda game on console.

Don't pity me. I do just fine.

[Akrabra]

True.   I pity those who buy Bethesda game on console. 

I am not sure what people mean by fix the game with mods. I have played Skyrim vanilla for hundreds of hours, what needs fixing? Works fine for me and i like it. I think rather since mods are there people try to imagine the game is broken so that they can fix it with mods. Look at Dragon Age Origins it still has a problem with memory leak because the engine is poorly optimized, and it only had 5 patches in its lifetime and it is still not fixed. Not every game get the patch treatment we see nowadays.

 

I am rather more interested in how well Bethesda will be patching and listening to feedback, seeing how CDRP has done a very good job with it so far for TW3. And well this time around console owners will get access to mods, which probably will contain stuff like unofficial patches etc. 

[ashwind]

I am not sure what people mean by fix the game with mods. I have played Skyrim vanilla for hundreds of hours, what needs fixing? Works fine for me and i like it. I think rather since mods are there people try to imagine the game is broken so that they can fix it with mods. Look at Dragon Age Origins it still has a problem with memory leak because the engine is poorly optimized, and it only had 5 patches in its lifetime and it is still not fixed. Not every game get the patch treatment we see nowadays.

 

I am rather more interested in how well Bethesda will be patching and listening to feedback, seeing how CDRP has done a very good job with it so far for TW3. And well this time around console owners will get access to mods, which probably will contain stuff like unofficial patches etc. 

 

Things like memory leak bugs I am sure Bethesda will about fixing them but the minor bugs that plagues the quests usually dont get fix.

 

For example - I needed this to progress the main quest. Regain Winterhold Bugfix http://www.nexusmods...im/mods/13315/?

 

Yes, it does not happen to everyone if they follow a certain sequence of events but to many of us, we are simply stuck in the middle of that quest and cannot proceed. As far as I know, Bethesda never got around fixing this bug.

 

Also, I have to install Morrowind Code Patch http://www.nexusmods...nd/mods/19510/?  because my level up attribute bonus is messed up!

 

Bethesda never got around fixing the many bugs reported. Again, not everyone encounters or even notice these bugs - depends on how you progress but once one of these bugs bite you, what are you going to do?

 

1. Live with it! Know that you are stuck in the middle of some quest you will never complete and/or know that you cant level up normally.

 

2. Rage on Bethesda forums - they will ignore you without a word. Give up and reload a save game that is from 3 days ago.

 

3. Turn to community mods or make your own mod to fix it (if you can find the cause after reading the trillion lines of script to figure out what the problem is)

 

This has nothing to do with CDPR or Bioware. I have been playing TES since Daggerfall and saying that it is not plagued with annoying bugs is unrealistic. Bethesda is famous/infamous for this.

[Xetykins]

Don't forget that when Skyrim and the last FO came out there was no one else out there doing it, so people are more accepting with eating what wad dished out. Now we got DAI and TW3 and MGS and the bar just went sky high.

Also for FO4 it may look buggy now but do not forget there is a humongous day 1 patch apparently. That would probably fix fps and graphical problems that we see in leaks. So have faith, Akrabra

[Hazegurl]

I just finished HoS. Couldn't have timed it better.  And I have to say omfg that entire expansion was freaking amazing.  No spoilers.  But this is how an antagonist should be written.  Clever, charming, likeable, and frightening.  Everything the Wild Hunt and Cory wasn't, unfortunately.  It makes we wish even more that CDPR had ditched the Wild Hunt and Ciri story and just continued to use the world to create their own stories.

 

And Shani was actually likable this time around. lol!

[Akrabra]

Don't forget that when Skyrim and the last FO came out there was no one else out there doing it, so people are more accepting with eating what wad dished out. Now we got DAI and TW3 and MGS and the bar just went sky high.

Also for FO4 it may look buggy now but do not forget there is a humongous day 1 patch apparently. That would probably fix fps and graphical problems that we see in leaks. So have faith, Akrabra

I just watched some random gameplay of it on Twitch so my worries are gone. I like everything i've seen so far. But i love Bethesda games, i can play them for thousands of hours. My mind and body is ready, 16 hours and 25 minutes and i will be playing it.

[panzerwzh]

The modding community is coming! They will save the day.

http://www.forbes.co...eady-available/