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I always liked Gwent, but i don't think it would work as anything else than a mini-game for TW3. It has the same problem as the gameplay actually. At the start of the game matches are brutal, hard to win, you have to think. And then you get like 5 hero cards and the fun is gone. I will say this though, its the only mini-game i ever spent any time on and did all the quest related stuff aswell. Wonder if they could rebalance it abit and release it like a standalone card game along the lines with HS. 

Yeah I have just finished up Novigrad and am about to head to Skelliege, and have done as many of the sidequests as I can at level 20 (there are two contracts which are for level 30+ I can't tackle). So my Gwent deck is pretty good, I've already completed the high stakes tournament game. Being the completionist I am, I realized I had skipped buying/winning some cards from the small Velen town merchants, so I went back to collect before moving on to Skellige. It's such a power trip to play these poor schmucks with my uber powered hero decks. I keep playing all of my cards because I enjoy seeing the final score as 31 to my 149 etc. :devil:

 

For me if they just added a ton of cards and had some tweaks and turns maybe a mini game thingy, not Hearthstone level. A lot of the illustrations on the cards in particular were very pretty and cool, just as a collecting thing could be motivating for people.

 

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You could imagine something similar for a DA card game or something (based on a Canadian Quebecian... something? Maybe? I don't know lol...) Cassandra with her seeker art and whatnot.

It's funny, because DAI used the tarot card theme well in its graphics, so I think it would be fairly easy to craft a game based on them. That would be fun, I'd play it. Actually playing Wicked Grace?


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This is my favourite Metacritic user review of Fallout 4 - Only rating it 0 because people on /v/ told me so. I have honestly never ever played the game but I'm rating it that way so the game maybe won't win the GOTY award, which it will anyway, but a man can dream.[/size]

The game has a userscore of 5.9 on Metacritics, but all the negative reviews are just trolling by people who don't want it to win Goty or wish it was Obsidian that made Fallout. I can understand them not wanting to like it, but what do they gain from beeing so negative all the time.

Every game on metacritic has those. God knows there's tons of them for W3 too. My favorite one was.giving it 0 because he had old pc haha. Very annoying. The worse are the 0s for DAO because of graphics :/

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This is my favourite Metacritic user review of Fallout 4 - Only rating it 0 because people on /v/ told me so. I have honestly never ever played the game but I'm rating it that way so the game maybe won't win the GOTY award, which it will anyway, but a man can dream.

 

The game has a userscore of 5.9 on Metacritics, but all the negative reviews are just trolling by people who don't want it to win Goty or wish it was Obsidian that made Fallout. I can understand them not wanting to like it, but what do they gain from beeing so negative all the time.

 

That's just stupid.  People who do that are just petty.

 

But holy crap!  I am watching Game Informer's livestream footage, and I am totally giving my first character the Joker smile!   :D



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Please, can we not turn this into a PC vs. Console thing?

 

:mellow: It is not about console vs pc. Tis not about 30fps or 60fps, I am not against consoles although I will admit I own mainly Nintendo consoles/handhelds. Tis about value, people simply get more value out of mod heavy games TES/Fallout on PC.



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Every game on metacritic has those. God knows there's tons of them for W3 too. My favorite one was.giving it 0 because he had old pc haha. Very annoying. The worse are the 0s for DAO because of graphics :/

 

True... Metacritic is somewhat of a troll's den. What is amusing is that these people really think that down voting a game in Metacritic can affect its chance of winning awards.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:



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Okay, so I feel I have now progressed far enough into TW3 to write some informative opinions on the game so far. I have just finished all of the Novigrad quests, have done all of the sidequests I've found (slightly annoyed that I found that soldier statue in Zoltan's quest loooong after Triss had left. Why couldn't the game not generate her final quest until the end of the main Novigrad quest line?!). I'm only level 20, so I'm wondering how I'm going to get that level 35 trophy, hoping Skellige isn't full of impossible fights.

 

First off, I've been reading through this thread off and on, certainly not all 481 pages of it. But have found the conversation interesting and have found some articles about the game that I've liked. To repost, since they've probably been lost to the mists of forum obscurity, I found this article very interesting to read: http://kotaku.com/th...er-3-1711003491

 

I really enjoyed one of the poster's comments, which I can get behind :lol: :

 

The Witcher 3 is a guy who has his heart in the right place and while he respects women he can’t quite shed some patriarchal instincts and behaviors. It’s like a dad who respects women and teaches his daughter to fix motorcycles and does the dishes but also can’t help trying to bully her boyfriends and tells sexist jokes with the boys at the bar.

DA:I is the over-earnest liberal arts male student who really heavily identifies as feminist, talks about appropriation and privilege and “problematic” but also can’t understand why the women in his book club won’t sleep with him and maybe has like a weird Asian fetish.

 

I agree with this, as Bioware can try too hard to be as socially progressive as possible, even though I still prefer playing those types of games to the gritty, grim realities of the world like TW3. I am one of those who didn't care for Dorian's personal quest as it did feel after school special to me despite Gaider's defense of it. It seems ironic that in the DA world, Tevinter is the only nation which has strong opinions on same sex relationships, so our first ever male homosexual companion is from that nation, and his personal quest revolves around his sexuality. Bioware either needs to stick with the socially progressive stance of "see? being queer and trans is cool in this world! the real world should take a note from this!" or address real world politics by having more prevalent conflict amongst minorities and the disenfranchised that we confront in the game, to have a stronger metaphor to current political and social issues.

 

Right now, they're cherry picking and saying everything's fine and dandy, except for Dorian whom we'll use as a soapbox for acceptance! Why couldn't Dorian be gay but his personal quest be about anything other than his sexuality, to show that gay people have more going on in their lives than who they sleep with? That would be more revolutionary to me than having the first male gay NPC but make his quest about his sexuality. And I'm saying this as a gay man. (Not that it makes my opinion better or more informed, just to provide context of where I'm coming from on this issue)

 

So yeah, I think TW3 does venture too deep into murder porn and juvenile wish fulfillment and humor as pertains to women, and I dislike that about the game. But at least the majority of the game doesn't focus too much on this, and sticks to one tone on its social and political issues. Life is crappy, people- especially the poor and unfortunately women- have it worse off than most. We as Geralt can be a protector of those we encounter, but our actions aren't going to change the world or advance human rights by decades. It's grim but it's realistic.

 

 

In terms of morality, I did enjoy the Bloody Baron quest, and think it's a good demonstration of grey morality without a "good" option/outcome and an "evil" one. Of course, I'm sure the developers knew what they were doing and probably wrote the most morally intricate plot toward the beginning of the game to ensure that the most number of players accessed it. I was really surprised by how graphic the story got, especially actually seeing the botchling. I never thought something like that would get past censors in the States. The story was well done in that most of our interactions were with the Baron, so we got to know him as a character the best, yet we could still sympathize with the daughter and wife. I sympathized with him, too, in that he's so pathetic and sounds like he has post traumatic stress disorder along with alcoholism. Not that any of that excuses his behavior and his family was right in fleeing him, but he is still a person with real life reasons behind his actions rather than a bored Orlesian noble who is willing to let the world burn because she's been overlooked all of her life. cough.

 

 

Of course the side quests can be compared with DAI and for the most part they are more engaging. There are the treasure hunt quests which really are just fetch quests, and the majority of the contract quests involve the exact same mechanics of Witcher sense tracking, find evidence and create a potion/bomb/oil to deal with the monster, dispatch and return for reward. Some of the contracts were more interesting than others, with a few options in how to proceed (kill the doppler or let him flee, same with the succubus) which helps to characterize Geralt as a person (merciful or mercenary?). And I liked that the contracts were really just elaborate methods of introducing us to the rarer monsters of The Witcher's world, rather than just encountering them in the field.

 

This is something I wish DAI had done more of; I can only think of the envy demon as a unique monster which is plot relevant, most others are just rift spawns or random monsters in the zones. I wanted more demons as threats to social order than cannon fodder. I wanted a despair demon to take over a town caught in the civil war and cause a rash of suicides due to the hopelessness of the situation (this makes me sound like a bad person) and we have to investigate to find and banish the demon. Instead, we have ranged cold attack units. I think this is the real reason we didn't have desire demons; most of the desire demons in the first two games were involved in corrupting people and causing them to follow their basest nature (kitty, the templar who wanted a family, the one in Sebastian's quest, etc.). Why couldn't Cory have placed a desire demon in Celene's court disguised as a courtier, and have it tempt Florianne into taking the spotlight as she was never permitted to do before? This would give her some realistic motivation rather than Bond villain mustache twirling, and would show the insidious dangers demons can pose.

 

All of this being said, I still prefer Thedas to the world of The Witcher and enjoy the characters in DA more than in TW3. DAI seems more replayable as well, due to different playable classes, companions, and the main plot quest decisions. I don't think I'll want to replay TW3 soon after I complete it. I know I'm not going to buy the DLCs and have instead been watching youtube videos of HoS. I'm more invested in the DA world and want it to continue and hope to enjoy DA4 when it comes out. But TW3 definitely succeeds far better in having a story-driven game work well in an open world, and is innovative in its occasional dual PC gameplay with Ciri.

 

I'll probably write more thoughts as I get further into the game. Let me know your responses and how off base I might be with some things! ;)


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True... Metacritic is somewhat of a troll's den. What is amusing is that these people really think that down voting a game in Metacritic can affect its chance of winning awards.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 

It can, however, deny a development team a well-earned bonus.

 

As long as those guys are ruining someone's day, I think they're happy.



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It can, however, deny a development team a well-earned bonus.

 

As long as those guys are ruining someone's day, I think they're happy.

From the article, it seems the bonus was related to the Press aggregation score though, not the user score. So those trolls don't really directly affect them. But giving a game 0, because it's not your type or you just want to ****** on it, can damage it's prestige, therefore it's sales, therefore the studio....sigh

 

(though for Fallout 4 case, I doubt it will do a dent on it's sales which I'm sure will be enormous)



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It can, however, deny a development team a well-earned bonus.

 

As long as those guys are ruining someone's day, I think they're happy.

 

That is critic score though and Obsedian's contract with Bethesda... user score on the other hand. Tis just for laughs. It is common when a PC game crash due to god knows what some people run in the background of their PC, they get really pissed and just give the game a 0 score.



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In terms of morality, I did enjoy the Bloody Baron quest, and think it's a good demonstration of grey morality without a "good" option/outcome and an "evil" one. Of course, I'm sure the developers knew what they were doing and probably wrote the most morally intricate plot toward the beginning of the game to ensure that the most number of players accessed it. I was really surprised by how graphic the story got, especially actually seeing the botchling. I never thought something like that would get past censors in the States. The story was well done in that most of our interactions were with the Baron, so we got to know him as a character the best, yet we could still sympathize with the daughter and wife. I sympathized with him, too, in that he's so pathetic and sounds like he has post traumatic stress disorder along with alcoholism. Not that any of that excuses his behavior and his family was right in fleeing him, but he is still a person with real life reasons behind his actions rather than a bored Orlesian noble who is willing to let the world burn because she's been overlooked all of her life. cough.

 

 

Of course the side quests can be compared with DAI and for the most part they are more engaging. There are the treasure hunt quests which really are just fetch quests, and the majority of the contract quests involve the exact same mechanics of Witcher sense tracking, find evidence and create a potion/bomb/oil to deal with the monster, dispatch and return for reward. Some of the contracts were more interesting than others, with a few options in how to proceed (kill the doppler or let him flee, same with the succubus) which helps to characterize Geralt as a person (merciful or mercenary?). And I liked that the contracts were really just elaborate methods of introducing us to the rarer monsters of The Witcher's world, rather than just encountering them in the field.

 

This is something I wish DAI had done more of; I can only think of the envy demon as a unique monster which is plot relevant, most others are just rift spawns or random monsters in the zones. I wanted more demons as threats to social order than cannon fodder. I wanted a despair demon to take over a town caught in the civil war and cause a rash of suicides due to the hopelessness of the situation (this makes me sound like a bad person) and we have to investigate to find and banish the demon. Instead, we have ranged cold attack units. I think this is the real reason we didn't have desire demons; most of the desire demons in the first two games were involved in corrupting people and causing them to follow their basest nature (kitty, the templar who wanted a family, the one in Sebastian's quest, etc.). Why couldn't Cory have placed a desire demon in Celene's court disguised as a courtier, and have it tempt Florianne into taking the spotlight as she was never permitted to do before? This would give her some realistic motivation rather than Bond villain mustache twirling, and would show the insidious dangers demons can pose.

 

I'll probably write more thoughts as I get further into the game. Let me know your responses and how off base I might be with some things! ;)

 

If you like the Baron quest, you should really enjoy HoS. The antagonist in HoS imo is what a desire demon in DA universe should be. Cunning, intelligent and charming in a devilish way.

 

Treasure hunts are not really .... fetch quest or quest per se. They are simply caches of $$ that you can ignore. If you do read the letters and notes though, you will realize that CDPR actually put quite a bit of writing effort even in those for a lack of better term: "fetch quests" 



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If you like the Baron quest, you should really enjoy HoS. The antagonist in HoS imo is what a desire demon in DA universe should be. Cunning, intelligent and charming in a devilish way.

 

Treasure hunts are not really .... fetch quest or quest per se. They are simply caches of $$ that you can ignore. If you do read the letters and notes though, you will realize that CDPR actually put quite a bit of writing effort even in those for a lack of better term: "fetch quests" 

Yeah, I'm watching HoS online and enjoying watching it. I'm glad to watch and not play, though, and the story almost seems like it should be happening to a completely different protagonist. I mean, the story is sparked through a Witcher contract, but then sharply veers off into heists and wedding hijinks. Fun and could be fun to play but seems a very different game than the rest of TW3.

 

True that the treasure hunts aren't really fetch quests, more like more in depth weapon and armor gathering.  I will say that while crafting is not as complex in this game, in no small part due to only equipping one character with one style of gear, I find it frustrating that so much of the gear is level restricted. So I've been able to get all of this Cat School gear crafted but still have to wait for nine levels to use it? I accidentally upgraded my trousers to a higher level so Geralt was walking around in just his underwear for a while before I realized he was underleveled for the upgraded gear. :lol:



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I disagree that Bioware tried to be too socially progressive. My first Inq (ie; male Dwarven Rogue) flirted with Scout Harding as his romantic interest, and managed to become friends with Dorian although not obtaining his personal quest for some reason. And Krem's secret has yet to be revealed in any of my sessions at all, likely due to the Iron Bull being benched as a Companion.

My other Inq's have obtained Dorian's quest, and it seemed to be quite similar to the tone set in other Companion quests (eg; Cole, Solas). Be it the subject of sexuality, humanity, or spirits, all seemed to address the subjects in a mature manner; not forcing any specific perspective on the Player.

Perhaps your own perspective is why the subject matter seems to have a greater focus; mine is different, as are my conclusions.

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Yeah, I'm watching HoS online and enjoying watching it. I'm glad to watch and not play, though, and the story almost seems like it should be happening to a completely different protagonist. I mean, the story is sparked through a Witcher contract, but then sharply veers off into heists and wedding hijinks. Fun and could be fun to play but seems a very different game than the rest of TW3.

True that the treasure hunts aren't really fetch quests, more like more in depth weapon and armor gathering. I will say that while crafting is not as complex in this game, in no small part due to only equipping one character with one style of gear, I find it frustrating that so much of the gear is level restricted. So I've been able to get all of this Cat School gear crafted but still have to wait for nine levels to use it? I accidentally upgraded my trousers to a higher level so Geralt was walking around in just his underwear for a while before I realized he was underleveled for the upgraded gear. :lol:

You understand why Geralt is acting like a shmuck in HoS right ? :P

Lol yes when they changed the item lvl my Geralt was also running around in his bloomers. But the treasure hunts, just do the witcher gears. The rest is really just for dosh for HoS where you need that a LOT. Since you don't plan on getting the expansion,( I hope you will cuz it's farking maaahvlous) just don't bother with then if you find them tedious. I personally do them because lewts and stories behind what you find on some of the smuggler's cache.

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Yeah, I'm watching HoS online and enjoying watching it. I'm glad to watch and not play, though, and the story almost seems like it should be happening to a completely different protagonist. I mean, the story is sparked through a Witcher contract, but then sharply veers off into heists and wedding hijinks. Fun and could be fun to play but seems a very different game than the rest of TW3.

 

True that the treasure hunts aren't really fetch quests, more like more in depth weapon and armor gathering.  I will say that while crafting is not as complex in this game, in no small part due to only equipping one character with one style of gear, I find it frustrating that so much of the gear is level restricted. So I've been able to get all of this Cat School gear crafted but still have to wait for nine levels to use it? I accidentally upgraded my trousers to a higher level so Geralt was walking around in just his underwear for a while before I realized he was underleveled for the upgraded gear. :lol:

 

I can relate to how you feel about HoS, maybe it is because you havent completed a playthrough. For me, I rather enjoy the shift in focus because I am playing it post-game.

 

Just another contract right? What could go wrong?  :D



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Just another contract right? What could go wrong?  :D


Ummm a lot! M'deeer.

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You understand why Geralt is acting like a shmuck in HoS right ? :P

Lol yes when they changed the item lvl my Geralt was also running around in his bloomers. But the treasure hunts, just do the witcher gears. The rest is really just for dosh for HoS where you need that a LOT. Since you don't plan on getting the expansion,( I hope you will cuz it's farking maaahvlous) just don't bother with then if you find them tedious. I personally do them because lewts and stories behind what you find on some of the smuggler's cache.

You mean in the wedding quest? Because he's

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I got that, and I don't think he's acting out of character in the DLC, just that the types of quests we're doing don't fit into my idea of a Witcher's role. It kind of reminds me of Citadel, where it's fun and more lighthearted than the base game, and in no way bad, but it's a bit meta in its tonal shift. If that makes sense.

 

I've done all of the treasure hunts, I don't mind them. The witcher gear ones are the most time consuming because there are so many pieces scattered across the maps. I have been collecting the Cat School and keep accidentally upgrading my gear past my level, so have had to buy a new steel sword and trousers! :blush: :wub:

 

I can relate to how you feel about HoS, maybe it is because you havent completed a playthrough. For me, I rather enjoy the shift in focus because I am playing it post-game.

 

Just another contract right? What could go wrong?  :D

I did like how this all starts out through what we think is a simple contract. That's an inventive way of beginning this chain reaction, and then having to pay back our "magical loan" as justification to keep jumping through hoops.

 

Does the content differ a lot if you play post game rather than mid game? Does TW3 remain open after the final quest like DAI?



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Please, can we not turn this into a PC vs. Console thing?

Yes I agree get so sick of those arguments, plus not all of us live in countries where you can buy good budget computers.

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I did like how this all starts out through what we think is a simple contract. That's an inventive way of beginning this chain reaction, and then having to pay back our "magical loan" as justification to keep jumping through hoops.

 

Does the content differ a lot if you play post game rather than mid game? Does TW3 remain open after the final quest like DAI?

 

Difference in content before and after ending? No, not apart from some dialogue references here and there. 

 

What I mean is that for someone who has completed the game for some time, playing HoS after a small break feels fresh and thus it does not feel "out of place".

 

Tis like, Geralt saved the world and went on a long vacation. Got bored and started to look for some monster contract to pass time... and ended up in this mess  ;)



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Difference in content before and after ending? No, not apart from some dialogue references here and there. 

 

What I mean is that for someone who has completed the game for some time, playing HoS after a small break feels fresh and thus it does not feel "out of place".

 

Tis like, Geralt saved the world and went on a long vacation. Got bored and started to look for some monster contract to pass time... and ended up in this mess  ;)

Ah got it. I heard that there is more Triss content in this? I'm probably setting myself up for spoilers so won't ask further questions, just since where I am right now in the game Triss left Novigrad, I don't know if the new content would take place in a specific location or what.

 

But it's really not relevant in the long run!



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Ah got it. I heard that there is more Triss content in this? I'm probably setting myself up for spoilers so won't ask further questions, just since where I am right now in the game Triss left Novigrad, I don't know if the new content would take place in a specific location or what.

 

But it's really not relevant in the long run!

 

There's some more.



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I started HoS after saving Ciri, when everyone was in Novigrad doing their own thing.  I think it fits nicely with that point in the story, Ciri is safe and surrounded by powerful people, she's proven that she can handle herself in a fight so Geralt doesn't have to babysit her and instead of just running around  the city helping everyone with their own tasks he decides to take on a Witcher contract that turned into a mess.  But I do think it's meant to be played at the very end of the game. and since my Geralt romances Triss and doesn't hang up is sword it actually makes sense that he takes on what he thought was a simple Witcher contract. 

 

 

Did anyone go back to

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after the DLC? I feel kinda bad for Shani. :(



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One cool thing if the DLC is done before rescuing Ciri you can talk to Vesemir about something that is mentioned. Just a couple of lines of dialog but still cool.

Decided to be somewhat vague about that something to not give away a minor spoiler.

Never got back to Vlods grave but intended too.

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I started HoS after saving Ciri, when everyone was in Novigrad doing their own thing. I think it fits nicely with that point in the story, Ciri is safe and surrounded by powerful people, she's proven that she can handle herself in a fight so Geralt doesn't have to babysit her and instead of just running around the city helping everyone with their own tasks he decides to take on a Witcher contract that turned into a mess. But I do think it's meant to be played at the very end of the game. and since my Geralt romances Triss and doesn't hang up is sword it actually makes sense that he takes on what he thought was a simple Witcher contract.


Did anyone go back to

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after the DLC? I feel kinda bad for Shani. :(


I'm curious, can you spoiler mark what happens or send me a message?

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It's such a shame the Off-Topic section was closed off, I really would've wanted to know what the BSN community thought of Fallout 4.



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It's such a shame the Off-Topic section was closed off, I really would've wanted to know what the BSN community thought of Fallout 4.

Well i am guessing they would hate it, alot. When we had the Fallout 4 topic way back when it was mostly just negative comments all the time. Alot of "old school" "hardcore" Fallout fans who likes hating on Bethesda, and trying to share their "opinion". So for that part i am glad its gone. Would have been fun to discuss the game with some of them though. The game has a whopping 4.7 on user score on Metacritics (PC version). Had no idea there would be so much hate and trolling around this game. I love it though!