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[slimgrin]

On a sidenote, the funniest little thing I found in this is that Michael Kirkbride (lead on Morrowind) liked DA2 more than DAI. It's sad when the craziest open world type of writer still likes your other idea.

 

I'm more just hoping CD Projekt just takes over the mantle now.. I'm curious what they can do without the Witcher. I don't expect much anymore from Bioware except throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks.

 

Don't rule out ME:A. I think they canned the Halo writer dude, they have a spiffy new engine and hopefully they improve on the open world formula they tried in DA:I. I still feel Mass Effect is Bioware's flagship franchise and probably has the better talent. At least that franchise stayed the course longer than DA did. 

[ashwind]

I'm passing on MGS5, but I've played enough of the MGS series (over the course of many years at that) to have strong opinions regarding how dumb they are. I'd really like to play Bloodborne, though. Hoping to get a PS4 this holiday season for that and a few other things.

 

Honestly, though - I can see TW3 getting this, and I'm good with that. It's great, and it deserves it. I'm enjoying Fallout quite a bit, but there are things that are mystifying and things that I just don't like. Skyrim + community is what makes it nearly my favorite game ever, and I can't shake the feeling that that's what's inevitably gonna happen with FO4.

 

If MGS is still MGS.... Fallout is even more still Fallout. Dont get me wrong, I like it a lot - it has the TES feel that I miss and I played it 12 hours today but thus far there has been no surprises. Except maybe more FPS-ish... 

 

The only fun part is crafting settlements - weapon and armor crafting... same ole same ole - it is essentially the same as Skyrim and DAI. Was hoping for something like Dead Space 3 weapon crafting...   awww well 

 

I too pass on MGS only because I dont want to pay Konami. They deserve to make nothing but pechinko machine till the end of time.

[straykat]

I too pass on MGS only because I dont want to pay Konami. They deserve to make nothing but pechinko machine till the end of time.

 

It's odd that plenty still would support them (including me), and yet they'll still move away. It's sad when you can have a successful game like MGS 5, and the publisher still puts a damper on it. They see that there's more money in making pachinko or mobile stuff.

 

Sad, but true. Games cost a ton. These companies know that they can make 30 smaller ones for the same price.. and reap in more cash in the process. It's good business. Albeit rife with MT and play tolls. And I'm afraid it's the future.

 

Which brings me to DAI and Witcher and big budget **** like that. You've got to be extremely successful to have a AAA RPG now. It's why I challenge some of their sales speak earlier. Is it really working that well? I know CD Projekt is happy.

[Lawrence0294]

For people that are interested in the main GOTY award and such. Here are the nominees - http://www.polygon.c...s-2015-nominees

 

GAME OF THE YEAR
Bloodborne (From Software/Sony Computer Entertainment)
Fallout 4 (Bethesda Game Studios/Bethesda Softworks)
Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain (Kojima Productions/Konami)
Super Mario Maker (Nintendo EAD Group No. 4/Nintendo)
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (CD Projekt Red/Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment)

Man that's really a great list of contenders. That's really awesome.

 

Sadly I have only played Witcher 3 out of this list so I can't give a good objective opinion on who should win.
Though who will win ? It's definitely going to be a head to head between Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. I'm actually very excited to see who will win, there are a lot of factors to consider. Witcher was released in May so had the time to build a strong fanbase but Fallout 4 coming out in November might allow it to be fresher on people's mind. Also Bethesda has the prestige and a higher fanbase and has already won with Oblivion and Skyrim (though in 2008 Fallout 3 didn't actually win, GTA IV did). However Witcher 3 could use the narrative of being the underdog, the game made by the small studio in Poland.

 

It's gonna be very interesting regardless of who wins. If Witcher 3 wins though, it'll be able to tell it beat Fallout 4, and that's something.

[FKA_Servo]

If MGS is still MGS.... Fallout is even more still Fallout. Dont get me wrong, I like it a lot - it has the TES feel that I miss and I played it 12 hours today but thus far there has been no surprises. Except maybe more FPS-ish... 

 

Well, I still like Fallout, so there's that.

 

The problem with MGS is that for all their polish, Kojima is terrible and it's all very stupid. Which is whatever, because I like lots of stupid things. But Kojima's particular brand of stupid just hasn't worked for me since high school.

[Xetykins]

Lol i would never expect a witcher goty from Polygon. I bet they just put Witcher in there just so they won't look more of a dope on the way they reviewd TW3. They created such  a shtstorm on that.

[straykat]

Lol i would never expect a witcher goty from Polygon. I bet they just put Witcher in there just so they won't look more of a dope on the way they reviewd TW3. They created such  a shtstorm on that.

 

Oh, is it just Polygon..? I thought it was broad effort to give awards.

[FKA_Servo]

Lol i would never expect a witcher goty from Polygon. I bet they just put Witcher in there just so they won't look more of a dope on the way they reviewd TW3. They created such  a shtstorm on that.

 

Your post prompted me to go read Polygon's review of the game, and it seems like the reviewer liked it it a lot, while noting that there are some issues (a fair statement - there are), and that it reflects his own opinions (which should be obvious). That's a bad score? Yeesh.

 

I find it mind boggling that such a thing would create any sort of storm, but then gamers are absurd.

[Dread-Reaper]

Your post prompted me to go read Polygon's review of the game, and it seems like the reviewer liked it it a lot, while noting that there are some issues (a fair statement - there are), and that it reflects his own opinions (which should be obvious). That's a bad score? Yeesh.

 

I find it mind boggling that such a thing would create any sort of storm, but then gamers are absurd.

I don't think it was the score that made people go all tipsy, believe it was another article they wrote.

[FKA_Servo]

I don't think it was the score that made people go all tipsy, believe it was another article they wrote.

 

If it's the article I'm thinking of - yeah, not doing them any favors. Gamers remain absurd.

[Xetykins]

Your post prompted me to go read Polygon's review of the game, and it seems like the reviewer liked it it a lot, while noting that there are some issues (a fair statement - there are), and that it reflects his own opinions (which should be obvious). That's a bad score? Yeesh.

 

I find it mind boggling that such a thing would create any sort of storm, but then gamers are absurd.

 

The score is good but what was written is actually really nasty. They might as well scored it like 4 and it would not look hypocritical.

 

There's giving proper review but to go in dept of his political stance within that review that is frankly really abnoxious considering it's a game made by a minority about their culture and lore who just happens to be white.

[FKA_Servo]

The score is good but what was written is actually really nasty. They might as well scored it like 4 and it would not look hypocritical

 

I think if he knee jerk awarded such an excellent game a 4 for not kowtowing to some imaginary PC cabal, then that which shall not be named might actually have a point about "ethics in game journalism" (as though that were actually their raison d'être). Fortunately, that's not the case.

 

It seems to me like he wanted to spark a nuanced discussion on a relevant topic. The problem is that some people seem to be frightened at the idea of our fair pastime being taken seriously as an artistic medium, at least to the point where it's subject to the same academic criticism and deconstruction that every other artistic medium has been subject to for decades or centuries, where applicable.

[Dread-Reaper]

I must say, after playing Fallout 4 for four days in a row, the presentation of TW3 is outstanding. 

[Hazegurl]

The problem is the open world design, in a party based game, and the type of encounters to start with. That was bound to never have the older tactics, no matter the engine. Second is not getting anyone who knows how to write quests in an open world, other than mmos. Probably listened to a bunch a people in Bioware Austin.

 

The second problem is the story and protagonist, and the open nature of that too. Which has nothing to do with the engine, but basically giving up. David Gaider literally said "You're all going to headcanon anyways." He's somehow convinced himself that people don't actually want fleshed out protagonists, and we're all amateur writers on fanfiction.net

Whelp that has just killed any desire I had to play the new game he's supposed to be writing.

 

 I must say, after playing Fallout 4 for four days in a row, the presentation of TW3 is outstanding.

 

lol! Pretty much. Fallout isn't bad but it's not GOTY. If it does win, it'll be based on hype.  I don't know how far I'm in the story but right now I can say that besides Codsworth and Dogmeat I could care less about these companions.  Although I'm trying to romance Paladin Danse.

 

And the side quests are just..ugh. I literally just turned in another freaking settlement quest and ran away from Preston before he could start telling me about another stupid settlement in trouble.

[Xetykins]

 

Frightened? No. Sick? Yes. Why must there be a quota to meet of the x amount of skin colours( in my case , brown), sexual orientations etc on any medium to make it acceptable even if it does not fit the story? Have you seen what he wrote about the portrayal of women in the game? I doubt he even finished half the game because he couldn't be more wrong.

[slimgrin]

Polygon was brow beating as usual. He yammered on about cleavage and sexism, albeit in a lighter fashion than they normally do because he liked the game, but it felt shoe horned into the review. And when the internet laughed off Arthur Geis' attempt, Tariq Moosa had to give it another try and that's the article that caused a row. Ironically, CDPR already had POC in the works for the expansion. 

[FKA_Servo]

Frightened? No. Sick? Yes. Why must there be a quota to meet of the x amount of skin colours( in my case , brown), sexual orientations etc on any medium to make it acceptable even if it does not fit the story? Have you seen what he wrote about the portrayal of women in the game? I doubt he even finished half the game because he couldn't be more wrong.

Well, he said it was oppressively misogynist, which isn't inaccurate (and it seems like some folks in this very thread seem appreciate that, in the interest of historical verisimilitude or something).

But that's all beside the point I was attempting to make, which is that art is subject to criticism and scrutiny, regardless of whether said criticism and scrutiny is founded. This is true of every artistic medium - literature, film, music, drama, whathaveyou - and if you disagree with it, well, it's eminently easy to ignore. The fact is that video games, as an artistic medium, now have a seat at the adult table, and they have for a few years now - which is something that gamers ostensibly wanted to happen! They want games to be taken seriously as a legitimate entertainment medium. In light of all this, it's just hysterical to me that the second someone actually levels an ounce of social criticism at their games, it's enough to make some gamers lose their goddamn minds and start swatting and phoning in bomb threats.

[Seraphim24]

But that's all beside the point I was attempting to make, which is that art is subject to criticism and scrutiny, regardless of whether said criticism and scrutiny is founded. This is true of every artistic medium - literature, film, music, drama, whathaveyou - and if you disagree with it, well, it's eminently easy to ignore. The fact is that video games, as an artistic medium, now have a seat at the adult table, and they have for a few years now - which is something that gamers ostensibly wanted to happen! They want games to be taken seriously as a legitimate entertainment medium. In light of all this, it's just hysterical to me that the second someone actually levels an ounce of social criticism at their games, it's enough to make some gamers lose their goddamn minds and start swatting and phoning in bomb threats.

 

Apologies, but this just isn't true.

 

It's a heavy misconception that gamers or games want to be at this so-called "adult table." Video games were valuable (and still sometimes are) precisely because they contrasted with the (often) heavily distasteful modern forms of entertainment or media, which were, in contrast to your assertion that games are suddenly now in an artistic medium, always an artistic medium.

 

It's really most other media was sitting at the child table than anything.

 

Like most people don't know but the original NES Zelda was going to have Ravel's Bolero as the theme song, and you can actually see clear musical inspirations in for example Link's Awakening like a riff on Bach's Well-tempered clavier.

 

Games were and still often can be high artistry, for a long time now. It's many other things that often haven't been (although that is very broad lots of exceptions exist). What many gamers want is for the rest of the world to take them seriously on their own terms, not "well we have this thing called the interactive cinema-drama."

 

The day games are truly embraced and all fall into line behind this "adult table" is the day I in all likelihood stop playing them.

[Seraphim24]

Anyway that said mileages varies immensely with a given product and/or their themes, like been playing Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines and it certainly is making out to be a heavily "mature themed" kind of game at times, but it's also so playful and whimsical that despite the trappings it's actually feels like something closer to Ocarina of Time than something like Trine, which kind of promotes itself entirely as a whimsical and kind of a friendly and fun experience and which presumably is more closely copying a Nintendo formula.

 

It's been a lot of fun too.

 

My sense is that there are strands of gaming where they are sort of favorable to that traditional media as well aso the gaming media, but aren't really too inclined to steer too heavily down one path or the other. Although again, even that varies by the particular game.

 

That's definitely not gamers in general though.

[Xetykins]

Man that's really a great list of contenders. That's really awesome.

 

Sadly I have only played Witcher 3 out of this list so I can't give a good objective opinion on who should win.
Though who will win ? It's definitely going to be a head to head between Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. I'm actually very excited to see who will win, there are a lot of factors to consider. Witcher was released in May so had the time to build a strong fanbase but Fallout 4 coming out in November might allow it to be fresher on people's mind. Also Bethesda has the prestige and a higher fanbase and has already won with Oblivion and Skyrim (though in 2008 Fallout 3 didn't actually win, GTA IV did). However Witcher 3 could use the narrative of being the underdog, the game made by the small studio in Poland.

 

It's gonna be very interesting regardless of who wins. If Witcher 3 wins though, it'll be able to tell it beat Fallout 4, and that's something.

 

I think the TW3 first expansion release date was tactical. They know that a lot of games would be a lot fresher on people's minds than theirs, so they put out expansion just a month before FO release to say "hey guys, we're still here, don't forget us" And bam! Out comes a very well recieved and excellent addition their game, specially on the gamer side. 91 on meta and 98% overwhelming positive on steam. But, I am not so sure if that's enough to ****** off 20 million FO fans ( last fallout sales) and around the same for MGS or even bloodborne, against the measly 6 million on TW3. My gut feeling is majority gives it to FO4. The way reviewers talk about that game is akin to the second coming.

[Seraphim24]

As for those "gamers" that supposedly are out there lashing out and being total jerks to anyone and everyone , I have a theory regarding that those people are actually mostly not gamers at all but people who dress up gamers, act terribly, and then presumably do so in order to make the image of "gamers" being bad.

 

They tend to play only a handful of franchises, or gravitate exclusively to AAA titles and speak of gaming only in AAA major media terms, if you ask them what their favorite Sonic game was, they'll stare you blankly because Sonic isn't on the menu of things that gamers supposedly care about.

 

If you ask them their favorite games or best games they'll rattle off the most thoroughly conventional list imaginable, starting with the likes of Half Life and ending with the likes of the Last of Us, as if this all began and ended in the last 10-12 years.

 

Most of their time is spent keyboard pounding on social media and/or gaming websites, and not even really gaming at all, trying to get as many people as possible to buy into the notion that "gaming" is somehow bad under the guise of defending it and a false cloak of social justicism.

 

The truth is many of them still worship at the idol of Hollywood cinema or something, and are straining to incorporate a different paradigm of thought and expression that is oftentimes just beyond their fingertips, and rather than embrace it as a whole, they invent or distort images within the sphere of "gaming," re-arrange labels, and at long last launch a volley backwards over at the medium they're presumably protecting.

[Seraphim24]

I think the TW3 first expansion release date was tactical. They know that a lot of games would be a lot fresher on people's minds than theirs, so they put out expansion just a month before FO release to say "hey guys, we're still here, don't forget us" And bam! Out comes a very well recieved and excellent addition their game, specially on the gamer side. 91 on meta and 98% overwhelming positive on steam. But, I am not so sure if that's enough to ****** off 20 million FO fans ( last fallout sales) and around the same for MGS or even bloodborne, against the measly 6 million on TW3. My gut feeling is majority gives it to FO4. The way reviewers talk about that game is akin to the second coming.

 

Sorry but you just provided me with a point to link to the thread, many (not all) modern game reviewers could probably not even finish half the games that were made once upon a time.

 

Like one game that was really a lot of fun recently (er, a bit older now) was Bloodrayne Betrayal, it never got much press at all, in fact, only one site even reviewed it (IGN). In retrospect, after having played it, my sense is literally many people probably could not even beat it, they often fall for the games like F4 because they're eminently playable, although to be fair and clear have not yet touched the thing, and it undoubtedly provides at least some of entertainment. Bethesda was never in that far out category or something.

 

TW3 for instance is actually a decently challenging game at times, and to kind of circle back also sort of whimsical and playful despite the mature trappings. If that is a burden to objectively valuing the games than the awards or whatever don't really mean much to me. Dragon Age is too, actually, at many times.

 

Gamespot's GOTY awards for awhile were pretty fun, that was the only site I would really follow on the subject of gaming and awards, might even still be worth checking out today actually.

 

It's a bummer they took out a bunch of the fun and goofy categories and such, or things like worst games ever.

[Xetykins]

Yeah, i dunno about gamespot. I like Danny a lot though and his point. And Kevin while he was still there. His DAO review made me his fan.

[Seraphim24]

Yeah, i dunno about gamespot. I like Danny a lot though and his point. And Kevin while he was still there. His DAO review made me his fan.

 

Yeah Kevin VanOrd was pretty cool but guess he left like a year ago or so now.

 

Greg Kasavin was there before him and was also very solid.

 

Edit: Oh yeah that's right Kevin did that whole big thing with Dragon Age; Origins... was thinking of his GW2 review myself.

[Dread-Reaper]

Yeah Kevin VanOrd was pretty cool but guess he left like a year ago or so now.

 

Greg Kasavin was there before him and was also very solid.

 

Edit: Oh yeah that's right Kevin did that whole big thing with Dragon Age; Origins... was thinking of his GW2 review myself.

Didn't Kevin review The Witcher 3?