I know I said I was done with this thread here but honestly just have to say I don't know who annoys me more, the people who worship the ground Tim Cain walks on because no one could possibly surpass Fallout 1 and rage against Fallout 4 or whatever, or the people who wistfully blow off the old games as nostalgia ridden in their attempt to excuse their own lack of understanding or appreciation for them (or maybe just their late arrival)
For me, yes the earlier games are often objectively better, whatever series we are talking about, but oftentimes, the more recent or earlier iterations are not so much worse. So it's not even as though people are all wrong or all right here.
I guess they just deserve each other....
For my taste, I feel like maybe I'll find to blow through Fallout 4 at some point, but the fact that it's Fallout and not The Elder Scrolls which I never had a strong attachment to in the first place makes me uneasy, plus the fact that they jammed it to the max with pandering and so on.
At least Skyrim was kind of honest in it's move away from Morrowind, it was like "yeah, it's just plain old Nordic tribal primitive frozen warrior land," and not magical/D&D/Aquitanian/Imperial/mushroom land" and I'm like well bummer, and yet well whatever, guess I can hump through snow searching for a single arrow to defend myself against wild bears for a spell.
F3 was never really more than just an attempt to take the Fallout ideas and meld them into a different space, the fact that they set it on the opposite coast entirely for instance shows they wanted to go beyond a simple geographic move to more like a geographic chasm.
F4 seems to keep that and also add in a few other worrying trends at the same time. It's massive sale success seems to me to have more to do with the rapid mass commercialization in gaming, although also because Fallout had possibly the richest CRPG tradition of the many CRPGs. Moreover, with Fallout exhausted, I'm not sure there is really anything left of the CRPG tradition to harvest.