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[panzerwzh]

Eh.. what was so wrong with TW1 aside from outdated graphics and combat? I mean it is their first ever game where they did not evdn have proper designers and a game made posible by the mercy of the old Bioware bosses. Through engine and a spot in E3 because they can't afford it. Dr. Ray Myzuka told them that if it's good they get top stand in E3 beside them. And so it must be because they did.

 

And considering how crazy they improve each of their 3 games even almost bankrupting themselves just so they can remain to make the game they want, it's a great achievement.

TW1 is a pretty great RPG with unique world setting and interesting story. I become a witcher fan since TW1.

[Elhanan]

The critic score is not flawed. It records exactly how the review scores goes. User score is a hit and miss though. I still don't agree with FO4 user score even if I have not played it. It is a sure over reaction of butt hurt fans.

Both are flawed, as the Critic scores are possibly skewed when converted to the new algorithm See here:

http://www.brainygam...metacritic.html

[Xetykins]

Still don't see what's wrong with it. Even if you do not want to compute the total, then just look at the individual scores and guage for yourself. The original witcher who's supposed to be the least of the 3 games for example has the same amount of critics as dai. The difference between is not that big considering the backgrounds for each of those games.

 

And the author of your link admit that there is nothing wrong with the critic scores in metacritic. Its only the ramification towards the games that scored low.

[Elhanan]

Still don't see what's wrong with it. Even if you do not want to compute the total, then just look at the individual scores and guage for yourself. The original witcher who's supposed to be the least of the 3 games for example has the same amount of critics as dai. The difference between is not that big considering the backgrounds for each of those games.
 
And the author of your link admit that there is nothing wrong with the critic scores in metacritic. Its only the ramification towards the games that scored low.

Author indicates the bias that goes into the conversion for certain reviews, esp those that do not actually have scores. And for an indicator, it can be useful when one looks at indv scores and reviews, but the totals are still incorrect. Using said site to support a defense is unwise.

But at least TW1 had a pause function.

[Wolven_Soul]

Amazing! This thread has reached 500 pages and is still one of the more civilized threads on the forum, imo--with a few exceptions. 

 

Games, much like opinions, differ and no one game is going to be for everybody. Personally, I am just glad we have so many to chose from and the like/dislike may not be universal, but at least there seems to be something for everyone. I hope it remains so.

 

I just like that, for the most part, we might all disagree on a lot of things, but we all remain pretty respectful of each other's opinions.  That is why I keep up with this thread.  Hard to find that sort of thing on the internet.

[Wolven_Soul]

For myself, Cyberpunk 2077 is pre-order + all expansions purchase stuff while ME:A I will wait till most independent reviews come out. Hype or not, TW3's quality and experience really contributes a lot  towards CDPR's credibility.

 

I love CDPR of course, but I don't pre-order, period.  It's far to easy to get burned.  Better to wait until the game comes out no matter the franchise or developer.  

[FKA_Servo]

But at least TW1 had a pause function.

For all the good it does.

(It's not a lot.)

TW1 is a pretty great RPG with unique world setting and interesting story. I become a witcher fan since TW1.

You definitely don't see too many games in a gritty, fictionalized European setting. I hope it catches on.

[Xetykins]

Author indicates the bias that goes into the conversion for certain reviews, esp those that do not actually have scores. And for an indicator, it can be useful when one looks at indv scores and reviews, but the totals are still incorrect. Using said site to support a defense is unwise.

But at least TW1 had a pause function.

Why would the non scoring reviews be bias? I mean its not as if they will suddenly give scores to games you do not like or single out games for scores. That actually works both ways wether they like a game or not. 

[Elhanan]

Why would the non scoring reviews be bias? I mean its not as if they will suddenly give scores to games you do not like or single out games for scores. That actually works both ways wether they like a game or not.

Which is fine if one reads the original review itself. But when an arbitrary score is attached to such a review to include it as part of the total for use at Metacritic, that algorithm, included scores, and totals are inaccurate.

Use of the review itself is a much better idea to support an opinion of a game than the inaccurate, skewed, and biased site using the review for it's purposes.

[ashwind]

I love CDPR of course, but I don't pre-order, period.  It's far to easy to get burned.  Better to wait until the game comes out no matter the franchise or developer.  

 

If you think about "support/sponsor" then you wont get burn. If you do not wish to sponsor or support a studio then no, dont pre-order.

 

For me, I would pre-order Cyberpunk 2077 today from CDPR because if they get enough financing from players, they can better defend themselves against those legendary monkeys in business suits running around destroying game studios.. 

[Lawrence0294]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that at the end of the day, CDPR has only made about 1.7 great games. And lest we forget, they did also make TW1. Gonna take more than one TW3 to wash away the taint of that little gem.

Cyberpunk is probably an easy purchase based on TW3 and barring anything really stupid, but Bioware and Beth are still the only ones I throw my money at.

Not sure about the 1.7, didn't you enjoy Witcher 2 ?

 

What I think is the most noticeable is how between each game they have incredibly improved quality. Especially when you go from W1 to W2, it's a bigger shock than going from Mass Effect 1 to 2 (and it helps Mass Effect 1 was an actual amazing game).

 

I've made it clear that  I personally think no one should ever pre-order from anyone, so I certainly won't pre order Cyerbunk, nor DA4.

[Wolven_Soul]

If you think about "support/sponsor" then you wont get burn. If you do not wish to sponsor or support a studio then no, dont pre-order.

 

For me, I would pre-order Cyberpunk 2077 today from CDPR because if they get enough financing from players, they can better defend themselves against those legendary monkeys in business suits running around destroying game studios.. 

 

I support a game and studio I like just fine by buying the game once it is released and I decide whether or not I want to play it.  I support gamers in general in my decision to not pre-order because pre-ordering is in the end, bad for the industry.  There are many, many examples of why this is so.

[Akrabra]

Actually i think TW1 is quite good, and i like both it and TW2 better than 3. But i am a weirdo. Still they've yet to make a bad game, but i could say the same for Bioware as i enjoy every game that they have made so far. 

[Xetykins]

Which is fine if one reads the original review itself. But when an arbitrary score is attached to such a review to include it as part of the total for use at Metacritic, that algorithm, included scores, and totals are inaccurate.

Use of the review itself is a much better idea to support an opinion of a game than the inaccurate, skewed, and biased site using the review for it's purposes.

 

In this case TW3 would be forever get screwed by polygon and the likes, seeing how first half of their review is centered around sjw rants. The only one that would come out alive is DA and FO.

[Akrabra]

I support a game and studio I like just fine by buying the game once it is released and I decide whether or not I want to play it.  I support gamers in general in my decision to not pre-order because pre-ordering is in the end, bad for the industry.  There are many, many examples of why this is so.

I like you! 

[Xetykins]

I will pre order ME and Cyberpunk but not DA4 if there is one. I guess I will trust people until they screw me over. Until then, they can take my wallet.

[Elhanan]

In this case TW3 would be forever get screwed by polygon and the likes, seeing how first half of their review is centered around sjw rants. The only one that would come out alive is DA and FO.

No more so than being diluted by the inclusion of said review into a pool of misinformation for a simplified final score. Seek the indv review, and then apply the information as desired. But it still remains an opinion; not a false attempt to make it into objective data.

[Hazegurl]

My major issue with preordering are preorder bonuses, I think that needs to die.  For games I'm almost positive I want I'll usually wait to order within a week of it's release. It's still preordering but by then I've read enough info, some reviews may have come out, some streamers may have gotten early release copies I can watch. So I'm certain to buy anyway if it's good so I might as well get my copy and start downloading. But If there is some sort of embargo on the reviews and/or preorder bonuses I wait until its release and some reviews come out. I used to preorder months in advance because I had so much confidence that I would love the game, but after getting burned several times I just don't do it.

 

I still can't wait for MEA and Cyberpunk though.  DA4 can suck it until I see lots of info, streams, and read the feedback forums.  My biggest mistake with DAI was having so much confidence in BW  to the point where I went into a media blackout mode a week before release to keep myself from getting spoiled.  Never again.

[BounceDK]

The areas in DA:I are fantastic and full of details, but it's ruined by the overwhelming amount of absolutely pointless filler. Every single side quest in Witcher 3 has meaning and is worth doing. In DA:I it's just pointless filler. I'm so bored with this game and I haven't even figured out how to craft runes.

 

I've read on plenty of forums and plenty of articles to "Get out of the hinterlands!" but every other area is exactly the same as the hinterlands. Exactly the same but different looking. You still close rifts, you still find skulls, you still ...... Sigh

[Elhanan]

The areas in DA:I are fantastic and full of details, but it's ruined by the overwhelming amount of absolutely pointless filler. Every single side quest in Witcher 3 has meaning and is worth doing. In DA:I it's just pointless filler. I'm so bored with this game and I haven't even figured out how to craft runes.

Keep reading this, but based on LP vids, it ain't so. Some side quests have cut-scenes as simple as a tyke saying Thank You to Geralt; simply as much depth as those in DAI, but done with more costly cinematics. And the follow the Glowing Baby routine in the Bloody Baron quest seems somewhat less than dramatic. And one still has to get through the cut-scene to enter the inventory of a merchant; annoying, and not so immersive. Etc.

Still prefer the lesser use of such cinematics, as well as less filler in future games.

[nici2412]

http://www.metacriti.../pc/the-witcher

 

Can't be "that" bad as you made it out to be of a game from a then nameless wet behind the ears and broke developer. Only 4 points away from inquisition and a much higher user score. I personally haven't finished it because I really can't stand the combat. I am not at all bothered with graphics. But i am determined to finish it because of the story that I have experienced so far warrants it. 

 

This guy has an unhealthy relationship with TW1

https://youtu.be/ZohodiFCOTU

The enhanced edition of Witcher 1 has even a metacritic score of 86% ,

which is 1% more than Dragon Age Inqusition. Let's not even talk about the userscore. (8.5 vs 5.8)

 

@

United Servo Academy Choir

Your hate for the game is well known in this thread but stop pretending it's anything more than you personal opinion that the game is bad. Judging by the reviews on many different sites (gaming sites, steam, gog etc.)  the vast majority of the people who played it don't share your view.

[The Hierophant]

In this case TW3 would be forever get screwed by polygon and the likes, seeing how first half of their review is centered around sjw rants. The only one that would come out alive is DA and FO.

This. Expecting an objective review from the mainstream western game journo clique vs MC is laughable, when taking into account their anti consumer stance, and their refusal to judge a title beyond their political beliefs unless there's money involved.

 

http://i.imgur.com/YWVXob9.png

 

How a Christian game review site managed to publish an objective review that highlights two separate scores, one based on the author's moral beliefs and the other being neutral is beyond me.

 

https://www.christce...3-wild-hunt-ps4

[nici2412]

Btw currently playing Fallout 4 I realized that the questdesign is even worse than the questdesign in Dragon Age.

90% of the quests are "go there and clean this place of Raiders, Mutants, Ghouls". Most of the time without any (interesting) backstory.

It's still less tedious because the gameplay is more fun.

[Akrabra]

Btw currently playing Fallout 4 I realized that the questdesign is even worse than the questdesign in Dragon Age.

90% of the quests are "go there and clean this place of Raiders, Mutants, Ghouls". Most of the time without any (interesting) backstory.

It's still less tedious because the gameplay is more fun.

True, its more based on envoirmental storytelling, as Bethesda always based themselfs on. I enjoy that alot though, finding notes, holotapes, terminals, and just skeletons placed around that tells a story. In that department they are better than any other developer. I will fight that to death.

[slimgrin]

Actually i think TW1 is quite good, and i like both it and TW2 better than 3. But i am a weirdo. Still they've yet to make a bad game, but i could say the same for Bioware as i enjoy every game that they have made so far. 

 

It's because they both have a clear consistency of vision and story. And they didn't try to muck about with high fantasy tropes. TW3 just falls apart in a few spots and in my humble opinion, they streamlined too much. Quite disappointed what they did with alchemy. As a Witcher game it should play a huge role but the system isn't really any better than what you find in typical fantasy RPGs. As much as I hate to admit it, I think TW3 really did get the 'B' team, which says a lot about the potential Cyberpunk has.