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[Elhanan]

Looking at Skyrim up there, I'm wondering how many of those 20 million actually finished the game or how many quit due to boredom.  Many RPG fans I know of were being told how great the game is and that we've got to buy it.   My husband couldn't get more than 4 hours in without getting bored to tears and running into his first gamebreaking bug that left him unable to progress with the main plot (the vanishing companion.)  I hate first person RPGs and I couldn't get into any of TES games, no matter how hard my father tried.  He's been trying since 1994.   It was funny how many people told me, "Oh, you'll love it!"  I watched my husband play and went, "Yep, I'm glad I didn't waste my money on this.  Oblivion was bad enough."
 
I'm glad Skyrim fans had fun, but talk about overhyped.  I also don't think that the DA team was wrong for taking elements of that either.  I think they did a fine job with the open-world aspect, in so far as exploration and the atmosphere of the zones.  It's the lack of connectivity to the other zones and largely to the main plot is where I think they failed.

Skyrim was my first sandboxed Open World game; also my first TES game. As one used to an exhaustive approach to story based RPG's, my first campaign there was rather a bust. I did almost everything quest related, explored a lot but overlooked many things, and the end result was a mishmash of a character. The spoken dialogue was not as rich as the other titles I have played, but the Archery system still remains my personal fave of any game played to this point.

Then I learned that the Player has the option to choose; what to do, where to go, how to develop, etc. And the written journals found in the game are excellent; a fave quest has almost no written dialogue, but is explained thru these writing, and was more visceral than a lot of other games using cut-scenes and the like.

As one that prefers to have the Player control the game experience, this title grew on me. Now I have 2800+ hrs, and hold it as a great game of this century.

My advice to you and family is to craft a personality that you wish to play, then approach the game with that in mind. Little wasted in giving the game a second chance using a new perspective. I also highly recommend watching Gopher's LPSA series as an example, because it helps show what can be gained from this type of RPG:

https://www.youtube....ofJetcjAhl718NP

This is my personal fave of all the series; hope you give it a chance and enjoy it.

[Rawgrim]

That's another thing.  "Oh Skyrim is okay, but wait until you have it modded!  Then it starts being fun."  I've heard that for the last couple of years too.  If I feel I have to mod a game to make it interesting for me, then I'm going to skip it.  Mods should add to the game, it shouldn't be the reason why I should buy it.  

 

I'm saying that any of us are right or wrong.  This is subjective experience based on a game, after all.  

 

This is true. The "better with mods" argument is a bit off. It is the main product that really counts.

[Rawgrim]

Skyrim was my first sandboxed Open World game; also my first TES game. As one used to an exhaustive approach to story based RPG's, my first campaign there was rather a bust. I did almost everything quest related, explored a lot but overlooked many things, and the end result was a mishmash of a character. The spoken dialogue was not as rich as the other titles I have played, but the Archery system still remains my personal fave of any game played to this point.

Then I learned that the Player has the option to choose; what to do, where to go, how to develop, etc. And the written journals found in the game are excellent; a fave quest has almost no written dialogue, but is explained thru these writing, and was more visceral than a lot of other games using cut-scenes and the like.

As one that prefers to have the Player control the game experience, this title grew on me. Now I have 2800+ hrs, and hold it as a great game of this century.

My advice to you and family is to craft a personality that you wish to play, then approach the game with that in mind. Little wasted in giving the game a second chance using a new perspective. I also highly recommend watching Gopher's LPSA series as an example, because it helps show what can be gained from this type of RPG:

https://www.youtube....ofJetcjAhl718NP

This is my personal fave of all the series; hope you give it a chance and enjoy it.

 

2800+ hours? Damn. You must be the number one ranger in the game. Knows the and like the back of his hand etc.

 

I think I settled for 500 or something. At the most.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

Golden Rule: the main quests in TES games tend to suck. Its the weak points of the games.

 

If you want to really get into the lore you have to invetigate the Lore in-game. Look through books in the games, talk to the right people. The game doesn't hand you the information for "free".

 

I can see why many doesn't like this, though. But compared to the main quests in those games, the guild quests in them are far from boring.

I tried that, you see.  The books, the NPCs, I tried all of that.  I've poked into the EU online too, just to see if there was anything for me.  I checked out the overarching story, ghosted on a few fan threads, and got a feel for it.  There wasn't anything there for me personally.   Not a bloody thing.  I don't want it to be handed it for "free," but nothing about the world stands out.  The main plot should tie into the lore well, which is one area that the DA games continue to shine.  

 

I have a right to think TES is overrated as much as folks do about DA:I.  I appreciate your attempts, but I disliked TES for 20 years and counting.  I've at least given every game a shot because my dad loves it.  It's his favorite RPG series, actually.  I love my dad very deeply, but I can't stand it.  That's not going to change.  I think TW's world is a helluva lot more interesting, and those fans don't tell me, "Well, read every little book and talk to every single NPC and then you'll get the story."  No, they put you into that world without needing such crutches.  I will happily say that both TW's lore and DA's lore blow anything that TES could ever do for me out of the water.

 

Do I think Skyrim is bad just because I don't like it?  Hell no!  Do I think less of any fan of TES that can get involved in that world?  Nope.  Am I happy that the RPG market has a lot of choices?  Oh yeah.  I'm also very happy for those that love the series and can't wait for more.  I'm never going to come down on someone for loving a game or game series I can't personally stand.

 

@Elhanan Thanks for the recommendation.  My husband and I rarely play the same kinds of games, but I'll run it past him.  I was surprised when he picked up Skyrim, to be honest.  He prefers games like the Arkham series, Kirball Space Program, Plague Inc...not many RPGS.  What's funny is that we have completely different tastes but we don't see video games as something worth bickering over.  

 

Different strokes.  

[Rawgrim]

 

 

I tried that, you see.  The books, the NPCs, I tried all of that.  I've poked into the EU online too, just to see if there was anything for me.  I checked out the overarching story, ghosted on a few fan threads, and got a feel for it.  There wasn't anything there for me personally.   Not a bloody thing.  I don't want it to be handed it for "free," but nothing about the world stands out.  The main plot should tie into the lore well, which is one area that the DA games continue to shine.  

 

I have a right to think TES is overrated as much as folks do about DA:I.  I appreciate your attempts, but I disliked TES for 20 years and counting.  I've at least given every game a shot because my dad loves it.  It's his favorite RPG series, actually.  I love my dad very deeply, I can't stand it.  That's not going to change.  I think TW's world is a helluva lot more interesting, and those fans don't tell me, "Well, read every little book and talk to every single NPC and then you'll get the story."  No, they put you into that world without needing such crutches.  I will happily say that both TW's lore and DA's lore blow anything that TES could ever do for me out of the water.

 

Do I think Skyrim is bad just because I don't like it?  Hell no!  Do I think less of any fan of TES that can get involved in that world?  Nope.  Am I happy that the RPG market has a lot of choices?  Oh yeah.  I'm also very happy for those that love the series and can't wait for more.  I'm never going to come down on someone for loving a game or game series I can't personally stand.

 

@Elhanan Thanks for the recommendation.  My husband and I rarely play the same kinds of games, but I'll run it past him.  I was surprised when he picked up Skyrim, to be honest.  He prefers games like the Arkham series, Kirball Space Program, Plague Inc...not many RPGS.  What's funny is that we have completely different tastes but we don't see video games as something worth bickering over.  

 

Different strokes.  

 

 

The main plot does tie into the lore. It does that in all of TES games, really.

 

I agree with you to an extent, though. TW world is way more interesting. And I can see why TES isn't everyones cup of tea.

[Elhanan]

You don't know you can skip the shard quests the first time you lay the game, or any other chore-quest. You only know that after you have played the game to the end. Bioware heavily implied, before release, that every area in the game would feature story heavy quests. With that in mind a player might think the shard fetching or other fetch quests might open up a story based quest afterwards.

Perhaps you may not have known that, but as one that has played other cRPG's, I was fairly certain that not everything is tied to the Main Quest. So I collected some Shards for a time until I discovered the lore behind them, then stopped; a solid RP reason to go along with my dislike for jumping puzzles. And I skipped other quests for RP reasons, too. They may still be worth exploring for my next Inq, as they have a more power centered personality,; will have to see. But No psychic ability is required; just applying the freedom of choice.

[Grieving Natashina]

The main plot does tie into the lore. It does that in all of TES games, really.

 

I agree with you to an extent, though. TW world is way more interesting. And I can see why TES isn't everyones cup of tea.

I tried so hard too.  I'm close to my dad, and he's the reason why I love video games.  My first memories involve playing KABOOM! and Joust for our Atari 2600 with my parents and my younger brother.  I did it for him, but I just couldn't do it.  I might try it again, since Skyrim is often on sale.  One of those times it's up for $20 and I might check it out.  If nothing else, maybe this time is better.  I'm just not paying full price for the series ever again.

[Rawgrim]

Perhaps you may not have known that, but as one that has played other cRPG's, I was fairly certain that not everything is tied to the Main Quest. So I collected some Shards for a time until I discovered the lore behind them, then stopped; a solid RP reason to go along with my dislike for jumping puzzles. And I skipped other quests for RP reasons, too. They may still be worth exploring for my next Inq, as they have a more power centered personality,; will have to see. But No psychic ability is required; just applying the freedom of choice.

 

I didn't think it was tied to the main quest. I thought it was part of a hug side quest. Like one of the Guild questlines in Skyrim, for example.

[Rawgrim]

I tried so hard too.  I'm close to my dad, and he's the reason why I love video games.  My first memories involve playing KABOOM! and Joust for our Atari 2600 with my parents and my younger brother.  I did it for him, but I just couldn't do it.  I might try it again, since Skyrim is often on sale.  One of those times it's up for $20 and I might check it out.  If nothing else, maybe this time is better.  I'm just not paying full price for the series ever again.

 

I think you might like the two Drakensang games, actually. Plays a bit like Dragon Age Origins\ Neverwinter Nights. Very very story based, and you get companions like in DA etc.

[Elhanan]

@ Natashina

I played the first 70+ hrs of Skyrim entirely in 3rd person, so it is viable. However, over time I find that certain things are easier in 1st person like aiming and picking things up while in stealth, so now mix it up a bit much like switching from Tac-cam to Action mode in DAI.

[Grieving Natashina]

I think you might like the two Drakensang games, actually. Plays a bit like Dragon Age Origins\ Neverwinter Nights. Very very story based, and you get companions like in DA etc.

Looks interesting.  I'll pick it up next time it's on sale.  Thanks for the recommendation.  

 

@ Natashina

I played the first 70+ hrs of Skyrim entirely in 3rd person, so it is viable. However, over time I find that certain things are easier in 1st person like aiming and picking things up while in stealth, so now mix it up a bit much like switching from Tac-cam to Action mode in DAI.

Hmm, noted.  I play rogues primarily, so I'd be a little SOL.  Thanks for letting me know though.  

[Rawgrim]

 

Looks interesting.  I'll pick it up next time it's on sale.  Thanks for the recommendation.  

 

Hmm, noted.  I play rogues primarily, so I'd be a little SOL.  Thanks for letting me know though.  

 

 

It is a bit buggy, and the voice acting is on the poor side. But plenty of charm in it, and lots of tactical combat. Linear story, though. I think it just has 1 ending. The second game is a prequel to the first. Less clunky camera controls etc.

[Elhanan]

Looks interesting.  I'll pick it up next time it's on sale.  Thanks for the recommendation.  
 

Hmm, noted.  I play rogues primarily, so I'd be a little SOL.  Thanks for letting me know though.

No luck required, as aiming and selection are still viable in 3rd person; simply found them easier to do in 1st person over time.

[Grieving Natashina]

It is a bit buggy, and the voice acting is on the poor side. But plenty of charm in it, and lots of tactical combat. Linear story, though. I think it just has 1 ending. The second game is a prequel to the first. Less clunky camera controls etc.

Well, one of my favorite games of all time is Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.  Probably some of the cheesiest voice acting I've ever heard and still an awesome game.  I don't mind linear within reason as well as single endings; I love a lot of older FF games too.  Within reason, meaning not linear to the point of The Hallway in FFXIII, but that was exceptionally bad.  It looks worth checking out.

 

 

No luck required, as aiming and selection are still viable in 3rd person; simply found them easier to do in 1st person over time.

If I had to go first person every time I was looting in stealth, I would go crazy.     Also, too much 1st person makes me a little ill, and switching between the two would just be worse.  

[Rawgrim]

No luck required, as aiming and selection are still viable in 3rd person; simply found them easier to do in 1st person over time.

 

I think Drakensang might be up your alley too, actually. Just a tip if you find yourself between games now and again.

[Grieving Natashina]

I think Drakensang might be up your alley too, actually. Just a tip if you find yourself between games now and again.

Remember about, oh, 10 or so years ago when that big RPG drought hit?  Man, it became a pain in the butt to find any decent RPGs for awhile and everything was shite brown too.   I remember when Kickstarter wasn't around, before things like Steam Greenlight or GOG.  Those were dark days.  

 

That's why I think the fanbases of different RPGs fighting over their favorite games is a little silly. I'm too busy being happy that my favorite genre came back strong to get into a peeing match with other RPG fans.  I know that successes of games of RPGs like Dragon Age, TW (even though they were a bit later) Oblivion (which did really well too) and Skyrim really helped bring RPGs back. 

[Elhanan]

I didn't think it was tied to the main quest. I thought it was part of a hug side quest. Like one of the Guild questlines in Skyrim, for example.

Shards are part of a side quest; a reason I was willing to start gathering them. However, in the cRPG's I have played, one does not have to choose them, so once I discovered the lore, was able to stop with a solid RP reasoning.

And in Skyrim, it is seemingly best not to complete all of the Guild quests; becomes a bit of a jumble for a character to attempt it all. Have no idea of the prior TES titles, though I am anxiously awaiting SkyWind to play the most popular story with the most popular mechanics, at least from I have heard.

[Elhanan]

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If I had to go first person every time I was looting in stealth, I would go crazy.     Also, too much 1st person makes me a little ill, and switching between the two would just be worse.

As one with a disability that leaves me with permanent vertigo, I assure you that this is manageable. DA2, the ME series, SWTOR, and Skyrim are the games I helped rehab my gaming coordination. In fact, for DAI, one of the Devs tipped me to reduce Graphic Effects to Low and select the steady cam option to aid with this problem, just to keep all of this DAI related.

[Grieving Natashina]

As one with a disability that leaves me with permanent vertigo, I assure you that this is manageable. DA2, the ME series, SWTOR, and Skyrim are the games I helped rehab my gaming coordination. In fact, for DAI, one of the Devs tipped me to reduce Graphic Effects to Low and select the steady cam option to aid with this problem, just to keep all of this DAI related.

Steady cam option?  Is it available for those with higher settings than low?  I might check it out.

 

I'm glad those games helped you out.  ToR was a particular favorite of mine, because my husband and I played it together.  It's the only time I've had fun playing an evil aligned character.  My Sith Warrior was about as Lawful Evil as you can get, with his more crazy evil Bounty Hunter.  We both fell in love with Mako (I didn't know it was a ME shout-out until years later,) had a ton of fun. 

 

I'm fortunate.  My mom was also a big game player.  Long time EQ and WoW raider.  Unfortunately, games make her very sick for about the last 7 years or so.  My dad has most of those games, and it didn't help her.  I'm glad those have helped you!  No gaming enthusiast should be left without big games.  

[Steelcan]

Imperial Agent master race

I suppose smuggler, Inquisitor, and knight are all right as well

[Grieving Natashina]

Imperial Agent master race

I suppose smuggler, Inquisitor, and knight are all right as well

That was my second character.  It was a LS Imp Agent sniper.  It was pretty funny going from ToR into DA2 for the first time.  It's like my character from ToR got plopped into Thedas.  I had a rather goofy grin on my face when I heard lady Hawke's voice.

[Elhanan]

Steady cam option?  Is it available for those with higher settings than low?  I might check it out.
 
I'm glad those games helped you out.  ToR was a particular favorite of mine, because my husband and I played it together.  It's the only time I've had fun playing an evil aligned character.  My Sith Warrior was about as Lawful Evil as you can get, with his more crazy evil Bounty Hunter.  We both fell in love with Mako (I didn't know it was a ME shout-out until years later,) had a ton of fun. 
 
I'm fortunate.  My mom was also a big game player.  Long time EQ and WoW raider.  Unfortunately, games make her very sick for about the last 7 years or so.  My dad has most of those games, and it didn't help her.  I'm glad those have helped you!  No gaming enthusiast should be left without big games.  

Under Option > Controls > select Auto-Center Camera; this steadies the camera for terrain. And does work with Effects Quality on Low, which lessens the flash, glare, and reduces the density of smoke, I believe. It also improves FPS, as well as makes the spells appear more natural, IMO.

My disability came from a stroke in 2011, and already had some neuropathy problems in my limbs, as well as under-average Eye-Hand control anyway. These were my first WASD games, and DA2 was my first game back from the hospital; aided me in getting back to normal functionality before exploring these other controls.

I have learned that re-mapping the options and controls before gameplay prevents a lot of issues, problems, and frustrations. This is true in DAI, too; avoided a lot of the launch day complaints by doing so.

And Thanks for the kind wishes!

[Grieving Natashina]

Under Option > Controls > select Auto-Center Camera; this steadies the camera for terrain. And does work with Effects Quality on Low, which lessens the flash, glare, and reduces the density of smoke, I believe. It also improves FPS, as well as makes the spells appear more natural, IMO.

My disability came from a stroke in 2011, and already had some neuropathy problems in my limbs, as well as under-average Eye-Hand control anyway. These were my first WASD games, and DA2 was my first game back from the hospital; aided me in getting back to normal functionality before exploring these other controls.

I have learned that re-mapping the options and controls before gameplay prevents a lot of issues, problems, and frustrations. This is true in DAI, too; avoided a lot of the launch day complaints by doing so.

If it helps stabilize FPS, I'm all about it.  The FPS problems aren't huge in DA:I and it hasn't bothered me much since December (patch 2 or so,) but it's just enough to notice for me to notice.  I'm a picky lady sometimes.    I'm not after higher framerates, only a bit more stability.  I'll give it a shot.  I'm also waiting patiently for my graphic driver to get out of Beta which I know will help.

 

I'm glad you've made as much of a good recovery as you can.  I'm thinking about it, and I can certainly see how that would help you.  Playing DA2 on easy seems like a good way to rebuild hand-to-eye coordination.  It's basic reflexes and you don't have to worry about injuring yourself while doing it.  I've heard about video games used as stroke therapy.  I'm not saying I'm happy that you ever had to go through this, but it is cool hearing about this from someone like you.  Video games can have such an interesting impact in so many ways.  

 

When you talked about remapping for DA:I, I was curious what button you found more comfortable for the search radar?

[FiveThreeTen]

That's another thing.  "Oh Skyrim is okay, but wait until you have it modded!  Then it starts being fun."  I've heard that for the last couple of years too.  If I feel I have to mod a game to make it interesting for me, then I'm going to skip it.  Mods should add to the game, it shouldn't be the reason why I should buy it.  

 

I'm saying that any of us are right or wrong.  This is subjective experience based on a game, after all.  

It's not the primary incentive to buy it for most people, but modded Skyrim is just so much better than vanilla. And I assume most people who played TES games don't even bother modding it or play it on console but still considered it an enjoyable experience overall.

But nothing wrong with it not being your kind of game.

[Elhanan]

If it helps stabilize FPS, I'm all about it.  The FPS problems aren't huge in DA:I and it hasn't bothered me much since December (patch 2 or so,) but it's just enough to notice for me to notice.  I'm a picky lady sometimes.    I'm not after higher framerates, only a bit more stability.  I'll give it a shot.  I'm also waiting patiently for my graphic driver to get out of Beta which I know will help.
 
I'm glad you've made as much of a good recovery as you can.  I'm thinking about it, and I can certainly see how that would help you.  Playing DA2 on easy seems like a good way to rebuild hand-to-eye coordination.  It's basic reflexes and you don't have to worry about injuring yourself while doing it.  I've heard about video games used as stroke therapy.  I'm not saying I'm happy that you ever had to go through this, but it is cool hearing about this from someone like you.  Video games can have such an interesting impact in so many ways.  
 
When you talked about remapping for DA:I, I was curious what button you found more comfortable for the search radar?

I now use 'Tab' for Search, as it has been a staple for a lot of Bioware titles. I did try 'Cap Locks' for a while, but prefer it to select the next targets like in ME3.

Amusing note: 'Spacebar' is used for Pause like in many games. In Skyrim, it is used for Jump. I once 'paused' my character to jump over a Vampire many times, and eventually to safety; could not stop because I was laughing too hard!