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[Elhanan]

Bold. Why do people care so much about GOTY awards btw?

It can gain attention, and often includes most of the content. My notice of the overall popularity of Morrowind was due to the sales push for the GOTY edition. But it was not until I became interested in the SkyWind mod project that I made the investment, as the entire game and DLC are required to play.

And when the industries top awards are made, it indicates that the direct peers of those in development are impressed; willing to acknowledge these games as something special. While many GOTY awards may not be impressive, these higher awards do seem to matter to those actually making them.

[Akrabra]

It can gain attention, and often includes most of the content. My notice of the overall popularity of Morrowind was due to the sales push for the GOTY edition. But it was not until I became interested in the SkyWind mod project that I made the investment, as the entire game and DLC are required to play.

And when the industries top awards are made, it indicates that the direct peers of those in development are impressed; willing to acknowledge these games as something special. While many GOTY awards may not be impressive, these higher awards do seem to matter to those actually making them.

But it just leads to alot of infighting among fans and we start to ignore games we actually like because one has to be better? Also it tells people what the game of the year is. I mean shouldn't we decide on our own what we like and do not like? I guess its an American thing i just don't get. No offense to the US or anyone that hails from there, i just don't get it. What i always liked about games and gamers is that we were down to earth, now its just another billion dollar industry. 

 

Maybe its just the mood of the day. Thanks for a well thought out reply non the less. 

[vbibbi]

Yeah, simply finding Ciri is what boils down to for you.. which is why I'll get behind it too. Although it's not the best example of the type of plots I like.

 

 

 

 

They could avoid it if it's simply about existing in the setting.. There's tons of stories to tell in any given city or urban layout.. but especially a sci-fi one. It shouldn't have to be about the setting's impending doom. Ugh. If that's all people can imagine, it's pretty sad.

Apart from just the less high fantasy save the world plot, I like how our actions throughout the game shape the ending rather than Red Green Blue. DAI does this to some degree, most successfully in the Divine election. The other choices we make are very obvious: recruit or conscript? mages or templars? conscript or exile Wardens? ruler of Orlais? While these are options for us, it's pretty cut and dry what we can expect to happen, which isn't realistic to how things really work. A nice example is how Bhelen turns out to be the better king despite being a scumbag; sometimes what consequences we hope to reap from our actions aren't so simple.

 

But in TW3, the simple choice of seeing Emhyr or not with Ciri, choosing whether to help against Radovid, and the subsequent fight amongst the conspirators, killing the tree hillock spirit or not, these are choices, but they're not obvious choices of "If you kill the tree the Baron lives." This feels much more organic and realistic, and when we face the consequences of our actions, it's more impactful.

[ashwind]

But it just leads to alot of infighting among fans and we start to ignore games we actually like because one has to be better? Also it tells people what the game of the year is. I mean shouldn't we decide on our own what we like and do not like? I guess its an American thing i just don't get. No offense to the US or anyone that hails from there, i just don't get it. What i always liked about games and gamers is that we were down to earth, now its just another billion dollar industry. 

 

Maybe its just the mood of the day. Thanks for a well thought out reply non the less. 

 

Similar to Academy Awards for movie, the award should never given to the movie most like most or most enjoy most. You should not think of it that way because what people like to totally subjective. 

 

Awards are given to games/movies that deserves recognition, broke new grounds, setting a new standard in certain areas, or simply being the best for that particular year, etc. It is by no mean an indicator of how much would you enjoy the game/movie and if you feel that they are trying to tell you what you like or not like, you are getting it all wrong.

 

If you think that awards are telling people what they should or should not like, I think that is just being insecure. We are very capable of acknowledging someone's work while making up our own mind.

[Han Shot First]

Bold. Why do people care so much about GOTY awards btw?

 

I actually don't, if by care you mean watching or being emotionally invested in them. I don't watch any award shows and my exposure is limited to mainly to hearing or reading about the winners on the news, whether I want to or not.

 

It is nice however to see games that are quite clearly the best of their genre, get some recognition as such. The devs who poured their blood, sweat, and tears into the project deserve it.

[Xetykins]

I think the awards are just recognizing the efforts of the devs. In a way, they kind of motivate them to do better than their piers.

Speaking of awards. TW3 is leading on gotypics so far.

[Elhanan]

But it just leads to alot of infighting among fans and we start to ignore games we actually like because one has to be better? Also it tells people what the game of the year is. I mean shouldn't we decide on our own what we like and do not like? I guess its an American thing i just don't get. No offense to the US or anyone that hails from there, i just don't get it. What i always liked about games and gamers is that we were down to earth, now its just another billion dollar industry. 
 
Maybe its just the mood of the day. Thanks for a well thought out reply non the less.

But with so many GOTY awards, there seems to be a niche for almost everyone. That said, the top industries awards matter to them; not necessarily the consumer.

[Lawrence0294]

Bold. Why do people care so much about GOTY awards btw?

Well, for me personally, I just find it gratifying for the things that I love to get recognition and praise.

 

I also think the idea of having awards and ceremonies to celebrate the best games is an important step for the gaming industry to mmature. I always like to go back to the early 20th century and observe the evolution of cinema and the time it took to mature and be taken seriously. Having awards was a part of that.

 

I also wouldn't call it an American thing. In Europe there are the BAFTA awards for games and all the other European gaming sites. And of course all the other award ceremonies in cinema and literature.

 

But I don't think anyone should take these awards too seriously. Sometimes the juries just have different tastes and judgments on things. All that matters is your personal opinion in the end, and never let others dictate yours.

[Akrabra]

But I don't think anyone should take these awards too seriously. Sometimes the juries just have different tastes and judgments on things. All that matters is your personal opinion in the end, and never let others dictate yours.

Getting more and more difficult by the day. 

[Xetykins]

Getting more and more difficult by the day. 

Why is it difficult though? I mean, DAO is still one of my greatest game of all time, even with dates graphics. I do not care what people say, it is MY  favorite game even though it did not win goty . Same with ME3, tons of byotching about it but I liked it and its all that matters.

 

Btw this article makes me want to look twice on that Cyberpunk release date rumor. Was there a substance to it? 

http://www.cgmagonli...-the-witcher-3/

 

Oh god if its true then it comes out same yr as andromeda. Help....

[FKA_Servo]

Btw this article makes me want to look twice on that Cyberpunk release date. Was there a substance to it? 

http://www.cgmagonli...-the-witcher-3/

 

Oh god if its true then it comes out same yr as andromeda. Help....

 

I really doubt that'll happen. One of 'em will blink. Probably Bioware.

[Xetykins]

I really doubt that'll happen. One of 'em will blink. Probably Bioware.

Noooooooo... I want Andromeda like yesterday also. Stopped looking into MEA forum to avoid spoilers. I am really looking foreward to it more than cyberpunk simply because I know next to nothing about it in general.

[Realmzmaster]

For some people awards tend to validate their opinion. If a game (DAI , Witcher 3 or any other game you pick) wins a number of GOTY and/or People's Choice awards it validates in some minds that their choice was a good choice and there are like minded people who agree.

 

The awards and even nominations are kudos to the hard work that developers have put into their games. Whether you agree or disagree with the choice is another matter.

Each gamer has his/her own opinion. I (for one) fully acknowledge that Witcher 3 is a great game based on the awards it has won. My personal opinion is that it is not the game for me. Geralt is too much of a set character for my gaming playing purposes and the world does not interest me. I like to create characters of different races, breeds and colors. One of the reasons I have trouble playing Mass Effect.

DA2 came as close to a set character as I wish to get. DAI better suits my gaming purpose. I fully believe that it deserves all the awards it won that validates my opinion.

 

Everyone here has the right to like or dislike a game, film, book etc. The problem on many forums not just the BSN is that people get attacked for their opinions. Some posters try to speak as if their opinion is fact and try to speak for more than themselves. It is like if I want you opinion I will give you one.

 

I believe that civility is key to any discussion. I am always up for discussion. I have had many great discussions on this forum. I try not to engage in arguments.

[NKnight7]

Maybe by late next year CD Projekt Red will talk about Cyberpunk, and maybe get a release date by 2017. I have to admit, I'm really curious about the game. Based off what I've heard it sounds like Cyberpunk is bigger than the Witcher.

[FKA_Servo]

Noooooooo... I want Andromeda like yesterday also. Stopped looking into MEA forum to avoid spoilers. I am really looking foreward to it more than cyberpunk simply because I know next to nothing about it in general.

 

Well, if it's any consolation, neither of them are probably coming when they say they're coming.

 

It's probably not a consolation.

 

Man, I want MEA though.

[Akrabra]

Why is it difficult though? I mean, DAO is still one of my greatest game of all time, even with dates graphics. I do not care what people say, it is MY  favorite game even though it did not win goty . Same with ME3, tons of byotching about it but I liked it and its all that matters.

Hard to answer that question without this becoming way to personal for the thread. So we'll just leave it. 

[vbibbi]

Noooooooo... I want Andromeda like yesterday also. Stopped looking into MEA forum to avoid spoilers. I am really looking foreward to it more than cyberpunk simply because I know next to nothing about it in general.

Don't worry, there are no spoilers in the MEA, as there has been no information released to spoil. Just some increasingly heated arguments about off topic things, which I am guilty of participating in.

[ashwind]

Maybe by late next year CD Projekt Red will talk about Cyberpunk, and maybe get a release date by 2017. I have to admit, I'm really curious about the game. Based off what I've heard it sounds like Cyberpunk is bigger than the Witcher.

 

I doubt we will see Cyberpunk in 2017. I think it is more likely 2018. They say that Cyberpunk is not only bigger but more ambitious and they want to break some sales records if possible as well which mean they probably will take sometime to hype the game and do some extra promotion.

 

I can only hope they will make the game world react to choice we make along the way. Like, when a city or faction or NPC is "changed/killed/destroyed", a unique path will be spawned. Imagine if we could continue TW3 after the ending, based on the outcome, we actually get to play in a world that has evolved based on the different endings only that this would happens at every checkpoint throughout Cyberpunk.

 

I think that would be the next leap in huge open world-ish RPG: A game world that evolves based on player decisions and actions. I dont see any other developer having the guts to attempt this because finances. CDPR is the only studio with the freedom to do so and crazy enough to attempt something like this

[straykat]

Bold. Why do people care so much about GOTY awards btw?

 

I care a bit more about player rewards actually (Golden Joystick). And dev rewards (GDC). But these other ones are cool enough.

 

Much less when it comes to magazines and reviews. I don't trust them for the most part.

[vbibbi]

I care a bit more about player rewards actually (Golden Joystick). And dev rewards (GDC). But these other ones are cool enough.

 

Much less when it comes to magazines and reviews. I don't trust them for the most part.

Yeah, professional reviewers are not good resources for objective reviews anymore. I heard about the new Tomb Raider being Xbox exclusive on release, with PC being released next year and PS4 a full year after the Xbox launch. But when I googled this to learn more, it took me a few pages to find any articles about this exclusivity or remarks that its launch performed poorly against FO4. The first few pages were just review sites providing near-perfect scores to the game.

[straykat]

Yeah, professional reviewers are not good resources for objective reviews anymore. I heard about the new Tomb Raider being Xbox exclusive on release, with PC being released next year and PS4 a full year after the Xbox launch. But when I googled this to learn more, it took me a few pages to find any articles about this exclusivity or remarks that its launch performed poorly against FO4. The first few pages were just review sites providing near-perfect scores to the game.

 

Even though I'm a Tomb Raider fan, I don't blame you.

 

I own it, but still haven't played it. I bought it just because I know what to expect.. and I love this kind of thing. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people like it, but I never expected great sales. Even the last one didn't do so hot.. or any of Square's games for some reason.

[FKA_Servo]

Even though I'm a Tomb Raider fan, I don't blame you.

 

I own it, but still haven't played it. I bought it just because I know what to expect.. and I love this kind of thing. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people like it, but I never expected great sales. Even the last one didn't do so hot.. or any of Square's games for some reason.

 

It did well enough to get the sequel. TR2013 really was one of the best games that year, I think.

 

I really think they should consider long and hard just how much they want that exclusivity cash, because that goes a long way towards poisoning the well. It all goes back to building goodwill. Yeah, it's a few mil in the pocket from Microsoft, but how well does that stack up longterm to all the people who get annoyed at having to wait another six months? Not to mention, you can only launch a game once. Wouldn't you rather not limit that launch to a third of your potential buying audience?

 

I don't mind waiting, and I'll be getting it on PC whenever it releases, but I can't blame people who get annoyed at this sort of thing.

[vbibbi]

I've never played a TR game so I don't have a stake in the issue either way. Just from a gamer perspective I'm really tired of exclusivity deals, and the fact that gaming media doesn't seem to have any stance on it.

 

I don't mind if a game is purely exclusive, like the Uncharted series or Halo, but when the franchise has historically been on multiple platforms and the latest game is being held by one company (and Microsoft isn't even a developer, AFAIK), then that rubs me the wrong way.

 

It seems a difficult phenomena to measure, but I would think that a lot of PC and PS4 players who want to buy the game might be spoiled by reviews and videos during the months/year wait for it to release to their system. That would decrease sales, no?

 

Game companies and developers really just seem focused on the short term and not concerned with long term consequences of business decisions. Maybe the game market is only relevant to short term audiences. Maybe this will all bite them in the @ss in a few years when it's too late to do anything about it.

[Akrabra]

I wonder how much Microsoft coughed up for that deal, and worst of all they won't bring it to Windows 10 at the same time aswell? What is the point taking it from Sony if they are not going to bring it to both their platforms. It hurts the gamers more than anyone else, and it hurts the developer.

 

Square Enix don't care, they got the money. What about Crystal Dynamics? They spent two years of their life making this game and it is only released for 15 million customers instead of a 100 million potential customers? Also released same week as Fallout 4 and Star Wars Battlefront. Hurray for Microsoft and Enix on that one. 

[straykat]

Money wise, it could have been a smart move for them. TR was an underperformer.. I think Square was really alarmed by it. Enough to admit it. MS probably provided a guarantee of support no matter what.

 

You guys are saying it's cutting off gamers, but many gamers showed they didn't give a **** just a year before. While on Microsoft's end, they probably thought it'd be nice to have a platformer like that.. as Sony already has Uncharted.

 

That said, I own both platforms. I do it for this very reason.. I just like games. I'll go where the games are at.