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#13176
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Firstly, pure shooter fans does not really play Fallout 4... at least the COD/BF4/CS fans that I know of does not. Do you know how many people would have died in 300 hours? Tens of thousands literally as good players would have a KPM of >1  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Simply put, time spent on leveling and listening to NPC is a waste of efficiency.

 

I wont go as far as to say that Bethesda pissed off the "majority" of hardcore fans... disappointed is more accurate I think. I think many of us are disappointed and sour because they ignore our feedback and complains about Skyrim and basically migrated our complains into Fallout 4 - hoping the mod community will fix it for them again no doubt.

 

I personally blame the fanboy for the state of Fallout 4. They blindly defended Skyrim and Bethesda against any criticism; although I suppose the same can be said about fanboys of any game/company. Fanboys simply cannot distinguish what is objective truth and what is personal opinion/feelings. Sad.

 

(Yeah, I freaking got 1 patch for FO4 thus far and the only noticeable impact is that it freaking break MOD support and I have to re-enable mod every time I start the game. !@#$%^&*)

 

Obsidian is a funny developer... I mean NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer is one of my favorite RPG. I wonder why are they so .... under funded.

Nope, pure shooter fans do play Fallout4 since its bloody advertisements were everywhere. Fanboys do ruin everything.

For me is New Vegas and POE.

As long as they keep true to RPG making, Obsidian will do great! Divinity: Original Sin 2 is another RPG I'm looking forward to .



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Nope, pure shooter fans do play Fallout 4 since its bloody advertisements were everywhere. Fanboys do ruin everything.

Oh the irony in your statement. 



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Nope, pure shooter fans do play Fallout4 since its bloody advertisements were everywhere. Fanboys do ruin everything.

For me is New Vegas and POE.

As long as they keep true to RPG making, Obsidian will do great! Divinity: Original Sin 2 is another RPG I'm looking forward to .

 

I showed it to some friends but they claim that leveling is lame. Maybe there are some pure FPS fans who play FO4 but I find it hard to imagine them liking it. tea bagging NPCs does not exactly turn them on.

 

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:



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I don't consider Witcher 3 to be groundbreaking but it deserves all the praise that it's getting for just one simple thing. Aside from graphics the game delievered everything what was hyped up for.

 

Inquisition received most GOTY awards in 2014. Why? Because it barely had any contest when it came to triple A titles, meanwhile W3 went up against Fallout and MGS, both franchises that are more than decades old before Witcher franchise found it's way into gaming world.

 

Fallout 4 screwed up by getting turned into sandbox action-fps adventure with friggin Minecraft building and removing every single RPG aspect and MGS should have never went open world in the first place, it's what brought the game down for me in the first place.

Second it. In addition, Gwent is such a lovely mini game that deserved an GOTY for itself, and the facial animation of character interaction really brings in another level of immersion. Bloodborne is the most promising competitor for GOTY yet TW3 triumphed!

As for FO4, I found the Minecraft thingy the most interesting part of the game, which is really sad even for an open world shooter.



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I showed it to some friends but they claim that leveling is lame. Maybe there are some pure FPS fans who play FO4 but I find it hard to imagine them liking it. tea bagging NPCs does not exactly turn them on.

 

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Still better than Destiny. :P


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Oh the irony in your statement. 



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Great response, as per usual. Why do i bother?



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You might be exaggerating with that Eurogamer article Akrabra, was reading through the comments on their GOTY article recently and TW3 was barely mentioned. Using the search function, the words "The Witcher 3" was only found five times and the only place I've seen people shouting for TW3 was when PCG named MGSV their GOTY.



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You might be exaggerating with that Eurogamer article Akrabra, was reading through the comments on their GOTY article recently and TW3 was barely mentioned. Using the search function, the words "The Witcher 3" was only found five times and the only place I've seen people shouting for TW3 was when PCG named MGSV their GOTY.

Not only might, i am. This game gets me all riled up, and not in the good way. Thank you for calling me out on it.



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I've no idea how reliable the info is, but according to http://gotypicks.blogspot.com/, The Witcher 3 has won 160 GOTY awards. Seems like everyone and their dogs are giving out GOTY awards.

And there goes any shreds of respect I had left for gaming awards. TW3 doesn't deserve a single one.



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Not only might, i am. This game gets me all riled up, and not in the good way. Thank you for calling me out on it.

I know just the thing to calm you down.

 


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#13187
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I know just the thing to calm you down.

 

Damn you Preston!



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And there goes any shreds of respect I had left for gaming awards. TW3 doesn't deserve a single one.

I know how you feel, it should've gotten all the awards, for every category, racing, puzzle and horror.


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#13189
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I know how you feel, it should've gotten all the awards, for every category, racing, puzzle and horror.

No, it should've gotten zero. There is nothing in TW3 that deserves an award. 



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I know how you feel, it should've gotten all the awards, for every category, racing, puzzle and horror.

Best racing game? I could see that, in fact it does have horse racing! Also a pimp your horse DLC would add to this.


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No, it should've gotten zero. There is nothing in TW3 that deserves an award. 

 

Spoiler

 

That's some good new year's salt to cook with.


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No, it should've gotten zero. There is nothing in TW3 that deserves an award. 

And that's one fans opinion.

 

 

Best racing game? I could see that, in fact it does have horse racing! Also a pimp your horse DLC would add to this.

Hopefully those scrubs at Codemasters can learn a thing or two about racing from TW3.



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What choices are those? Not many FPS out this year except Halo 5 which is a Xbox One Exclusive. The success of TW3 highlights hype culture and the media feeding that culture. And it can't inspire Bethesda and Bioware for their next games, because they are not creative enough?

 

Tbh, and I say this having significant grievances with TW3, I really feel both Bioware and Bethesda need to step up their game. One thing you have to hand to CDPR is taking creative risks, and they took huge ones with TW3. Far more than I've seen the other two companies do with their last few games. It didn't pan out for every aspect of the game, namely the writing, but in other areas I do feel they raised the bar and it'll be hard not to think of quality side content, quest design, world building, dialog etc when I play other RPGs.  As for the fanboys and hype, when you deliver on most of your promises, both with your games and your business ethics, you're allowed to hype. But the promotional frenzy got tiresome for me too. 


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And there goes any shreds of respect I had left for gaming awards. TW3 doesn't deserve a single one.

 

That sound so salty. 

Would it deserve more if it filled quotas and have cc, I wonder.



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Best racing game? I could see that, in fact it does have horse racing! Also a pimp your horse DLC would add to this.

 

Shush... I've got the little pony rainbow dash roach mod :P


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#13196
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That sound so salty. 

Would it deserve more if it filled quotas and have cc, I wonder.

What do you mean by "filled quotas"? 



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Good grief really? GOTY literally means it was someone's game of the year. EVERY game can earn it. Saying something doesn't deserve GOTY is absurd. You can say it doesn't deserve your GOTY (which is reasonable) but unless it's a technical disaster saying it doesn't deserve GOTY is odd. Like you're trying to tell someone what their opinion of the best game of the year is wrong?

 

My GOTY is F4 because I'm having a blast and with mods I'll be playing this game until TES6 comes out. If someone else doesn't agree that's fine! It's my opinion and everyone has their own GOTY. No need to try to throw shade because you personally don't like the game =/


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#13198
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Always the voice of reason, Ry!



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I think part of the dilemma is that BioWare games and many of the people who play them are completionist in nature.  (I include myself wholeheartedly in that number)

 

So with a semi-linear "BioWare classic", getting 100% completion is both rewarding, engaging, and doesn't take an insane amount of time, since all of it factors into the story in some form or another, and it all progresses you towards the end of the journey.

THAT IS NOT A BAD THING.

 

Dragon Age:Inquisition is not semi-linear at all.

THAT IS NOT A BAD THING.

 

But the dilemma is that we are trying to fit our familiar "BioWare" playstyle into a game that has a fundamental difference.

We're accustomed to being a conductor on a train, with multiple tracks, several side-cars, and a few watering holes, all eventually leading to the same station.

 

And now with Inquisition, we're given a car, enough fuel to get started, and a few pointers as to where to get more, and sent into a massive open area, where we can drive wherever we want.  There's a final stop that requires some fuel to get there, but we'll get that fuel from hundreds of different pumps from dozens of different locations.

 

Both options are enjoyable, but they are fundamentally different.

With the open-world, completing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING takes a very long time.

I have a save sitting in Inquisition that was completed over a year ago, I keep it around in case there's a save import for DA: Tevinter, and that's the save I will use.

Point being:  I have nearly 200 hours invested in that save, and that playthrough was going to be my 100% playthrough.  Every quest, every item, every outcome would be just so, and I have basically achieved that.

I have more crafting materials than I know what to do with, have 500+ power, all War Table missions concluded, and more gold than the 12+ dragons I killed to get it, and it was awesome.

But on a technical level, it is not 100%.  I still haven't found all the mosaic pieces, and there's a few requisitions that are "unwinnable" because the enemies that carry the materials necessary to complete them no longer spawn.

 

Long story short, people say Inquisition is full of "boring, pointless quests".

Not so.

You only need "so much" to progress the story, and Inquisition has multiple ways to get what you need.

If you feel the story is taking too long, it's because you have at least double the amount of power needed to advance the next mission.

Fighting dragons is not only some of the best moments, but gets you the best crafting materials, so most of your equipment is found easily enough, you just need to remove the fire/ice/lightning-breathing parts first, and not die.

 

You just need to let go of the "completionist" mind-set and the pace really picks up.

I enjoy being able to just run around, collecting resources, because I find it satisfying to craft a whole teams' worth of weapons, armor, and helmets with enough left over to tint and match just so, that way everyone's ready for Trespasser, except (SPOILER), since (SPOILER) and the equipment is (SPOILER)

 

Long story short, (again).  The game is every bit "Game of the Year" and whatnot, you just need to adjust your mentality a bit.

 

"Oh look, Elfroot!  I must have it!"

"And there, Silverite and Volcanic Aurum!  Now my armor can match my helmet!"

"And let's not forget the Iron, so I can find out which Dragon Teeth give the bonus without wasting valuable materials!"


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Good grief really? GOTY literally means it was someone's game of the year. EVERY game can earn it. Saying something doesn't deserve GOTY is absurd. You can say it doesn't deserve your GOTY (which is reasonable) but unless it's a technical disaster saying it doesn't deserve GOTY is odd. Like you're trying to tell someone what their opinion of the best game of the year is wrong?

 

My GOTY is F4 because I'm having a blast and with mods I'll be playing this game until TES6 comes out. If someone else doesn't agree that's fine! It's my opinion and everyone has their own GOTY. No need to try to throw shade because you personally don't like the game =/

 

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

The counter argument would be: It is my opinion that [game] does not deserve to be GOTY. Telling me otherwise would be telling me that my opinion (however absurd) is wrong.

 

Okay, seriously. I sense a lot of insecure people. Why are you so concern about other people's opinion about what game should be GOTY? Why do you feel threaten when the majority hail a game GOTY (happens every year btw)? Why do you feel that your opinion is being undermined when you are not the majority?

 

Cut the BS about "Oh I dont care." If you dont, you wont be bickering about others bickering. -_-  

 

You could be one who enjoy "talking about what you enjoy the most" the most. That too is perfectly fine. Bickering and arguing can be fun. No shame in enjoying that too.  :P

 

So, while I enjoy reading all this - lets not turn this thread into a mud slinging arena for it may end up badly  :rolleyes:


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