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[Akrabra]

Well, that's mustn't been very hard

Very funny.

[Xetykins]

http://visegradinsig...valley24092014/

 

This is what happened at start up, or were you asking for proof on the corruption of Poland?

 

And no one of us is hating at CDRP, really. Even if they turned into a developer that had half the fans hating them and half the fans loving them, i would probably still buy their games. I just don't see any reason to idolize them or any other developer. 

Whats it got to do with CDPR? I mean the proof that their govt owned them, not the subsidy because everyone is entitled to it which was probably just 5k when they started.

 

The fact that you stated that the attention and awards tw3 has been getting riles you up is pretty much telling btw. 

[Akrabra]

Whats it got to do with CDPR? I mean the proof that their govt owned them, not the subsidy because everyone is entitled to it which was probably just 5k when they started.

Me taking things out of context unfortunately. My apologizes. 

[Xetykins]

Me taking things out of context unfortunately. My apologizes. 

No worries. Still wub you!

[panzerwzh]

 

Only haters likes watching heroes fall.

 

And the time cdpr will fall is when they decided to sell out. As long as they are 100% in control of their own products going bonkers with quality as much as they can, then that pedestal is safe. Never seen a dev give so much love to their fans specially with free enhanced edition upgrades with 6 hrs more gameplay on 1 and 2nd game. They could also capitalize on tw3 popularity and sell HoS for 15 USD and people will gobble it, because yeah, you know a lot of people actually likes their games.

 

 

So please stop the hate. 

 

 

As for those salty generalization and accusation towards CDPR's future make me enjoy TW3's victory even more! Release Blood and Wine already!

[Wolven_Soul]

It's ridiculous when you don't meet the factions anywhere near the same time. Even NV doesn't do that. (And even with NV NCR was clearly the superior option over the Legion and you meet either way before you meet House. More camps, more supplies, more quests. If helping the legion auto made the NCR hostile it wouldn't have been worth it either that's why you got warnings that you were pissing them off, not to mention I'd probably get stabbed on sight going to Nipton since there's quite a few NCR friendly quests you can do on the way there!). Also given the amount of people who replay games in the first place is minuscule locking content lock in that way for replay value is a losing proposition from the jump. What would actually be ridiculous is your plan. The player with no knowledge or reason says "yes" to Danse (yay for quests and XP) and all of of the Railroad is locked when they probably won't meet the railroad for another 10 hours? This is stupid for multiple reasons including the amount of people already doing the railroad is probably pretty low (33.7% vs 60.8 for Railroad vs BOS, quest completion drops off the longer into the game you go and look at their versions of the endgame quest completion it's 6% vs 10%) and this would just make it worse. The way they did it with a cutoff moment makes far more sense (the only issue really is the cutoff moment is too late. It should've been who you turned the tape into).

 

Also the Brotherhood doesn't have you killing innocent gen 3 Synths. DId you even play play the questlines you're complaining about? The only synths you have to kill in the BOS questline are the same ones the RR kill (and all of the Gen 3 synths are completely avoidable). Hostile gen 1 and 2s. And if the BOS has a way of detecting gen 3 synths that no one else has there would actually be a problem. As they don't...

 

You can kill the group of synths at Bunker Hill but you can do that as any faction.

 

Also the brotherhood learns the player helps synths? How? You think the synths are gonna tell them? (No one else other than RR members and the Institute are gonna know that person is a synth and neither of those groups would tell the BOS!) No just....no. I could maybe understand this if we meet them at the same time and it's a vs situation but that's not how it occurs. The only time this occurs is at Bunker Hill and I'm pretty sure you can just lie and say they escaped.

 

...more than possible = likely bro if you had just said possible that'd be one thing. Also you may have did it that way but the game literally herds you in a certain direction. (Look at how dog meat moves (the first companion you get) he herded you towards Concord and from there you're herded towards DC and on the way there you meet Danse. You can avoid this (I just did) but he's clearly going towards Concord every time you stop for a second.  The game expects you to do things in a certain order (yes the game accommodates you doing things in different orders but you're herded in a certain direction. Like X6 can react to you joining the BOS.) 60.8% of players according to steam achevo stats joined the BS. 33.7% joined the RR. Now if the RR was locked once you joined the BOS that percentage would go down even further in all likelihood. Between the higher enemy levels and ridiculous of the RR quest to start (you have to follow a red trail through high lvl enemy groups) the chances of you meeting the RR first are not high.

 

Also if the Minutemen locked out anyone?  74.2%. It'd be ridiculous! Faction cutoffs only make sense when the factions start off hostile and you're given the chance to meet all of them before given the choice to join.

 

I feel it could use improvements but the base was fun (but I did mod the heck out of it. I have full wall windows! And my stores actually look like stores with stuff on the shelves ).

 

Also 10% of people haven't left the vault yet So we're working from a 90% playerbase for everything.

 

Like I get the whole "you shouldn't be able to work with all of them." I get that. It's where you say "Oh that quest you did 10 hours ago should lock you out of content you had no way of knowing about now with a faction you haven't even heard of til 8 hours ago." Like...nah brah I shouldn't have to have a guide in front of me my first playthrough not to completely bork my first time.

 

It's not ridiculous, it's more realistic, and it adds more replay value.  If your going to throw a statement out there that the amount of people who replay games is minuscule your gonna have to have something to back that up.  I don't believe that for a single second.  Fallout is meant to played more than once, or...at least...previous Fallout games have been, this one...not so much.  People who play these sorts of game tend to play them more than once, if the content is there for them to do so.

 

People join every single faction in Bethesda games because they know the games are going to let them do it, no matter how silly it seems.  If they know that there is a possibility that one faction could mean not being able to join another one, then they are going to be more informed about their decisions, so if they meet the Brotherhood first, find out that they are absolutely gung ho about killing all mutans, ghouls, and synths, they might say no thanks at first.  Also, I already said joining the Minutemen and one of the others is fine, just not the Brotherhood and the Railroad.

 

The various people in this game seem pretty danged good at knowing what your doing when your working with one of the other factions.  Maxson even knows that you give away the thing you get from the Institute if you give it to someone else.  I built the transporter, copied all their info, came back and gave it to Sturges, and Maxson somehow knew about it.  So it's really not a stretch to me for him to know if I help Synths.

 

I never once felt herded towards meeting Danse at all on my way to DC, and I did that fairly early in the game.  I saw a radio signal, listened to it and I thought, "Huh, I'll have to check that out at some point", and went on my way.  I did feel herded towards Concord yes, but I didn't even feel herded towards DC let alone meeting Danse.

 

More than possible does not equal likely, at all.  It just means that it is very possible to happen.  Oh, and you can meet all of the factions before you join any of them.  Not a single one of them says, if you don't join at that moment in time, then you can never join at all.  I'd imagine even that if you tell Desdemona that you would not kill to save a synth, you can go back later and change your mind about that.

 

This game is just not written very well at all.  They tried to make being able to join everything make sense, but they just didn't pull it off.

 

Man...I want windows...that was one of the things that annoyed me the most with the building.

[Akrabra]

No worries. Still wub you!

Hehe, why? I am a bitter old man.

[Wolven_Soul]

I would agree to the DLC and patching, then again that is EA. Bioware can just go back to what they used to do, not look to another company to do something.

 

Yes CDRP are great developers, and they've done some amazing work since they started, and i will stand by that. What scares me is with all that build up,customer loyalty and praise. What happens if they slip up just once, or maybe even twice, the outrage and the fall of those loyalists will be hard. This is actually what has happened with Bioware and Bethesda, so it seems like it will eventually happen to CDRP aswell. Circle of life (Yes Lion king reference, sue me). I'll stay detached and buy games i want to buy and play them. 

 

Yeah, my fall with Bioware was hard.  Bethesda...I havn't fallen with them yet, but I am slipping.  If CDPR ever falls, and logic states that eventually it will, I think I will be better prepared though.  I will be disappointed but at this point I am starting to understand and realize that eventually they all fall.  My real worry is that there will be less and less developers that are picking up where those who have fallen left off.

[Xetykins]

I don't hate CDPR. In fact I'm wishing them all the best in their development of Cyberpunk 2077. 

Well now. They made the crappiest game that warrants not a single awards in your own opinion. You must really not hate them.

[FKA_Servo]

I would clarify that I'm quite certain that CDPR the developers love their fans and want nothing but what's best for us. Ditto for Bioware the developers, and whoever Activision has churning out Call of Duty titles these days, assuming they're still made by actual human beings and not excel spreadsheets.

Any and all cynicism I have is aimed squarely at their corporate overlords, which in CDPR's case shares the name, unlike Bioware and EA. And I do think it's silly to assume that they view us as anything other than dollar signs. The only difference from EA is that they've found a smart, palatable way to pull money out of our wallets. Harbor no illusions about their endgame, though.

That, and they haven't been in the game long enough to garner a real hate base. Let's not forget how fickle and awful gamers can be.

[Xetykins]

Hehe, why? I am a bitter old man.

Well, you're OUR bitter old man!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well now. They made the crappiest game that warrants not a single awards in your own opinion. You must really not hate them.

I never said that first part and it doesn't deserve the awards in my opinion because this year for every aspect of a video game there was a game that did that aspect better. Just because I don't like a product doesn't mean I hate the people who made it. 

[Xetykins]

That, and they haven't been in the game long enough to garner a real hate base. Let's not forget how fickle and awful gamers can be.

 

As long as they continue what they are doing now then cdpr can run away with my wallet. Bioware gets to do that for ME, but not for DA unless it's a DAO enhanced edition

[panzerwzh]

I would clarify that I'm quite certain that CDPR the developers love their fans and want nothing but what's best for us. Ditto for Bioware the developers, and whoever Activision has churning out Call of Duty titles these days, assuming they're still made by actual human beings and not excel spreadsheets.

Any and all cynicism I have is aimed squarely at their corporate overlords, which in CDPR's case shares the name, unlike Bioware and EA. And I do think it's silly to assume that they view us as anything other than dollar signs. The only difference from EA is that they've found a smart, palatable way to pull money out of our wallets. Harbor no illusions about their endgame, though.

That, and they haven't been in the game long enough to garner a real hate base. Let's not forget how fickle and awful gamers can be.

I do not believe anybody who enjoys TW3 is under illusion that CDPR did it for charity. From a dollar value /product quality perspective, TW3 sets the gold standard for fantasy open world RPG. Hence, my money will go for CDPR's future products.

[Derrame]

No, there is no correction to be made. Each company should try to keep their own identity rather than trying to copy others. 

Plus most of the stuff you listed is subjective, and ones I disagree with emphatically. 

the correction is already made,  your opinion that each company should keep identity, is subjective. each company can improve itself to be better

[Akrabra]

I do not believe anybody who enjoys TW3 is under illusion that CDPR did it for charity. From a dollar value /product quality perspective, TW3 sets the gold standard for fantasy open world RPG. Hence, my money will go for CDPR's future products.

What if, and not saying this happens, but Cyberpunk recieves low critic scores and the fanbase do not like the game that much. Will you still buy it then? Will loyalty sway you even if the game is not to your liking? 

[Akrabra]

the correction is already made,  your opinion that each company should keep identity, is subjective. each company can improve itself to be better

Improving oneself does not mean becoming another.

[Derrame]

The one thing people like more than a hero is to see a hero fall. 

nope, not everyone, only those who don't appreciate quality

[Xetykins]

I never said that first part and it doesn't deserve the awards in my opinion because this year for every aspect of a video game there was a game that did that aspect better. Just because I don't like a product doesn't mean I hate the people who made it. 

 

So I guess only your opinion deserves the recognition/awards I guess? Nevermind all the readers choice awards its been getting. Have you seen the charts of how much they bagged it? 65% , FO4 (2nd) at 9% 

 

Off to bed.. lets argue like good fanboys/girls again tomorrow!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So I guess only your opinion deserves the recognition/awards I guess? Nevermind all the readers choice awards its been getting. Have you seen the charts of how much they bagged it? 65% , FO4 (2nd) at 9% 

Considering you agreed with a poster who said exactly this(the only GOTY the matters being the person's personal one), calling it "a voice of reason", yes. 

I've also seen the Republican polls with Trump dominating the others. Doesn't mean I have to think he is good presidential material because others think so. Same thing. Why should I care what others think? Why do you care what I think? 

 

The point is you think I hate CDPR. I do not. Case closed. 

[Akrabra]

So I guess only your opinion deserves the recognition/awards I guess? Nevermind all the readers choice awards its been getting. Have you seen the charts of how much they bagged it? 65% , FO4 (2nd) at 9% 

 

Off to bed.. lets argue like good fanboys/girls again tomorrow!

YAY! I really should stop at this point and this time i will. Sleep well.

[panzerwzh]

What if, and not saying this happens, but Cyberpunk recieves low critic scores and the fanbase do not like the game that much. Will you still buy it then? Will loyalty sway you even if the game is not to your liking? 

First, I would not give any attention to any cricitc scores but own experiences. If Cyberpunk fails, I would not support them in a foreseeable future. My wallet only opens for best RPG at that moment. A good example will be after ME3 and DAI's disappointments, I would not spend a penny for next DA or ME games until Bioware proven capable to deliver decent RPG again. 

[Akrabra]

First, I would not give any attention to any cricitc scores but own experiences. If Cyberpunk fails, I would not support them in a foreseeable future. My wallet only opens for best RPG at that moment. A good example will be after ME3 and DAI's disappointments, I would not spend a penny for next DA or ME games until Bioware proven capable to deliver decent RPG again. 

Fair enough, and i do appreciate the reply. 

[Derrame]

I do not believe anybody who enjoys TW3 is under illusion that CDPR did it for charity. From a dollar value /product quality perspective, TW3 sets the gold standard for fantasy open world RPG. Hence, my money will go for CDPR's future products.

exactly, simple as that, absolutly true. everyone learn from him/her

[FKA_Servo]

I do not believe anybody who enjoys TW3 is under illusion that CDPR did it for charity. From a dollar value /product quality perspective, TW3 sets the gold standard for fantasy open world RPG. Hence, my money will go for CDPR's future products.

I don't think that, and regarding the latter, I agree with you. I would just not conflate justified skepticism towards soulless corporations with hating, is all. I feel doubly so about EA.