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[line_genrou]

I would clarify that I'm quite certain that CDPR the developers love their fans and want nothing but what's best for us. Ditto for Bioware the developers, and whoever Activision has churning out Call of Duty titles these days, assuming they're still made by actual human beings and not excel spreadsheets.

Any and all cynicism I have is aimed squarely at their corporate overlords, which in CDPR's case shares the name, unlike Bioware and EA. And I do think it's silly to assume that they view us as anything other than dollar signs. The only difference from EA is that they've found a smart, palatable way to pull money out of our wallets. Harbor no illusions about their endgame, though.

That, and they haven't been in the game long enough to garner a real hate base. Let's not forget how fickle and awful gamers can be.

 

Gamers are awful when they realize they are be screwed over and lied to. CDPR still haven't done that, so no reason AT ALL to hate them or even be annoyed at them, unless you're a bitter fanboy of another company.

[Akrabra]

Gamers are awful

Fixed it for you!

 

Also they did lie about the downgrade, they could've just told the truth.

[FKA_Servo]

They're awful for a lot of different reasons.

[line_genrou]

Fixed it for you!

 

Also they did lie about the downgrade, they could've just told the truth.

 

That would be a bigger issue if the game wasn't amazing in every other aspect that actually matters.

[ashwind]

I would clarify that I'm quite certain that CDPR the developers love their fans and want nothing but what's best for us. Ditto for Bioware the developers, and whoever Activision has churning out Call of Duty titles these days, assuming they're still made by actual human beings and not excel spreadsheets.

Any and all cynicism I have is aimed squarely at their corporate overlords, which in CDPR's case shares the name, unlike Bioware and EA. And I do think it's silly to assume that they view us as anything other than dollar signs. The only difference from EA is that they've found a smart, palatable way to pull money out of our wallets. Harbor no illusions about their endgame, though.

That, and they haven't been in the game long enough to garner a real hate base. Let's not forget how fickle and awful gamers can be.

 

The biggest difference I see between Bioware and CDPR is their publishers.

 

I think it is safe to say that Bioware games "changed" under the dictation of EA. While a studio might care for their fans, publishers dont. Publishers only care about ROI and Bioware is not the only studio suffering under EA. Since Bioware needs EA to finance their development, EA can tell order them to do all sorts of things, from dumb down features to silly timeline. For example, Activition now has 2-3 studios crunching out COD so that they can plough their customers annually. EA does the same with the Battlefield franchise, asking Visceral to do hardline while having DICE work on Battlefront so they can be released one after the other. And there is WB and the whole Batman Arkham Knight PC port fiasco.

 

In short, CDP/CDPR's future depends on their independence. As long as they are independent and doing well, at worst, they would become like Valve: they wont release Half Life 3. Better sell games on Steam (in CDP's case GOG) than tarnishing their brand.

 

"Publishers, Publishers never change"

[Ryzaki]

It's not ridiculous, it's more realistic, and it adds more replay value.  If your going to throw a statement out there that the amount of people who replay games is minuscule your gonna have to have something to back that up.  I don't believe that for a single second.  Fallout is meant to played more than once, or...at least...previous Fallout games have been, this one...not so much.  People who play these sorts of game tend to play them more than once, if the content is there for them to do so.

 

People join every single faction in Bethesda games because they know the games are going to let them do it, no matter how silly it seems.  If they know that there is a possibility that one faction could mean not being able to join another one, then they are going to be more informed about their decisions, so if they meet the Brotherhood first, find out that they are absolutely gung ho about killing all mutans, ghouls, and synths, they might say no thanks at first.  Also, I already said joining the Minutemen and one of the others is fine, just not the Brotherhood and the Railroad.

 

The various people in this game seem pretty danged good at knowing what your doing when your working with one of the other factions.  Maxson even knows that you give away the thing you get from the Institute if you give it to someone else.  I built the transporter, copied all their info, came back and gave it to Sturges, and Maxson somehow knew about it.  So it's really not a stretch to me for him to know if I help Synths.

 

I never once felt herded towards meeting Danse at all on my way to DC, and I did that fairly early in the game.  I saw a radio signal, listened to it and I thought, "Huh, I'll have to check that out at some point", and went on my way.  I did feel herded towards Concord yes, but I didn't even feel herded towards DC let alone meeting Danse.

 

More than possible does not equal likely, at all.  It just means that it is very possible to happen.  Oh, and you can meet all of the factions before you join any of them.  Not a single one of them says, if you don't join at that moment in time, then you can never join at all.  I'd imagine even that if you tell Desdemona that you would not kill to save a synth, you can go back later and change your mind about that.

 

This game is just not written very well at all.  They tried to make being able to join everything make sense, but they just didn't pull it off.

 

Man...I want windows...that was one of the things that annoyed me the most with the building.

 

It's not realistic at all actually. The railroad would have no way of knowing you're with the BOS (nor would anyone else) unless people went around blabbing about it. And why would they? (or if you walked around with the BOS armor on but even then that has a helmet. Oh wait there's the paint you can throw on your clothes. In that case it'd be fair enough) Also not sure why you're trying to say "it's meant to be played more than once." as if that makes the reality that most people don't beat the game once any different. Them magically knowing isn't annoying because it doesn't cut off content but if they did why do they even know in that situation since reason is the goal? (Though Deacon could be excused for watching you and then telling Desdomna I suppose.) Also it's not replay-ability for me to be punished for a choice you made without all the information hours back. Again it'd be one thing if you got to know all the factions before this but that's not the case.

 

Except in game you don't realize they're gung ho about killing everyone (Also your only experience with synths at that point in the game can be of the plastic things trying to murder you, and feral ghouls are Feral ghous) until you've already met Maxson and that's already after you've joined them. Look I get wanting mutually exclusive factions. Trying to say "but it should just be shoved in F4 from the beginning no matter how much sense it makes!" is ridiculous. Also if you want to say "but replayability!" why wouldn't the Minutemen (who actually do have people hostile towards the BOS in it *all you have to do is actually talk to your minutemen* as well as the synths *same here* making them not that friendly with the RR) also get this treatment? If you want mutually exclusive factions from saying go to work in Fallout 4 meeting the factions in the first place would need to be redesigned full stop. Also getting to the Institute in the first place would also need to be completely changed so you could potentially do it alone or with an actual neutral party. (The minutemen can coexist with the Institute but they're hardly neutral towards them. They simply don't have the ability to attack without your support). Just...no. This is trying to force a triangle into the circle shaped hole. 

 

He knows about it because people talk about you getting into the Institute yes (and for plain plot convenience). Him knowing about you helping random synths? Who (other than a BOS member which face it they're not subtle) would find that information worthy to tell him? Also they're not that hard lined about killing synths to begin with considering you can bring Hancock and Valentine aboard the Prydwen with nary an issue other than snarky comments.

 

Fair enough. The fact that the quest automatically appeared on my radar and was on the way was more than enough for me to go there. (and judging by the percentages I am far from alone).

 

Very possible. Do you...do you know what VERY means? I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm just asking. If someone says to you "it's very possible I cheated on you." what would you think someone is saying?

 

That's a completely different arguement. Also them being mutually exclusive wouldn't improve the writing whatsoever.

 

I've got full glass institute windows, wooden windows, Some even have different color tints. Also glass floors!

[Akrabra]

That would be a bigger issue if the game wasn't amazing in every other aspect that actually matters.

That is fair enough i suppose, but at the same time not. I have to be able to hold them to the same standard as everyone else, right? So when they told that lie and didn't own up to it, it was just the same as Ubisoft did with Watch Dogs. Yes the game turned out better than Watch dogs, no doubt, but its the same thing. 

[FKA_Servo]

The biggest difference I see between Bioware and CDPR is their publishers.

I think it is safe to say that Bioware games "changed" under the dictation of EA. While a studio might care for their fans, publishers dont. Publishers only care about ROI and Bioware is not the only studio suffering under EA. Since Bioware needs EA to finance their development, EA can tell order them to do all sorts of things, from dumb down features to silly timeline. For example, Activition now has 2-3 studios crunching out COD so that they can plough their customers annually. EA does the same with the Battlefield franchise, asking Visceral to do hardline while having DICE work on Battlefront so they can be released one after the other. And there is WB and the whole Batman Arkham Knight PC port fiasco.

In short, CDP/CDPR's future depends on their independence. As long as they are independent and doing well, at worst, they would become like Valve: they wont release Half Life 3. Better sell games on Steam (in CDP's case GOG) than tarnishing their brand.

"Publishers, Publishers never change"

How come nobody piles on you for saying exactly what I'm thinking? Though I guess it's a little more optimistically stated.

I will say I'm pretty sour on valve these days too.

[Akrabra]

How come nobody piles on you for saying exactly what I'm thinking? Though I guess it's a little more optimistically stated.

I will say I'm pretty sour on valve these days too.

Its because we actually like DA:I, and since we do and actually like it as much or more than The Witcher 3 we are biased, evil monsters! That is the impression i am getting.

[Ryzaki]

Considering you agreed with a poster who said exactly this(the only GOTY the matters being the person's personal one), calling it "a voice of reason", yes. 

I've also seen the Republican polls with Trump dominating the others. Doesn't mean I have to think he is good presidential material because others think so. Same thing. Why should I care what others think? Why do you care what I think? 

 

The point is you think I hate CDPR. I do not. Case closed. 

 

...I'm sorry did the Witcher 3 attempt to run for the POTUS while showing little to no empathy or understanding of a good portion of the people of said country he's asking to lead No? I didn't think so. Can we please leave the political arguments in the gutter where they belong.

 

This is about video games. Not someone who actually is attempting to become a leader of a damn country. If CDPR was trying to become POTUS then I'd see the comparison. That could actually change people's lives significantly. As it is it's goddamn videogames.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

...I'm sorry did the Witcher 3 attempt to run from the POTUS while showing little to no empathy or understanding of a good portion of the people of said country he's asking to lead No? I didn't think so. Can we please leave the political arguments in the gutter where they belong.

 

This is about video games. Not someone who actually is attempting to become a leader of a damn country. If CDPR was trying to become POTUS then I'd see the comparison.

I just used an example of just because a lot of people like something you don't and will vote for it, it doesn't mean you have to like it and agree with that vote. I just used that example since both involve people voting and it has been in the news so I figured everyone would know it more than a more obscure example. So just relax, okay?

[FKA_Servo]

Its because we actually like DA:I, and since we do and actually like it as much or more than The Witcher 3 we are biased, evil monsters! That is the impression i am getting.

It is pretty tough to fit in on the Internet when you're afflicted with the ability to hold more than one opinion at a time.

TW3 is probably my favorite game of the past two years, though. Which doesn't negate my strong affinity for DAI. It's just edged its way up to the top.

Which I can't imagine myself saying a year ago, but there you go.

[straykat]

It shouldn't matter what others think. Play what you want.

 

But out of all awards, player and dev driven are the best imo. They're purely consumer driven. Or in the case of devs, professional. That's a good thing.

[Ryzaki]

I just used an example of just because a lot of people like something you don't and will vote for it, it doesn't mean you have to like it and agree with that vote. I just used that example since both involve people voting and it has been in the news so I figured everyone would know it more than a more obscure example. So just relax, okay?

 

You used a terrible example. It's not an opinion in a vacuum that holds no sway over someone's life like a damn video game. You'd been better off served using movies or music. Like are you really trying to say an opinion over something with could actually sway millions of people's lives is equally to someone's GOTY opinion? Really?

 

Also someone can think trump is a good president candidate all they want. They'd be an idiot but they could hold that opinion. But trying to say "oh you shouldn't care then like this." When Video games are such a damn insignificant thing in comparison is laughable.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You used a terrible example. It's not an opinion in a vaccum that holds no sway over someone's life like a damn video game. You'd been better off served using movies or music. Like are you really trying to say an opinion over something with could actually sway millions of people's lives is equally to someone's GOTY opinion? Really?

No. You're the one trying to put more context than there is.

[Ryzaki]

No. You're the one trying to put more context than there is.

 

You're the one making comparisons between two vastly different opinions with vastly different effects. It's quite easy not to GAF about someone's opinion on a multitude of subjects yet still care when those opinions have the ability to effect you. If you really can't tell the difference (or think someone's GOTY choice being the Witcher 3 has any effect on you whatsoever.) seriously?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 If you really can't tell the difference (or think someone's GOTY choice being the Witcher 3 has any effect on you whatsoever.) seriously?

I don't think someone's GOTY has any effect on me whatsoever. I just expressed my personal opinion, then a few posters freaked out. 

And with that, I'm dropping this line of dialogue. It will go nowhere constructive. 

[Ryzaki]

I don't think someone's GOTY has any effect on me whatsoever. I just expressed my personal opinion, then a few posters freaked out. 

And with that, I'm dropping this line of dialogue. It will go nowhere constructive. 

 

Then the comparison was a ludicrous one to make. People don't rail against Trump supporters simply cause it's a different opinion.

 

I also hope you'll leave the political comparisons out of non politically charged subjects in the future.

[slimgrin]

If you think their shareholders has a lot to say then you have not seen any of Marcin's interviews. How they almost made themselves bankrupt rather than someone come in and dictate what they do with their own product.

 

Pre-TW2 CDPR is a different beast than they are now. Marcin is very much concerned about shareholders, believe me. Even if they did delay the game with impunity. My biggest concern for them is focusing too much on broad appeal and to a small degree, that's already happened in TW3. For Cyberpunk I want them to show a bit more chutzpah in the game design and treat players like intelligent adults again. 

[Derrame]

not subjetive: the voice sync in tw3 is 99% perfect, better than in DAI, take a look at the germa forums here, lot of people complaining about it, that is a thingy bioware could learn from

[line_genrou]

Pre-TW2 CDPR is a different beast than they are now. Marcin is very much concerned about shareholders, believe me. Even if they did delay the game with impunity. My biggest concern for them is focusing too much on broad appeal and to a small degree, that's already happened in TW3. For Cyberpunk I want them to show a bit more chutzpah in the game design and treat players like intelligent adults again. 

 

TW1 and TW2 aren't complex games at all.

[Elhanan]

not subjetive: the voice sync in tw3 is 99% perfect, better than in DAI, take a look at the germa forums here, lot of people complaining about it, that is a thingy bioware could learn from

Am fairly certain that 99% of stats are created to be what the user wishes. And I quite enjoy choosing from four VO options, though one male and one female would have been OK for me.

[Akrabra]

TW1 and TW2 aren't complex games at all.

The writing is. Great villains, and interesting political plot. Also the character progression of The Witcher 2 is probably the best in the franchise, both from a gameplay and storytelling perspective. That is probably what has dissapointed me alot with The Witcher 3 in general, the writing is kind of meh compared to the other games. Boring villain, alot of weird retcon's etc. Also the streamlined lvling system, and potion crafting is just very lackluster. Slap a mutagen here and boost many abilities! What?

 

When i first finished the game i was so hyped, i had such an amazing journey, but then you have these moments when you just sit down and think through your entire experience and i had this "wait that doesn't make sense" moment. Same moment i had with Mass Effect 3, because when i am in the moment i just go along with the journey, but when you think over it later it can ruin the entire experience. 

 

I will have to go through the trilogy again. Play them back to back and see if that changes my perspective. Just have to find the time.

[straykat]

The writing is. Great villains, and interesting political plot. Also the character progression of The Witcher 2 is probably the best in the franchise, both from a gameplay and storytelling perspective. That is probably what has dissapointed me alot with The Witcher 3 in general, the writing is kind of meh compared to the other games. Boring villain, alot of weird retcon's etc. Also the streamlined lvling system, and potion crafting is just very lackluster. Slap a mutagen here and boost many abilities! What?

 

When i first finished the game i was so hyped, i had such an amazing journey, but then you have these moments when you just sit down and think through your entire experience and i had this "wait that doesn't make sense" moment. Same moment i had with Mass Effect 3, because when i am in the moment i just go along with the journey, but when you think over it later it can ruin the entire experience. 

 

I will have to go through the trilogy for the first time ever. Play them back to back and see if that changes my perspective. Just have to find the time.

 

Well, at least you got something out of it, in the present tense sense. I couldn't do that with ME3 at all. It veered from a looming sense of depression and doom to "where the **** is my ME2 crew?" Either way, not very fun. I actually liked the Ending though. It meant it was over.

[FKA_Servo]

The witcher 1 does not have a great villain.