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[FKA_Servo]

I don't hate Ciri, I love her relationship with Geralt and I don't think she's a terrible character alone, but I hope to never see her again.  She just seems a bit too high fantasy for my tastes.  I agree that Eredin was at least better than Cory but you're right, none of them could touch Gaunter. I was genuinely afraid of that dude.

 

I'd lay a dollar on her being some sort of easter egg in Cyberpunk, after hearing her recount her inter dimensional travels to Geralt.

 

I don't know if that would be stupid, though, but possibly that's just because I'm not supremely invested. If there were an explicit lore link made between DA and ME, I know that I'd probably just set fire to all my Bioware games.

[straykat]

I don't recall Cyberpunk having much to do with interdimensions It's very techie and gun based.

[FKA_Servo]

I don't recall Cyberpunk having much to do with interdimensions It's very techie and gun based.

 

It doesn't, per se. But in one of her tales to Geralt, she related seeing people with what sounded like cybernetic implants, flying cars, built up cities, and the like. Geralt singled that one tale out in particular as sounding ridiculous, which sort of calls attention to it in my mind.

 

Maybe we'll see her popping out of a portal in the background of some other shot, Cloverfield style.

 

Yeah, that would probably be pretty stupid.

[straykat]

IMO, DA went off track politically around DA 2.  I actually like DA 2 more than DAI but everything was so over exaggerated in that game it was hard to even take it seriously. It was a comical mess. I eventually wanted the option to high tail it out of Kirkwall on Isabella's ship and just leave all those crazies to rot.

 

True. I think the strife between Petrice/Arishok was cool though. And how humans/Qunari were vying for elves. Stuff like Crazed Elf was deep **** actually. imo. Then the little hipster noble siding with the Qun. lol. The self-blame of the privileged.. it's realistic.

 

While Act 1 was like Scarface. You and Varric are like Tony and Manny. Or more like, you're just Tony. Varric isn't an immigrant.

[line_genrou]

The praise for TW2 reminded me of this

 

 

I absolutely loved this after credits scene

[SnakeCode]

DA was doing fine with it's mix of epic and politics and other mundane matters. It's only in Inquisition it went off track. The game I expected things to get more intriguing. Not worse.

 

I have no grounding for this, but I want to blame Weekes.. just because he's new and I suspect he looked at the background/lore bible or whatever they got and decided to masturbate with all of it. That's how noobs are usually.

 

Or maybe David Gaider engaged in a bit more self-hate and thought this is what people really want. He's wrong. If that wasn't so, you'd see movies and all kinds of books engaging in this. Even the very father of Epic storytelling just talks about mundane stuff. Homer just wrote about a guy trying to get home. Or warring over women. lol

 

I think a big problem that Inquisition had, and TW3 didn't, was that the writers relied too heavily on the extended universe to tell the story. Hawke and Corypheus mostly were a product of DA2 and it's DLC. You were expected to have played DA2 going into Inquisition. Then there was the plethora of stuff you needed to have read The Masked Empire to have a firm understanding of. The whole plot between Gaspard, Celine and Briala (including all of their character development and motivations) and the stuff with Michel and Imshael chief among them. There was stuff from the other novels, like Cole's past in there as well.

 

I can see Inquisition being something of a confusing mess for those who haven't played the previous titles as well as indulged in the EU.

[straykat]

I think a big problem that Inquisition had, and TW3 didn't, was that the writers relied too heavily on the extended universe to tell the story. Hawke and Corypheus mostly were a product of DA2 and it's DLC. You were expected to have played DA2 going into Inquisition. Then there was the plethora of stuff you needed to have read The Masked Empire to have a firm understanding of. The whole plot between Gaspard, Celine and Briala (including all of their character development and motivations) and the stuff with Michel and Imshael chief among them. There was stuff from the other novels, like Cole's past in there as well.

 

I can see Inquisition being something of a confusing mess for those who haven't played the previous titles as well as indulged in the EU.

 

But I did involve myself in all of those things, and still ended up disappointed. Those stories kept it from going too much into high fantasy territory. They had intrigue and political conflicts that weren't easy to get out of. Then DAI relied on a childish story instead. And a protag divorced from much of the context. I wanted to be an Inquisitor. Not the mysterious hero from nowhere, touched by the "ancient object of power #324". This way you can plow through these plots, by virtue of your Chosen One status. Forget about actually tackling them like real people do...let alone inquisition movements. Which are often shaped with purging, dread, and war. I don't know any that are umbrella hippy organizations.

[Elhanan]

I think a big problem that Inquisition had, and TW3 didn't, was that the writers relied too heavily on the extended universe to tell the story. Hawke and Corypheus mostly were a product of DA2 and it's DLC. You were expected to have played DA2 going into Inquisition. Then there was the plethora of stuff you needed to have read The Masked Empire to have a firm understanding of. The whole plot between Gaspard, Celine and Briala (including all of their character development and motivations) and the stuff with Michel and Imshael chief among them. There was stuff from the other novels, like Cole's past in there as well.
 
I can see Inquisition being something of a confusing mess for those who haven't played the previous titles as well as indulged in the EU.

While I have played DA2 and the DLC, I have not read the books, and was able to play all the Orlesian material without problems. I am not a lore monger - same for TES games - but still mange well for the game itself.

No problem here, IMO.

[Ashelsu]

I just finished second playthrough, this time in English making different decisions, so here are some chaotic thoughts. Even basically knowing what to expect, personal experience was still pretty brutal

Spoiler

Baron, Keira, Olgierd, Ciri and I suppose Geralt were dead, Radovid and Svanrige were kings and such things.

And I can't even say that this Geralt and his decisions were muhaha evil, just different, presenting moral dilemmas even in small quests. I felt the only time there were no doubts what to do when deciding Jr. fate.

On the first playthrough I mostly followed the story, used fast travel a lot and missed a lot of side content, for example: Geralt ran along the road in Velen on some business and a peasant asked him to track his horse.

Spoiler

Turned out the squirrels stole the horse and you have several choices - kill the elves, persuade their leader to return it (and you can then bring back right or wrong horse) or just decide that knife ears need it more.

And this is just a tiny sidequest you can easily miss.

These choices were something I felt were lacking in DAI. I remember finding a letter about two brothers, a templar and a mage. So here I was preparing to find and to support one of them or maybe to reconcile them even, right? Haha. You know how that went. I love reading codex about ancient history or Thedas nations but this, no. I want to participate in events that happen around me, not to read about them. And even when there are actual quests your only choice is to just accept it or to decline.

I still don't like english Geralt   Even during the wedding in HoS Vlodimir sounded the same unemotional monotone, and it did not suite this character at all, in my opinion. But other NPC were great, especially Ciri and Yennefer.

I'm going to wait for Blood and Wine and then to play in polish to keep thing fresh and to get complete experience.

 

After reading Asunder and Masked Empire I was actually disappointed to meet Celine etc in the game (did not live to expectations) and surprised so many people in Thedas write notes, letters and diaries when in Asunder it was said that most commoners are illiterate.

[Ryzaki]

After reading Asunder and Masked Empire I was actually disappointed to meet Celine etc in the game (did not live to expectations) and surprised so many people in Thedas write notes, letters and diaries when in Asunder it was said that most commoners are illiterate.

 

 

...that'd odd given there's signs in a freaking elven alienage in origins and your PC is fully capable of reading as an elf or even a dwarven castless. If anything I thought literacy was pretty decent. Sounds more like Asunder was the error in this case.

 

The only companion we ever had who was incapable of reading was Fenris and it seemed more of a result of him being a slave than anything.

[Ashelsu]

...that'd odd given there's signs in a freaking elven alienage in origins and your PC is fully capable of reading as an elf or even a dwarven castless. If anything I thought literacy was pretty decent. Sounds more like Asunder was the error in this case.

 

The only companion we ever had who was incapable of reading was Fenris and it seemed more of a result of him being a slave than anything.

Asunder took place in Orlais and at first I thought it was just Orlesian thing, but considering that half of the maps in DAI are Orlesian...  I was confused.

[Ryzaki]

Asunder took place in Orlais and at first I thought it was just Orlesian thing, but considering that half of the maps in DAI are Orlesian...  I was confused.

 

Yeah. That's just a weird issue. Least it's not a deception though

[Ashelsu]

Yeah. That's just a weird issue. Least it's not a deception though

Unless Evangeline lied on purpose.

Drooling over X-COM 2 now... So much customization! 

[Lawrence0294]

Yeah. That's just a weird issue. Least it's not a deception though

What is this book named "Decepetion" that you are talking about ?

 

I believe you must be mistaken, no Mass Effect book bearing that name ever existed.....ever.

[Hazegurl]

I'd lay a dollar on her being some sort of easter egg in Cyberpunk, after hearing her recount her inter dimensional travels to Geralt.

 

I don't know if that would be stupid, though, but possibly that's just because I'm not supremely invested. If there were an explicit lore link made between DA and ME, I know that I'd probably just set fire to all my Bioware games.

 

I hope she stays a short Easter Egg in Cyberpunk and not someone I have to aid in missions or something. I really don't want that terrible white frost story leaking into that game. 

 

As for DA and ME. Apparently Krogans were a thing if we were to go by this ME Easter egg.

 

Spoiler

 

 

True. I think the strife between Petrice/Arishok was cool though. And how humans/Qunari were vying for elves. Stuff like Crazed Elf was deep **** actually. imo. Then the little hipster noble siding with the Qun. lol. The self-blame of the privileged.. it's realistic.

 

While Act 1 was like Scarface. You and Varric are like Tony and Manny. Or more like, you're just Tony. Varric isn't an immigrant.

I'm one of the few people who liked Petrice. lol!  I think the Qunari story could have been a good one that could have set the stage for a full scale invasion by the Qun.  But I think the execution was poorly done and it wraps up in one act and no matter what happens with the Qun's supposed sacred text, we only hear the threat of an invasion. Same for DAI. The writers kept letting IB tell us how horrifying an invasion would be, and how fearsome they all are, but without actually seeing it, it provides very little excitement or reason to care. 

[straykat]

 

 

I'm one of the few people who liked Petrice. lol!  I think the Qunari story could have been a good one that could have set the stage for a full scale invasion by the Qun.  But I think the execution was poorly done and it wraps up in one act and no matter what happens with the Qun's supposed sacred text, we only hear the threat of an invasion. Same for DAI. The writers kept letting IB tell us how horrifying an invasion would be, and how fearsome they all are, but without actually seeing it, it provides very little excitement or reason to care. 

 

I like Varnell more than Petrice actually. If only because he has similar beliefs, but isn't such a weasel about it. It's even more remarkable that he never comments on whether you're a mage. And she's willing to use him too. He's Petrice's other victim in a way.

 

i can only hope they're merely trying to set the stage for Qunari stuff. Making us declare where we stand first in our playthroughs. But maybe I'm giving them too much credit. I think Hawke is good for that.. just to get our feet wet. Hawke is torn between Tevinter slavers, elves, Qunari, templars, mages.

 

Bull is just a joke character. And isn't very good as an intro for any new players about the Qunari either.

[FKA_Servo]

I hope she stays a short Easter Egg in Cyberpunk and not someone I have to aid in missions or something. I really don't want that terrible white frost story leaking into that game. 

 

As for DA and ME. Apparently Krogans were a thing if we were to go by this ME Easter egg.

 

Spoiler

 

Yep, and ogres are a thing in ME if we go by Kasumi's DLC. Easter eggs are coo.' The problems start when they decide that lyrium is eezo or establish Thedas as being on the garden world at the end of ME3. That's when I bust out the matches.

 

I shouldn't give them ideas.

[ashwind]

The praise for TW2 reminded me of this

 

 

I absolutely loved this after credits scene

 

 

Maybe I am reading too much into in but I see that scene as a summary of TW2, metaphorically.

 

Woods: Loc Muinne

The Villager: Northern Nobles/Kings

The Wabbit: Temeria/Aedirn

Nilfgaard: Nilfgaard

 

[Ryzaki]

My issue with Peatrice is she had the biggest but thou most plot induced stupidity in the game.

[Wolven_Soul]

I just tend to take issue with the idea that a battle seasoned, century old badass still starts at level 1 with no toys, which I hate. Yeah, yeah, gameplay reasons, but whatever.

 

Starting with a full complement of talents and alchemy formulae is far more satisfying. And since it's not like I'm unlocking anymore slots, I assume the game will just get harder rather than easier on DM. That's my hope at least.

 

Yeah, I would love to see a game that manages to pull off good character progression with a character that should already be a badass.  It would be challenging I'm sure but surely there has to be a way.

[Wolven_Soul]

Sorry, but your avatar on two different forums has been that of a woman. You might have mentioned your gender before but I haven't really noticed it / paid attention to it. Really sorry for making the assumption.

 

As am I for the time I did it.  

[straykat]

My issue with Peatrice is she had the biggest but thou most plot induced stupidity in the game.

 

Not sure what you mean. You mean in the beginning with helping the Saarebas? Then I agree. They should have handled that the way they did the Last Sacrifice. It works with your Mother's death, whether or not you pursued Emeric's case in Act 1.

[Wolven_Soul]

I think a big problem that Inquisition had, and TW3 didn't, was that the writers relied too heavily on the extended universe to tell the story. Hawke and Corypheus mostly were a product of DA2 and it's DLC. You were expected to have played DA2 going into Inquisition. Then there was the plethora of stuff you needed to have read The Masked Empire to have a firm understanding of. The whole plot between Gaspard, Celine and Briala (including all of their character development and motivations) and the stuff with Michel and Imshael chief among them. There was stuff from the other novels, like Cole's past in there as well.

 

I can see Inquisition being something of a confusing mess for those who haven't played the previous titles as well as indulged in the EU.

 

Yeah, I have to agree that I get tired of franchises that punish you for not having read books based on the games that your playing.  Extending a universe into other forms of media is perfectly fine and okay, after all I would give up my video games before I gave up my books, but I don't want to have to read a book to understand what is going on in a game. 

 

Especially when the one time I read a book based on a game, it was the novelization of Arthas' life in the Warcraft universe, and it was awwwwffffuuuulllll.

 

I've stayed away from such books since then.

[Ryzaki]

Not sure what you mean. You mean in the beginning with helping the Saarebas? Then I agree. They should have handled that the way they did the Last Sacrifice. It works with your Mother's death, whether or not you pursued Emeric's case in Act 1.

 

Yep. You can go "lol no" leave and the game literally refuses to proceed until you did it. Even though it had squat to do with anything in chapter 1.

[Wolven_Soul]

 

I I remember finding a letter about two brothers, a templar and a mage. So here I was preparing to find and to support one of them or maybe to reconcile them even, right? Haha. You know how that went. I love reading codex about ancient history or Thedas nations but this, no. I want to participate in events that happen around me, not to read about them. And even when there are actual quests your only choice is to just accept it or to decline.

I still don't like english Geralt   Even during the wedding in HoS Vlodimir sounded the same unemotional monotone, and it did not suite this character at all, in my opinion. But other NPC were great, especially Ciri and Yennefer.

I'm going to wait for Blood and Wine and then to play in polish to keep thing fresh and to get complete experience.

 

 

That one quest you mentioned is the same one that I often use to describe my feelings with DA:I's side content.  It really sums it up rather well.

 

I actually thought there was a lot of subtlety in the English Geralt's performance.  He seems unemotional a lot of the time, but there are certain moments where you hear a little something in his voice that underlines what he is feeling.  To each their own though.