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[ashwind]

I too am under the impression that Bethesda leaves a lot to the modding community. From Morrowind to Skyrim, I find myself at some point looking for mods to fix things like attribute points not awarded properly when I gain levels because I did it a certain way, quest not triggering/starting properly because again I did something to some NPC etc. (Yeah, freaking Bethesda never got off their lousy arses to fix many of such bugs because it only happen rarely when you do this and then that.)

 

UI mods like SkyUI will benefit most especially M/K users because imo - Skyrim has crap for UI and they didnt even try. These mods I believe falls under the - realizing the game's true potential mods.

 

As for other mods, those are totally subjective. Some like certain mods while others dont.

 

Texture overhaul, lighting, weather effects, ENB, immersive mods etc however are optional and I dont think they qualify as realizing the game's potential mod. The game was not design to handle many things back in 2011 and earlier still when they were developing it. These mods are actually pushing the engine beyond its intended limits - which is why it actually requires decent modern hardware to run smoothly.

 

I do use some texture mods, face mods, etc but mild ones and they have to fit it well with the original design and feel. In general, I dont like the ultra-sharp textures mods because they look too fake and because the engine does not fully support tessellation and hence many of the sharp texture mod makes the game looks worse to my eyes. Even when bump maps and parallax were added to some texture, because the base engine is not design to fully take advantage of DX11, They still dont look right. I dont like them. As for lighting mods, I own multiple monitors and some of the lighting mods simply makes the game too dark on one monitor because that monitor has very good black pixels - black is really black.

 

To me, texture, lighting, atmosphere has to come in a package. If they dont look totally natural together, I find it very disturbing and hence dont use them. cos sharper is not always better in my book. 

 

In short you are all correct

[Elhanan]

Different opinions then. However, I doubt I am alone in this thought process, since Bethesda's unofficial motto seems to be "Mods will fix" and with mods coming to consoles now, this rings truer than ever.
 
I could never play Skyrim without a complete texture overhaul, ENB, lighting/weather overhaul, swords and bows remodeled, immersive armours and weapons, werewolf/vampire overhaul, audio overhaul, new weapons and armours and the mod that brings them all together, Skyre. Sames goes for FO3 and F:NV, with their respective FWE and PN mods.
 
I'm actually thinking of reinstalling Skyrim now, seems like T3ndo has given up modding for now, which sucks. Hopefully an equally talented modder or team can overhaul FO4, just as they did once for FO3, with FWE.

I do not use overhauls as a rule; simply try and tinker with Vanilla. And I do recommend Climates of Tamriel for all modders; my fave mod in Skyrim.

[Dread-Reaper]

I too am under the impression that Bethesda leaves a lot to the modding community. From Morrowind to Skyrim, I find myself at some point looking for mods to fix things like attribute points not awarded properly when I gain levels because I did it a certain way, quest not triggering/starting properly because again I did something to some NPC etc. (Yeah, freaking Bethesda never got off their lousy arses to fix many of such bugs because it only happen rarely when you do this and then that.)

 

UI mods like SkyUI will benefit most especially M/K users because imo - Skyrim has crap for UI and they didnt even try. These mods I believe falls under the - realizing the game's true potential mods.

 

As for other mods, those are totally subjective. Some like certain mods while others dont.

 

Texture overhaul, lighting, weather effects, ENB, immersive mods etc however are optional and I dont think they qualify as realizing the game's potential mod. The game was not design to handle many things back in 2011 and earlier still when they were developing it. These mods are actually pushing the engine beyond its intended limits - which is why it actually requires decent modern hardware to run smoothly.

 

I do use some texture mods, face mods, etc but mild ones and they have to fit it well with the original design and feel. In general, I dont like the ultra-sharp textures mods because they look too fake and because the engine does not fully support tessellation and hence many of the sharp texture mod makes the game looks worse to my eyes. Even when bump maps and parallax were added to some texture, because the base engine is not design to fully take advantage of DX11, They still dont look right. I dont like them. As for lighting mods, I own multiple monitors and some of the lighting mods simply makes the game too dark on one monitor because that monitor has very good black pixels - black is really black.

 

To me, texture, lighting, atmosphere has to come in a package. If they dont look totally natural together, I find it very disturbing and hence dont use them. cos sharper is not always better in my book. 

 

In short you are all correct

My two most essential mods are SkyUI and Skyre/Perkus, without those the game is unplayable to me. This isn't to say vanilla Skyrim is bad, it's just that I've become accustomed them and without them, the game as whole becomes a lesser experience. The other mods are what propels the game from passable to great, I can no longer settle for okay since I've already tasted greatness. It constantly shocks me just how ugly this game is when you've gotten so used to playing with Skyrim 2k, smim, CoT and an ENB. Shame though the game can only use 3gb of ram before it craps itself, but like with the rest of Bethesda's games, there's a mod to fix that.

 

I am really curious as to how Bethesda will handle patches once mods come to consoles, assuming the unofficial patch will be one of them.

 

I do not use overhauls as a rule; simply try and tinker with Vanilla. And I do recommend Climates of Tamriel for all modders; my fave mod in Skyrim.

Will agree with you there, Climates of Tamriel is probably the best weather mod for Skyrim.

[Elhanan]

My two most essential mods are SkyUI and Skyre/Perkus, without those the game is unplayable to me. This isn't to say vanilla Skyrim is bad, it's just that I've become accustomed them and without them, the game as whole becomes a lesser experience. The other mods are what propels the game from passable to great, I can no longer settle for okay since I've already tasted greatness. It constantly shocks me just how ugly this game is when you've gotten so used to playing with Skyrim 2k, smim, CoT and an ENB. Shame though the game can only use 3gb of ram before it craps itself, but like with the rest of Bethesda's games, there's a mod to fix that.
 
I am really curious as to how Bethesda will handle patches once mods come to consoles, assuming the unofficial patch will be one of them.
 
Will agree with you there, Climates of Tamriel is probably the best weather mod for Skyrim.

While I do not use ENB's (esp as there does not seem to be a consensus on what this acronym means, and I am fairly Techless), the combo of CoT and ELFX make Skyrim appear to be straight from the Fantasy calendars seen in gaming shops. As for Combat mods, I use Ultimate Combat, Deadly Dragons, Balanced Magic, and High Lvl Enemies; only Perks Unbound to allow for more versatile selections there.

Now I use about 100 mods; only 20 on my previous system. And while they do add a lot of replay value, I am still satisfied with Vanilla and most DLC.

[Xetykins]

TW3 is the only game I do not want to mod exept for silly horse mod because let's face it, Roach is a member of My Little Pony ( mule)

[Ryzaki]

I use ordinator. Highly compatible and bearable. Not much of a Skyre fan.

[nici2412]

Witcher 3 won the user voting for best ps4 game, best story, best soundtrack(yeah!), best expansion and CDProject Red for best studio on the official playstation blog.

 

"The polls are closed, the votes tallied, and the winners selected. We asked you what the best games of 2015 were, and you responded in kind — with nearly 600,000 votes in total, this has been our biggest Game of the Year event ever."

 

"The Witcher 3 got a lot of love this year, and it’s easy to see why. From its unbelievably massive scale to its engaging and unforgettable characters, CD Projekt Red’s opus in open world storytelling beat industry goliaths Bloodborne, Fallout 4 and even Metal Gear Solid V for the title of “Best PS4 Game.”"

http://blog.us.plays...he-year-awards/

[panzerwzh]

Witcher 3 won the user voting for best ps4 game, best story, best soundtrack(yeah!), best expansion and CDProject Red for best studio on the official playstation blog.

 

"The polls are closed, the votes tallied, and the winners selected. We asked you what the best games of 2015 were, and you responded in kind — with nearly 600,000 votes in total, this has been our biggest Game of the Year event ever."

 

"The Witcher 3 got a lot of love this year, and it’s easy to see why. From its unbelievably massive scale to its engaging and unforgettable characters, CD Projekt Red’s opus in open world storytelling beat industry goliaths Bloodborne, Fallout 4 and even Metal Gear Solid V for the title of “Best PS4 Game.”"

http://blog.us.plays...he-year-awards/

Best soundtrack! Finally, TW3 really would not be that awesome without its soundtrack.

[nici2412]

Best soundtrack! Finally, TW3 really would not be that awesome without its soundtrack.

yeah I'm actually happier about that goty than the overall best ps4 game one.

I'm still shocked how many times the soundtrack wasn't even nominated for goty

[NKnight7]

Best soundtrack! Finally, TW3 really would not be that awesome without its soundtrack.

 

I agree! The soundtrack was amazing, I love the songs that play when just traveling across the world, especially in Skellige.

[Wolven_Soul]

Might just be me but im having a lot more fun in f4 than in witcher 3 and for now ive shelved w3
Why
1) its much better than f3 and new vegas (in my opinion).
2) crafting and settlement building. Sorry better than w3 crafting and i cant think of another game that does settlement building
4) stealth. Whether its sneaking up or around an enemy or scouting out an area its something u cant do in w3 or dai
5) man or woman out of time . Meaning i truly feel like im watching/participating on one of my favorite shows/movies/books as a kid /adultlike lost in space, the mist, The road, war of the worlds, etc and they rolled into one fun world
6) you are truly rewarded for doing fetch quests/exploring. Certain ingredients/material ammo are rare so it pays to explore and more immersive than other games
7) other than the main npcs in w3 most townsfolk have no dialogue and are basically bots. During settlement building i can trade,assign, move settlers etc.
8 i can use the environment. From reprogramming robots to flushing out enemies with grenades etc i have many more options in tactics
9) immersion-from settlement building, scrounging for ammo to radiation storms its more all around immersive
10) my character is much more likeable. Gerault is a grumpy van helsing mercenary. Im sorry but my wanderer or dai inquisitor is much more fun to interact with npcs and there is much more of this is my character and he/she is unique. Having no companions or even an option really makes gerault not feel like hes your character. When i played pen/paper rpgs i wanted my own and not my friends character and not alone but in a group

 

I wish I could say the same.  I wanted to love FO4 but the best I can say is that I like it.  The only part of FO4 that I think is better than previous games is the gunplay.  They strip the RPG elements far to much to call it better than FO3 or NV.  

 

It's pretty bad to when your side quests are so dull that DA:I's are better.  Because at least in that game you have the companion quests which were pretty good, and a few others that were a little decent.  

 

I didn't like the settlement building all that much so all the material gathering didn't mean that much to me.  

 

Definitely have to disagree about FO:4 being more likable than Geralt.  There was a lot more subtlety in Geralt's character, and there were a few really great moments where you can feel his emotions on the verge of erupting and spilling over.  The voice acting for FO4's playable character are good, but the bad dialogue choices don't give that performance much of a chance to shine.  I thought people were exaggerating before I played it, but most of the dialogue options really are yes, no, sarcastic, question.  

 

I like the game, but there are some important areas for me where it really lets me down.

[Wolven_Soul]

TW3 is the only game I do not want to mod exept for silly horse mod because let's face it, Roach is a member of My Little Pony ( mule)

 

Yeah, I will take a game that is amazing in it's own right over a game that has to be modded to reach that level every time.

[Elhanan]

Yeah, I will take a game that is amazing in it's own right over a game that has to be modded to reach that level every time.

Like DAI; no mods at all....

[Lawrence0294]

Like DAI; no mods at all....

I'm the opposite for DA:I, I use a pretty substantial list of mods to enhance the experience (and to make it bearable in certain areas).

[Elhanan]

I'm the opposite for DA:I, I use a pretty substantial list of mods to enhance the experience (and to make it bearable in certain areas).

I quite understand; for TW3, there is no game at all....

[slimgrin]

I quite understand; for TW3, there is no game at all....

 

You'd save yourself a lot of angst by just skipping this thread. This is basically OT, not even a Witcher thread really. 

[ashwind]

 

I didn't like the settlement building all that much so all the material gathering didn't mean that much to me.  

 

 

That be why you dont like FO4 much I thinks because settlement building however unpolished can be pretty fun for many. Although I agree with those who claim that the mechanics feels like an after thought and not implemented properly - god, how hard is it to lemme flatten a piece of land.

 

IMO Bethesda games never spell things out for you with any detail. They provide a backdrop and the player will fill in the blanks with their own imagination. Thus many who play FO4 for the first 100hours are so enjoy it a lot; myself included. It is darn addictive. Pass the 100 hour mark though, some players with absolutely no loyalty and ****** for attention span (like me) will start to lose general interest in many aspect of the game.

 

I played on survival from the get go and was expecting resources to be very scares. I conserve ammo and resources carefully. 100 hours later... I am literally carrying 100k++ ammunition of all sorts, thousands of food, tens of thousands of meat (darn it, why cant I cook 100 - 300 steak at once and have to click one by one). I even have a huge collection of Power Armor painted and modded with different variation. 

 

ps:   I actually spent more intimate time with my concubines in FO4 than all the other games I have played to date combined. Pick a few locks and you get laid . You learn faster after getting laid. So I bring one of my concubine with me most of the time. Sleep with them whenever I can find a spot because XP 

 

Yip - concubines. Calling them LI would be an insult to my LI in other games, it cheapens them all and it is a desecration to my fond memories of them. 

[Lawrence0294]

I quite understand; for TW3, there is no game at all....

Euh....what do you mean ?

[Akrabra]

Yeah, I will take a game that is amazing in it's own right over a game that has to be modded to reach that level every time.

Funny, i have have always seen mods as a way to iron out some of the smaller annoyances I have with a game. I have never played a game without some small stuff that i find irritating, that goes for even my favourite games. Thing is that if the game is good, i can just ignore it, but when the game is good, and also lets me remove it or fix it, why shouldn't i?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yip - concubines. Calling them LI would be an insult to my LI in other games, it cheapens them all and it is a desecration to my fond memories of them. 

How dare you sully Curie's honor. I challenge you to a duel, sir. 

[Elhanan]

Funny, i have have always seen mods as a way to air out some of the smaller annoyances you have with a game. I have never played a game without some small stuff that i find irritating, that goes for even my favourite games ever. Thing is that if the game is good, i can just ignore it, but when the game is good, but also lets me remove it or fix it, why shouldn't i?

Somewhat agree. DAO is one of my fave games, and I still recommend the Respec mod, Extra Dog Slot, and Lock Bash.

[ashwind]

How dare you sully Curie's honor. I challenge you to a duel, sir. 

 

   

 

  I aint dueling anyone for the honor of some ignorant AI possessed Synthetic corpse who that is horny because of sensory overload. Doing so would imply that they have honor to begin with.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

   

 

  I aint dueling anyone for the honor of some ignorant AI possessed Synthetic corpse who that is horny because of sensory overload. Doing so would imply that they have honor to begin with.

Horny? She never even brings up sex once, other than being confused at people catcalling her. It's emotions she is experiencing, not urges. Even if you sleep in a bed with her, she is the only one to never refer to sex happening. 

 

Now, you know who doesn't have honor? Triss and Yennefer.

[ashwind]

Horny? She never even brings up sex once, other than being confused at people catcalling her. It's emotions she is experiencing, not urges. Even if you sleep in a bed with her, she is the only one to never refer to sex happening. 

 

Now, you know who doesn't have honor? Triss and Yennefer.

 

What can I say, I prefer adults  - both physically and mentally matured adults.

[Dread-Reaper]

Funny, i have have always seen mods as a way to air out some of the smaller annoyances I have with a game. I have never played a game without some small stuff that i find irritating, that goes for even my favourite games. Thing is that if the game is good, i can just ignore it, but when the game is good, and also lets me remove it or fix it, why shouldn't i?

Then those small annoyances keep adding up, next thing you know you've got well over 200 mods installed and are 10hrs it a really fun playthrough. Then Bethesda patches the game to 1.6, breaking all your mods. Then you give up and wait for them to be done with the game and when you come back you find that the game is even worse than when you stopped. Then the games caps out at 45fps, no matter the setting.

 

Then you uninstall and reinstall the game over the course of a year. Constantly trying to fix the problem, trying for so long that your once 267hrs played on Steam increases to 490.Then you fork over $500 for GTX 780, just to be able to play at 60fps with no stutters, but the game still runs at 45fps no matter what. So you decide to reinstall Windows and find out that it actually fixed the frame-rate problem, but know you have a new problem. You start a vanilla game to run some tests and notice that your arrows aren't hitting anyone. So you wait until the prologue is over to test it some more, only to find out that all the arrows you shot are constantly bouncing back towards on the ground, making archery impossible.

 

So you start a new save game and everything is working perfectly, so you set a weekend aside to start downloading some mods and another to watch Gopher's mod organizer tutorials. So you start installing mods slowly, testing them to make sure everything is working fine. You get all the mods installed flawlessly, the game is running at a smooth 60fps, no stutters, with many graphical mods and a beautiful ENB. This is it, this when your true Skyrim playthrough begins, you have yet to play the Dragonborn DLC, so the thought of official new content is overwhelming. Then the game crashes whenever you health goes below 50% and since you decided to install Skyre, that happens pretty often. Then you uninstall Skyrim, delete all your mods and give up on life.

 

However, you remember a game, a fairly old game, a game you very much enjoyed, yet haven't played it for quite sometime. The name of the game resonates with you, "Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines" and all you needed was one community to patch and you'd set to play. Shame though, that you're a complete wuss when it comes to horror games, because now you remember the dreaded 'Ocean House Hotel' level and with that, ends your VTM:B playthrough.