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[ThePhoenixKing]

Happy New Year all.

 

Finally bought and play The Witcher Enhanced Edition because Steam sale and I think I can understand better why some dont like Triss... to me her relationship with Geralt is...

 

For those who love TW2 and TW3 and havent tried TW1, I highly recommend it. After experiencing TW1, I feel that CDPR has TW3 in mind when they were making TW1 and TW1 ultimately evolved into TW3 - both story and game mechanics (small improvement overtime can go a long way). I see evidence of TW3 being the game they have wanted to make since the beginning and they never faltered despite some hard time along the way - kudos CDPR for their resolution.

 

TW1 has quite a few issues - random unresponsiveness, clunky movement, technical issues here and there, pacing etc. However it is still a solid experience for any Witcher fan. How good do I think it is? Well, I was playing FO4 and didnt think that any game can pull me away from the addiction of collecting garbage and building settlements... until I tried TW1 for its infamous combat. 3 hours into the game... I am hooked. 300 hours of juvenile conversation/plots/story that is FO4 has finally taken its toll. TW1 won me over with it is deep, dark and believable world settings that slaughtered the alternative easily. Gonna start a complete trilogy play though after this 

 

Steam Sale is not over - go get it if you are a fan of TW3! Experience the TW1 the prequel and I promise you it is not Star Wars prequel

 

Finally back on topic: Dragon Age stands to learn from TW trilogy is the sense of continuity. Mass Effect Trilogy does this very well too so Bioware has nothing to learn from CDPR but the Dragon Age team stands to learn a lot from TW and ME in this department because each DA installment feels like a different game that is as related to one another by vague lore and cameos.

 

TW trilogy hinted that the developers had a plan and a vision when they started out and kept pushing on despite the most difficult times. Bioware... simply improvise along the way... I sort of prefer the former...

 

You raise a great point about the sense of continuity in the Witcher, and it's something that Dragon Age lacks, to its detriment. In The Wild Hunt, you can see how all of Geralt's relationships (romantic and otherwise) shape the tapestry of his life, and the story benefits from these connections immensely. I hear a lot of talk about how the DA franchise is supposed to be about the time period, and not any given character, etc, and I can't help but feel how unfocused and disjointed it all ends up becoming. Certainly the Witcher games have a stronger sense of place than Inquisition did, and they've never forced long-standing characters to carry the Idiot Ball or randomly become corrupt for the sake of the plot (cough, the Wardens, and no, I'm not letting that go). You also have to admire CDPR's desire not to compromise their vision. They're certainly not letting accusations of "problematic!" define their every storytelling choice.

 

P.S. Charlie Murphy would be perfect for yenna in any TV drama or movies for TW series.

 

 

The Last Kingdom, %@&$ yeah!

 

Inquisition received most GOTY awards in 2014. Why? Because it barely had any contest when it came to triple A titles, meanwhile W3 went up against Fallout and MGS, both franchises that are more than decades old before Witcher franchise found it's way into gaming world.

 

To be fair, 2014 wasn't exactly a wasteland in gaming. Honestly, between Shadows of Mordor and Wolfenstein: the New Order, there's no way Inquisition should have gotten GOTY from anyone (The New Order is simply fantastic).

 

I like the Witcher ending. I know it is to much of a happy ending for some, but every now and then a happy ending is nice

 

Yeah, it's a very good ending, made all the better by the fact that you really have to work at it to earn it. That said, the Empress Ciri ending isn't bad either.

[Wolven_Soul]

While I haven't seen how it plays out exactly (I did the witcher ending, which I thought was keen), knowing what I know, I feel like pushing her to meet Emhyr, particularly right then, is completely inappropriate. Which is the whole issue for me - yeah, maybe empress would be her choice, but the catalyst for that choice is Geralt bringing her to Emhyr. I just have a tough time justifying that in the first place.

 

Though I'm gonna do it in the NG+, I think.

 

That's kinda how I felt my first time through.  When I eventually get the game again for the PS4 though I am gonna take her to meet Emhyr just to see that ending.  I don't think I will ever be able to bring myself to force the ending where she dies though.  I haven't even watched that one on Youtube.  

[Wolven_Soul]

 

 

 

To be fair, 2014 wasn't exactly a wasteland in gaming. Honestly, between Shadows of Mordor and Wolfenstein: the New Order, there's no way Inquisition should have gotten GOTY from anyone (The New Order is simply fantastic).

 

 

 

 

Haven't played Wolfenstein yet, though I have heard great thing about it.  I have played Shadows of Mordor and it is a fantastic game.  The Nemesis system was just really cool, and the free form combat system really worked there.  The executions were so much fun to pull off.  The story was fairly decent as well.  

[ThePhoenixKing]

Haven't played Wolfenstein yet, though I have heard great thing about it.  I have played Shadows of Mordor and it is a fantastic game.  The Nemesis system was just really cool, and the free form combat system really worked there.  The executions were so much fun to pull off.  The story was fairly decent as well.  

 

Yeah, it's GOTY-worthy for the Nemesis System alone. Some people have just dismissed the game as "Assassin's Creed in Middle-Earth", but if that's the case, it's the best AC game in years.

 

And The New Order (and The Old Blood expansion) are totally worth the purchase too. There's actually some really great character writing in the game that doesn't get nearly enough attention, particular with the BJ/Anya romance.

[ashwind]

While I haven't seen how it plays out exactly (I did the witcher ending, which I thought was keen), knowing what I know, I feel like pushing her to meet Emhyr, particularly right then, is completely inappropriate. Which is the whole issue for me - yeah, maybe empress would be her choice, but the catalyst for that choice is Geralt bringing her to Emhyr. I just have a tough time justifying that in the first place.

 

Though I'm gonna do it in the NG+, I think.

 

If you do not feel that it is appropriate to tell her about Emhyr wanting to meet her (there is no pushing btw) and/or it is not the right time because of -reasons-. That is absolutely valid. I can agree to that.

 

What I do not agree is that the meeting is a "catalyst" of some sort for her choice of becoming Empress. Does it even matter? 

 

Scenario 1: She has the choice to become a Witcher and ,,,, nothing else.

Scenario 2: She has the choice to become a Witcher or Empress

 

Because if we are concern about this "catalyst", we should also be concern that scenarios 1 is like Kim Jong-Un winning 100% of votes in N.Korea election right?

[Hazegurl]

 

Scenario 1: She has the choice to become a Witcher and ,,,, nothing else.

Scenario 2: She has the choice to become a Witcher or Empress

 

This isn't accurate because the choice of Empress is always there for Ciri whether you take her to see Emhyr or not.

[ashwind]

This isn't accurate because the choice of Empress is always there for Ciri whether you take her to see Emhyr or not.

 

Unless I am missing something, not bringing her to meet with Emhyr takes away any possibility of her becoming Empress. Which makes sense, she wont know that Emhyr wants her to take over. (Not entirely accurate)

 

Spoiler

Basically Emhyr presented her with his argument that she can help more people and do more good wielding the Imperial Seal than a Sword. Which is how I understand her coming to that decision. Without the meeting, she will not know of the other option.

[Blooddrunk1004]

To be fair, 2014 wasn't exactly a wasteland in gaming. Honestly, between Shadows of Mordor and Wolfenstein: the New Order, there's no way Inquisition should have gotten GOTY from anyone (The New Order is simply fantastic).

 

I agree. Funnily enough i liked both Shadow of Mordor and New Order far more than Inquisition. Alien Isolation was also damn good but horror games barely get any recognition even though it was in my opinion the best use of Alien license since the old AvP games.

 

The only thing i didn't liked about SoM is the way the plot ended and last boss was nothing but QTE fight which was a huge letdown when you compare it to previous bosses and how well the nemesis system was executed. New Order was awesome, it had oldschool fps nostalgia and the best part about it is that it doesn't hold your hand and you can even explore levels + the plot was also really good.

[Hazegurl]

I wouldn't say that the job is taken away.  It's always there unless he decides on a new heir or loses the war.

 

Overall, I'm arguing against the notion that Ciri is left with no other option but to become a Witcher based on Geralt not taking her to see Emhyr. I'm saying that not only is the Empress job still an option (if she chooses to go see her father), but she can also do whatever she wants, be whatever she wants, and go where ever she chooses.  If the theme of Ciri and even Geralt's story is letting her grow up, make her own choices, stand up for herself, stop holding her hand through life, and generally just butting out.  Then I don't see how taking her to see Emhyr gives her any more options than she already had.  Meaning that she has all the options in the world whether she chooses to take the steps to make it happen or not.

[ashwind]

I wouldn't say that the job is taken away.  It's always there unless he decides on a new heir or loses the war.

 

Overall, I'm arguing against the notion that Ciri is left with no other option but to become a Witcher based on Geralt not taking her to see Emhyr. I'm saying that not only is the Empress job still an option (if she chooses to go see her father), but she can also do whatever she wants, be whatever she wants, and go where ever she chooses.  If the theme of Ciri and even Geralt's story is letting her grow up, make her own choices, stand up for herself, stop holding her hand through life, and generally just butting out.  Then I don't see how taking her to see Emhyr gives her any more options than she already had.  Meaning that she has all the options in the world whether she chooses to take the steps to make it happen or not.

 

She will never hear Emhyr's argument if she never meet Emhyr. Without that talk, she will not have been aware that she has an extra option. What you are describing is her birthright but she doesnt really sees it as an option before the meeting.

[Wolven_Soul]

Unless I am missing something, not bringing her to meet with Emhyr takes away any possibility of her becoming Empress. Which makes sense, she wont know that Emhyr wants her to take over. (Not entirely accurate)

 

Spoiler

Basically Emhyr presented her with his argument that she can help more people and do more good wielding the Imperial Seal than a Sword. Which is how I understand her coming to that decision. Without the meeting, she will not know of the other option.

 

Well, she has to know that it is an option.  I mean, she knows that he is her father and she is the only heir.  I don't think any other siblings were ever mentioned at least.  So I don't really know how she couldn't know that she could be the Empress.  It's her birthright.  

 

You could make the argument that Emhyr makes that point that she could do more good as Empress than as a Witcher, and she can of course.  Pen is mightier than the sword and all of that.  But she's not stupid, that has got to have occurred to her at some point as well.  Now that I am really thinking about it, maybe they could have done a little bit better of a job of leading Ciri to that decision, more than just meeting her father is what decides it for her for some reason.  Simply seeing the guy shouldn't be the deciding factor. 

 

Also, I wish they would have made a possible ending where she actually joins up with and eventually takes charge of the Lodge.  That would have been a potentially cool ending.  Not sure why they didn't considering they made it a point that the other sorceresses wanted her there.

[Wolven_Soul]

I agree. Funnily enough i liked both Shadow of Mordor and New Order far more than Inquisition. Alien Isolation was also damn good but horror games barely get any recognition even though it was in my opinion the best use of Alien license since the old AvP games.

 

The only thing i didn't liked about SoM is the way the plot ended and last boss was nothing but QTE fight which was a huge letdown when you compare it to previous bosses and how well the nemesis system was executed. New Order was awesome, it had oldschool fps nostalgia and the best part about it is that it doesn't hold your hand and you can even explore levels + the plot was also really good.

 

Man I have got to play that game!

[Xetykins]

This isn't accurate because the choice of Empress is always there for Ciri whether you take her to see Emhyr or not.

The empress choice will never happen if she does not meet Emhyr

[ashwind]

Well, she has to know that it is an option.  I mean, she knows that he is her father and she is the only heir.  I don't think any other siblings were ever mentioned at least.  So I don't really know how she couldn't know that she could be the Empress.  It's her birthright.  

 

You could make the argument that Emhyr makes that point that she could do more good as Empress than as a Witcher, and she can of course.  Pen is mightier than the sword and all of that.  But she's not stupid, that has got to have occurred to her at some point as well.  Now that I am really thinking about it, maybe they could have done a little bit better of a job of leading Ciri to that decision, more than just meeting her father is what decides it for her for some reason.  Simply seeing the guy shouldn't be the deciding factor. 

 

Also, I wish they would have made a possible ending where she actually joins up with and eventually takes charge of the Lodge.  That would have been a potentially cool ending.  Not sure why they didn't considering they made it a point that the other sorceresses wanted her there.

 

Yes, I agree that the Empress outcome should not hang on that one meeting with Emhyr. Because as it is now, as long as Ciri meets Emhyr amd Emhyr tells her how she will inherit him and convince her that she can do more good being the Empress - she will always choose to become Empress as long as Nilfgard wins. 

 

That or Emhyr has legendary persuasion skill - something like level 100 points in Persuasion

[Akrabra]

So if she meets Emhyr and Nilfgaard loses the war to Radovid, what happens then? She becomes a Witcher? Also how can Nilfgaard lose? By letting Roche, Ves and Thaler die?

[ashwind]

So if she meets Emhyr and Nilfgaard loses the war to Radovid, what happens then? She becomes a Witcher? Also how can Nilfgaard lose? By letting Roche, Ves and Thaler die?

 

That is one way Nilfgard can lose.

[Hazegurl]

She will never hear Emhyr's argument if she never meet Emhyr. Without that talk, she will not have been aware that she has an extra option. What you are describing is her birthright but she doesnt really sees it as an option before the meeting.

I understand that meeting Emhyr is the key option to her becoming Empress. What I am saying is that Ciri is not suddenly out of options with what she wants to do with her entire life because she goes or misses out on that one meeting. 

 

@Wolven, I agree, if all Empyr tells her is how she could do more good as Empress then I consider it a weak argument for suddenly making her decide to become Empress.  Especially when we really have no idea what good could be done anyway.  And I also don't get why the Lodge wasn't an option along with just traveling with her Circus friends, which also seemed an option.

[ashwind]

I understand that meeting Emhyr is the key option to her becoming Empress. What I am saying is that Ciri is not suddenly out of options with what she wants to do with her entire life because she goes or misses out on that one meeting. 

 

@Wolven, I agree, if all Empyr tells her is how she could do more good as Empress then I consider it a weak argument for suddenly making her decide to become Empress.  Especially when we really have no idea what good could be done anyway.  And I also don't get why the Lodge wasn't an option along with just traveling with her Circus friends, which also seemed an option.

 

In my earlier post, I am merely listing the choices that are presented in game and within the context of the endings we are presented with.

 

Of course she is not literally out of options but from both endings, we can safely conclude that Ciri wants to help people. If she chooses to remain neutral and not get involve, she can even go world hopping and become a traveler of time and space.

 

As for the Lodge of Sorceress, the best of them are only concern about mages and the rest only interested in themselves. Ciri is a hothead, scheming is not her at all. Why join the Lodge of Sorceress? What good can ever come from playing "advisor" to a monarch to balance the power of nations? This cannot end well unless they submit themselves to the rule of the monarch and be loyal to them. It is even more illogical to join the Lodge when you can become monarch yourself.

 

Rulers do not like to be undermined - the Lodge is ultimately trying to undermine the absolute power of rulers. This is the perfect formula for disaster. No good can come from this. I equate the lodge to the church meddling in affair of states in the middle ages.

[Blooddrunk1004]

So if she meets Emhyr and Nilfgaard loses the war to Radovid, what happens then? She becomes a Witcher? Also how can Nilfgaard lose? By letting Roche, Ves and Thaler die?

To my knowledge this is how it goes:

 

If Radovid lives then Northen Kingdoms wins, Emhyr gets killed and Ciri becomes Witcher. If Djikstra becomes the ruler there are no winners, Nilfgaard retreats back to south (Emhyr lives in this one, i think), Novigrad gets industrialized and prepared for the next war, Ciri ends up as Witcher.

 

She only becomes empress if you take her to Emhyr and if Nilfgaard wins the war.

[Hazegurl]

In my earlier post, I am merely listing the choices that are presented in game and within the context of the endings we are presented with.

 

 

Ah ok, I thought you were stating that Ciri had no choices at all but to become a Witcher if she doesn't see Emhyr.

 

 

As for the Lodge of Sorceress, the best of them are only concern about mages and the rest only interested in themselves. Ciri is a hothead, scheming is not her at all. Why join the Lodge of Sorceress? What good can ever come from playing "advisor" to a monarch to balance the power of nations? This cannot end well unless they submit themselves to the rule of the monarch and be loyal to them. It is even more illogical to join the Lodge when you can become monarch yourself.

 

True, but it still should have been an option because it was presented in the story as one, especially if her father loses.  Also, she'll have to learn how to be a schemer as Empress anyway, otherwise she's gonna end up either a puppet or dead....or back to teleporting herself all over the place. 

 

Rulers do not like to be undermined - the Lodge is ultimately trying to undermine the absolute power of rulers. This is the perfect formula for disaster. No good can come from this. I equate the lodge to the church meddling in affair of states in the middle ages.

 

 

The sorceresses found that out the hard way and I don't think they'll put themselves in that position again if they can help it.

[Wolven_Soul]

As for the Lodge of Sorceress, the best of them are only concern about mages and the rest only interested in themselves. Ciri is a hothead, scheming is not her at all. Why join the Lodge of Sorceress? What good can ever come from playing "advisor" to a monarch to balance the power of nations? This cannot end well unless they submit themselves to the rule of the monarch and be loyal to them. It is even more illogical to join the Lodge when you can become monarch yourself.

 

Rulers do not like to be undermined - the Lodge is ultimately trying to undermine the absolute power of rulers. This is the perfect formula for disaster. No good can come from this. I equate the lodge to the church meddling in affair of states in the middle ages.

 

Well Ciri could mold the Lodge into shape, or she takes the stance that she's sick of sorceresses and mages getting treated the way that they are and she makes them into a real power.  But even if nothing good can come from it, whoever said that all options had to be good ones?

[ashwind]

The sorceresses found that out the hard way and I don't think they'll put themselves in that position again if they can help it.

 

 

The Lodge is actually a political body and while they maybe Sorceresses, they are actually politicians. I am a firm believer that politicians will never learn from past mistakes when it comes to grabbing more power for themselves. They will try to "improvise" on their "technique" but ultimately they will do the same things and sooner or later, they will end up in the gallows again 

 

   

 

 

Well Ciri could mold the Lodge into shape, or she takes the stance that she's sick of sorceresses and mages getting treated the way that they are and she makes them into a real power.  But even if nothing good can come from it, whoever said that all options had to be good ones?

 

True, not every option needs to be a good one but I believe that personality wise, Ciri would not associate herself with the Lodge. Especially with the likes of Philipa in it.

[Wolven_Soul]

The Lodge is actually a political body and while they maybe Sorceresses, they are actually politicians. I am a firm believer that politicians will never learn from past mistakes when it comes to grabbing more power for themselves. They will try to "improvise" on their "technique" but ultimately they will do the same things and sooner or later, they will end up in the gallows again 

 

   

 

 

 

True, not every option needs to be a good one but I believe that personality wise, Ciri would not associate herself with the Lodge. Especially with the likes of Philipa in it.

 

Your probably right, I would probably come to the same conclusion given that not once did Ciri ever mention an interest in the Lodge.  In fact she seems much more interested in her sword than she does in her powers.  I could see Yennefer trying to talk her into it, though, and maybe Triss as well.  The three of them together allied in the Lodge could probably quell anything that Phillipa could try to pull.  Unfortunately though it would not likely ever be truly unified.  I still would have liked to see it as a potential option.

[Hazegurl]

The Lodge is actually a political body and while they maybe Sorceresses, they are actually politicians. I am a firm believer that politicians will never learn from past mistakes when it comes to grabbing more power for themselves. They will try to "improvise" on their "technique" but ultimately they will do the same things and sooner or later, they will end up in the gallows again 

 

   

LOL!! I can't argue with you there. I hope they've learned their lesson but you're most likely right about them repeating their past mistakes.  Lucky for Triss my Geralt would be there to pull her out of the fire.

[panzerwzh]

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