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Didn't they lose their main political writer(s), i.e., the people that handled the politics plot in TW2? Like DA, I think this is less an issue with adaptation and more an issue that writing super-complex, politically savvy characters in a chess-master like politics plot is hard

I don't believe they lost him, last I heard he was doing the writing for Cyberpunk.



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Didn't they lose their main political writer(s), i.e., the people that handled the politics plot in TW2? Like DA, I think this is less an issue with adaptation and more an issue that writing super-complex, politically savvy characters in a chess-master like politics plot is hard

I've heard some writers of TW2 were moved to Cyberpunk development, this was when TW3 was also still in the making so i don't know i could be wrong.

I didn't really mind that politics were gone in Wild Hunt, i actually prefered it. I just disliked how some novel characters were handled, i think they did good job with the rest of them like Yen and Ciri etc.

 

I never found any DA politics interesting, i was kinda hoping Inquisition would have them a lot more, yet in Wicked Eyes where they could have handled them better.. instead our Inquisitor gets turned into James Bond and is busy listening to whispers and slaughtering armies of assassins outside of ball.


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#14153
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She didn't invite the Inquisition, Gaspard did. Take off those rose-tinted glasses you seem to look at DAI with and admit it has flaws. (A lot of them in fact -_-) Celene got hit with the idiot-stick like so many others in DAI.


The Inq goes with Gaspard, but the motivation for attending the ball was to investigate the threat against Celene. As Gaspard was part of the threats that eve, it would appear that the actual invitation cane from another; one more able.

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The reason I liked a lot TW stuff more than a lot of DA stuff is really simple in some ways I just felt the characters were more likable, like, more compassionate, naturally empathetic, higher emotional intelligence and all that. 

 

They're people I wouldn't mind going bowling with or something kinda thing, whereas I feel like with DA characters increasingly I'd have to meet all these opaque requirements, I mean, not exactly rolling out the carpet for them to walk on sort of thing, but you know, just more difficult. 

 

I felt that way more about NWN and BG as well way back in the day, but I think with DA it headed in that super stiff LOTR sort of direction, where people are super elite and powerful but you have to press all 90 buttons to get them to do something. 

 

There's really something to be said for just the plain ability to just be nice. 

 

I would agree but I think a big part of the reason it ended up that way is because most of these characters we have established relationships with from previous games.  As well Geralt knows them from the books, and CDPR did a pretty good job in making those relationships feel like they have lasted for the years that they have.


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She didn't invite the Inquisition, Gaspard did. Take off those rose-tinted glasses you seem to look at DAI with and admit it has flaws. (A lot of them in fact -_-) Celene got hit with the idiot-stick like so many others in DAI.

 

If the Inquisition hadn't shown up, it would have been a race to see who killed her first.  Gaspard, her former Elven lover, or her sister.  All these plots going on around her and the only one she really knows about is Gaspard's and that's only because he's so blunt about it.  So yeah, I have to agree, not what I would expect from a cunning diplomat. 


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I've argued that the books have outlived their usefulness beyond providing an amazing setting and unique lore. But characters? They should leave Sapkowski's characters alone. For good. We know they'll continue the series somehow without Geralt, and they've proved they're at their best inventing their own characters, and especially their own villains: Loredo, Dethmold, De Aldersberg, Letho and O'Dim are all well written. Not a single baddie in TW3 comes close.

 

Certainly makes me super interested for their first completely original game.  Cyberpunk is going to be one to keep an eye on.


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If the Inquisition hadn't shown up, it would have been a race to see who killed her first.  Gaspard, her former Elven lover, or her sister.  All these plots going on around her and the only one she really knows about is Gaspard's and that's only because he's so blunt about it.  So yeah, I have to agree, not what I would expect from a cunning diplomat. 

Yup, given there was an army outside the ball, she is far from cunning.

And in future DA games please use poisoning for assassination.

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The Inq goes with Gaspard, but the motivation for attending the ball was to investigate the threat against Celene. As Gaspard was part of the threats that eve, it would appear that the actual invitation cane from another; one more able.

Prefer glasses to blinders....


Yeah, yeah stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalala" like usual, whatever works for you -_-


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Yennefer is love, Yennefer is life and sometimes she makes me question my sexuality just a tiny bit. Team Yen! :wub:

Wow, really looks like her http://cosplay.kotak...life-1771545236

 

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Anyway, as much as I wish the expansion came out tomorrow, CD Projekt can take as long as they want to make it perfect because I'm a little saddened knowing that this is the end for Geralt. I know a lot of people seem to be tired of him but I just grew attached; especially since these games got me into the books.

I'm just not as hyped for cyberpunk like everyone else is and while I'm willing to give it a chance, I've always preferred fantasy settings. 

 

 

 

 

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Also, I can't get over how beautiful the designs are for these dresses. There is such an attention to detail here that is not found in a lot of games.


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An interview with CDPR:

http://www.idigitalt...k-begins-529132



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Yennefer is love, Yennefer is life and sometimes she makes me question my sexuality just a tiny bit. Team Yen! :wub:

 

Anyway, as much as I wish the expansion came out tomorrow, CD Projekt can take as long as they want to make it perfect because I'm a little saddened knowing that this is the end for Geralt. I know a lot of people seem to be tired of him but I just grew attached; especially since these games got me into the books.

I'm just not as hyped for cyberpunk like everyone else is and while I'm willing to give it a chance, I've always preferred fantasy settings. 

 

 

Also, I can't get over how beautiful the designs are for these dresses. There is such an attention to detail here that is not found in a lot of games.

Jan Marek, CDPR's senior concept artist. It explains why TW series' art design has such detail and authenticity.

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And that may be your opinion; it is certainly not mine. May be pretty on the surface, but the mixture of mud, blood, and excrement, public urination, general drunkenness, etc of many still are among the reasons I keep this title from my playlist.

You refuse to play it because the people are dirty and live in the middle ages? People in the middles ages WERE dirty, and they drank, I am unfamiliar with any public urination or excrement in the witcher but alright.

How did you play the previous dragon age games? Before they sanitized the crap out of it in inquisition, dragon age was fairly bloody and there were actually some pretty dark themes.


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You refuse to play it because the people are dirty and live in the middle ages? People in the middles ages WERE dirty, and they drank, I am unfamiliar with any public urination or excrement in the witcher but alright.

How did you play the previous dragon age games? Before they sanitized the crap out of it in inquisition, dragon age was fairly bloody and there were actually some pretty dark themes.


DAI is not the Middle Ages. And I refuse to play TW3 for various reasons, amongst them being what passes for aesthetics.

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I think of TW as yeah pretty throughly medieval for the most part, lots of squabbles and issues, close to the land sort of thing, dark horrors in the forest, whatever, but with a splash of Arthurian fantasy and other things.

 

Dragon Age is sort of more like a spin on super-taut high LOTR English thing-a-majig, Dragon Age Inquisition takes that even further with like Solas like super elves etc so it's like a super version of that.

 

BG and NWN (less for NWN) I see as not really falling easily in either category, sort of more like mid-northern continental Europe Jeanne D'arc legend of Ys sort of, remnants of the Angevin empire/heck Canada or just anywhere in any variety of countries, just generally some region-spanning or continent-spanning perspective.

 

Personally prefer the 3rd category the most, but can easily see and have enjoyed the appeal of the first, not to mention obvious overlap (particularly between the 1st and 3rd)

 

I don't know if the 2nd is really ever meant to be "enjoyed" but it can be I guess "appreciated" for it's hyper braininess.


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Also, I can't get over how beautiful the designs are for these dresses. There is such an attention to detail here that is not found in a lot of games.

 

Yeah that pic has made me want to get Blood and Wine pretty bad now! I was always firm no DLC sort of person but I guess have to break that rule, although they did call it an expansion basically kinda.


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Yeah that pic has made me want to get Blood and Wine pretty bad now! I was always firm no DLC sort of person but I guess have to break that rule, although they did call it an expansion basically kinda.

 

The Wild Hunt DLCs have actually all been pretty good. Even the free DLC program, which they really could have skimped out on, gave us great stuff like "Fool's Gold" and "The Cat and the Wolf at Play", the last of which is one of my personal favourite quests of the game.


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An interview with CDPR:

http://www.idigitalt...k-begins-529132

Damn, thought it was further along than that. Longest pre-production ever. LOL

What will be first Half Life 3 or Cyberpunk? I'd back CP2077. It's at least being worked on.



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 CDPR art design was pretty amazing in TW2 already. With the new engine in TW3 they really set the bar high.

 

TW2's art design is what piqued my interest in the series in the first place, before I knew the first thing about it. I think it will remain one of the most visually striking games (and will certainly boast some of the most distinctly phenomenal art direction in a game) for a very long time yet.

 

And even though it's not totally different (and of course the weaponry looks insanely lovely), I think I prefer it overall to many of the designs in TW3. Not to denigrate the latter, necessarily - but yeah. TW2 is an uncommonly beautiful game, with respect to its armor, equipment, and character designs.

 

Those shots from B&W look wonderful.


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So the devs of Dear Esther, The Chinese Room, drummed up that old crap about CDPR making sexist content on Twitter. Unfortunately, one of the REDs responded:

 

http://www.neogaf.co...1&postcount=829

 

....and proceeded to get further lecturing on NeoGAF, among other sites. CDPR is getting the same 'you're not diverse enough' crap Bioware continues to receive on the forum, and I don't think they really know how to deal with it. 


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As good as the accusation that eastern european and slavic culture totally weren't a real thing but just something that CDPR made up so they could have predominantly white people in their games?


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So the devs of Dear Esther, The Chinese Room, drummed up that old crap about CDPR making sexist content on Twitter. Unfortunately, one of the REDs responded:

 

http://www.neogaf.co...1&postcount=829

 

....and proceeded to get further lecturing on NeoGAF, among other sites. CDPR is getting the same 'you're not diverse enough' crap Bioware continues to receive on the forum, and I don't think they really know how to deal with it. 

I think the devs at TCR need to step outside their locked box offices for like 30 seconds and see what the world is like now.

I like the comment from the CDPR dev actually, kind puts the moron from TCR in his place I think.

 

It's actually interesting to see how far CDPR has come over the years. No doubt they made some rookie mistakes in the original Witcher with those silly sex cards. But looking past that they still made a pretty good game I think full of Choice and Consequence, mostly interesting quests, and even went further with enhanced edition that cleaned a lot of things up.


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I never found any DA politics interesting, i was kinda hoping Inquisition would have them a lot more, yet in Wicked Eyes where they could have handled them better.. instead our Inquisitor gets turned into James Bond and is busy listening to whispers and slaughtering armies of assassins outside of ball.

Ironic isn't it?The Orlesian game was less intricate than Loghain's schemes.


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The reason I liked a lot TW stuff more than a lot of DA stuff is really simple in some ways I just felt the characters were more likable, like, more compassionate, naturally empathetic, higher emotional intelligence and all that. 

 

They're people I wouldn't mind going bowling with or something kinda thing, whereas I feel like with DA characters increasingly I'd have to meet all these opaque requirements, I mean, not exactly rolling out the carpet for them to walk on sort of thing, but you know, just more difficult. 

 

 

There's really something to be said for just the plain ability to just be nice. 

I heartily agree.
Unless you don't give them what they want and when they want it many DA companions  will not be friends with you( they will even leave  you)and i really don't like this it seems  childish on so many levels.

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How did you play the previous dragon age games? Before they sanitized the crap out of it in inquisition, dragon age was fairly bloody and there were actually some pretty dark themes.

I will not oppose the notion that DAI felt sanitized but which were these  darker themes of the previous DA games at least compared to the WItcher series?I think that in order to proper develop such themes  is required the right atmosphere and it is simply lacking in DA for a variety of reasons.
 
DAO was arguably an heroic fairy tale where the only sinister tones were in some Origins which whom i didn't particularly cared because they involved persons with whom the players don't feel any attachment.
There was no urgency in DA:O a game that involved a blight... you can leave Eamon sick, Connor possessed, go to Denerim, solve the Dalish and Orzammar quest lines... then - if you feel like it - hit all the Chanter's board quests... then go ahead and clean up the Tower and when you get back they're all like..."Thank the Maker you made it in time."
 
 
DAII instead had this attitude to ironize everything to the point where every "dark themes" was  overwhelmed  by it,certanly i don't rememer DAII as a bloody game especially if played with a sarcastic Hawke.
 
 
 


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So the devs of Dear Esther, The Chinese Room, drummed up that old crap about CDPR making sexist content on Twitter. Unfortunately, one of the REDs responded:

 

http://www.neogaf.co...1&postcount=829

 

....and proceeded to get further lecturing on NeoGAF, among other sites. CDPR is getting the same 'you're not diverse enough' crap Bioware continues to receive on the forum, and I don't think they really know how to deal with it. 

 

They should go full badass like Daniel Vávra did when they went after Kingdom Come: Deliverance (set in medieval Bohemia) for being "too white".