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[SnakeCode]

As good as the accusation that eastern european and slavic culture totally weren't a real thing but just something that CDPR made up so they could have predominantly white people in their games?

 

Diversity is great as long as it mirrors modern, liberal, multicultural North America. If you want to create a game set in a place where almost everyone is the same ethnicity, you better make sure it's set/based on somewhere in Asia or Africa. It's fine if everybody has the same ethnicity as long as they aren't white.

[midnight tea]

Diversity is great as long as it mirrors modern, liberal, multicultural North America. If you want to create a game set in a place where almost everyone is the same ethnicity, you better make sure it's set/based on somewhere in Asia or Africa. It's fine if everybody has the same ethnicity as long as they aren't white.

 

Well, here's the problem - Eastern Europe was pretty ethnically diverse for quite a while. Courtesy of all the invasions and proximity to large trading routes from Middle East and Asia, and the fact that Poland was at one time a haven to all the heretics and many ethnic minorities chased away from large swathes of Western Europe. 

 

The fact that we're now pretty much 99% white and Catholic is actually a modern phenomenon - mostly courtesy of WWII and Commies, you see...

[panzerwzh]

Well, here's the problem - Eastern Europe was pretty ethnically diverse for quite a while. Courtesy of all the invasions and proximity to large trading routes from Middle East and Asia, and the fact that Poland was at one time a haven to all the heretics and many ethnic minorities chased away from large swathes of Western Europe. 

 

The fact that we're now pretty much 99% white and Catholic is actually a modern phenomenon - mostly courtesy of WWII and Commies, you see...

SnakeCode is being sarcastic. Personally, I prefer a well-defined fantasy world regardless what skin color characters have.

[midnight tea]

SnakeCode is being sarcastic. Personally, I prefer a well-defined fantasy world regardless what skin color characters have.

 

 

The fact that it's sarcastic is beside the point. I simply point out that people here aren't strangers to diversity, nor it's a domain of modern, liberal American culture.

[panzerwzh]

The fact that it's sarcastic is beside the point. I simply point out that people here aren't strangers to diversity, nor it's a domain of modern, liberal American culture.

Cool, the "Diversity is great as long as it mirrors modern, liberal, multicultural North America." part, as ludicrous and superficial as it is, perfectly covers most  SJW's critics towards TW3 while respecting the authenticities and differences between different cultures/countries and time periods is completely ignored.  

[slimgrin]

I'm surprised their team is so diverse to be honest, and they could have played it up as well, like EA does on a regular basis. 

[Dreadstruck]

They should go full badass like Daniel Vávra did when they went after Kingdom Come: Deliverance (set in medieval Bohemia) for being "too white".

 

Dan Vávra takes **** from no one and has been continuously defending his stance, not taking one step back to this day.

 

I like that guy.

[Seraphim24]

That is how the people of Orlais should have looked.

 

TW3 is so much better than DA:I aesthetically, particularly with the clothing and hairstyles of the NPCs populating the game world.

 

Oh! You weren't a fan of the space spazz Halloween Masquerade??

 

 

 

How shocking!

 

Seriously though like what even is that in the distance? Is that guy wearing like a grocery bag diaper for a hat? Jiminey Christmas...

[Elhanan]

Hats in DA have always looked like dead fowl; reason why all my earlier mages are partial Arcane Warriors if possible. But it is adherence to the lore which makes the DA series unique; not just another medieval RPG.

[Seraphim24]

Hats in DA have always looked like dead fowl; reason why all my earlier mages are partial Arcane Warriors if possible. But it is adherence to the lore which makes the DA series unique; not just another medieval RPG.

 

Is there any reason precluding adherence to lore while simultaneously not including such stark ugliness?

[The Elder King]

Hats in DA have always looked like dead fowl; reason why all my earlier mages are partial Arcane Warriors if possible. But it is adherence to the lore which makes the DA series unique; not just another medieval RPG.

Eh, I like DA, but being adherent to the 'lore' (which lore says the hats have to look as those?) in regards of keeping the hats similar to their original version doesn't seem that right, considering that they changed a lot in aesthetics between the various games.

[Elhanan]

Eh, I like DA, but being adherent to the 'lore' (which lore says the hats have to look as those?) in regards of keeping the hats similar to their original version doesn't seem that right, considering that they changed a lot in aesthetics between the various games.

Not just ugly hats, but much of the other minutia described in the early games. DA chooses to go another path.

[The Elder King]

Not just ugly hats, but much of the other minutia described in the early games. DA chooses to go another path.

Aesthetics stuff did change though, or they took advantage of possible holes to add stuff (qunari horns, for example). I don't think hats are on the same level of the stuff you're talking to. No lore actually stated every or most of the hats are in that shape.

[In Exile]

Diversity is great as long as it mirrors modern, liberal, multicultural North America. If you want to create a game set in a place where almost everyone is the same ethnicity, you better make sure it's set/based on somewhere in Asia or Africa. It's fine if everybody has the same ethnicity as long as they aren't white.

North America isn't uniform. The racial mix in the US is very different from Canada, which is very different from Mexico. Americans would be shocked at how cosmopolitan Toronto is, for example.

[Wolven_Soul]

So the devs of Dear Esther, The Chinese Room, drummed up that old crap about CDPR making sexist content on Twitter. Unfortunately, one of the REDs responded:

 

http://www.neogaf.co...1&postcount=829

 

....and proceeded to get further lecturing on NeoGAF, among other sites. CDPR is getting the same 'you're not diverse enough' crap Bioware continues to receive on the forum, and I don't think they really know how to deal with it. 

 

Oh yes, so sexist.  So much so that they made the most powerful character in that world female.  Not to mention all of the other powerful female characters.  Or that you can make a woman queen in a land dominated by males.  Those dang sexist, misogynistic jerkbags.  ​

[Wolven_Soul]

 

I will not oppose the notion that DAI felt sanitized but which were these  darker themes of the previous DA games at least compared to the WItcher series?I think that in order to proper develop such themes  is required the right atmosphere and it is simply lacking in DA for a variety of reasons.

 

DAO was arguably an heroic fairy tale where the only sinister tones were in some Origins which whom i didn't particularly cared because they involved persons with whom the players don't feel any attachment.

There was no urgency in DA:O a game that involved a blight... you can leave Eamon sick, Connor possessed, go to Denerim, solve the Dalish and Orzammar quest lines... then - if you feel like it - hit all the Chanter's board quests... then go ahead and clean up the Tower and when you get back they're all like..."Thank the Maker you made it in time."

 

 

DAII instead had this attitude to ironize everything to the point where every "dark themes" was  overwhelmed  by it,certanly i don't rememer DAII as a bloody game especially if played with a sarcastic Hawke.

 

 

 

 

 

DA:O definitely had it's darker moments.  The Broodmother, potentially wiping out an entire tower of mages, the way that golems are made, Howe's torture dungeon, tainting the ashes of Andraste, the dwarven lady's situation with her baby, Ruk, to name a few.

[Elhanan]

Aesthetics stuff did change though, or they took advantage of possible holes to add stuff (qunari horns, for example). I don't think hats are on the same level of the stuff you're talking to. No lore actually stated every or most of the hats are in that shape.

Not exactly, but am able to recall Leliana describe the ladies' hairstyle that included birds. And some aesthetics did change; Qunari and Flemeth had better representation, Elves waned and recovered, and Darkspawn have several examples (personal faves are in DAA).

That said, DA is much different than many other medieval titles. Tis good to be rather unique.

[slimgrin]

It's not unique at all imo. The original set up quality lore and great characters, but the aesthetics, story, enemy types and setting are familiar ground. I don't hold that against it. Since we've got more dark fantasy nowadays, I'm actually wistful for high/heroic fantasy. 

[Seraphim24]

Oh come on, even the most hardened DA fan will acknowledge that the hats have always been a bit on the silly side.  

[The Elder King]

Not exactly, but am able to recall Leliana describe the ladies' hairstyle that included birds. And some aesthetics did change; Qunari and Flemeth had better representation, Elves waned and recovered, and Darkspawn have several examples (personal faves are in DAA).

That said, DA is much different than many other medieval titles. Tis good to be rather unique.

It was one particular hairstyle of a noble woman, who in hindisght wasn't a smart choices due to what the birds did to her . The fact that some hideous or exaggerate outfits, hairstyles or hats exist doesn't mean only those type should exist.

[Elhanan]

It was one particular hairstyle of a noble woman, who in hindisght wasn't a smart choices due to what the birds did to her . The fact that some hideous or exaggerate outfits, hairstyles or hats exist doesn't mean only those type should exist.

Agreed, but am thankful that they are different than other typical choices.

[FKA_Servo]

Oh come on, even the most hardened DA fan will acknowledge that the hats have always been a bit on the silly side.  

 

Agreed, which is why we thank the maker for helmet toggles. Or, failing that, modding support.

[Seraphim24]

Agreed, which is why we thank the maker for helmet toggles. Or, failing that, modding support.

 

 

Not the biggest fan of the mods where I feel like I'm the one making the game, but yes helmet toggles have been a very necessary and helpful invention.

 

Anyway I don't disparage their skill and ability to build these things, only the substance of them, which I daresay is quite important.

[Seraphim24]

By the way does anyone else just get lost in the scenery in TW3?

 

 

 

 

Just so awesome, wish there was an Screenshot button in the actual game (or maybe there is one?) couple times I've just wanted to take that picture and all.

 

Oh and more cosplay

 

[Seraphim24]

You know Dragon Age did have some moments and such at times, such as Ostagar

 

 

 

 

Of course all the Morrigan cosplayers