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I miss this game.

 

Covenant farming is ridiculous in Dark Souls 3. :(


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It's been however many years and months or whatever now and it still lingers in my mind, to be honest, like however many games that came out barely left an impression for the most part.

 

I think Cyberpunk could make their big splash even bigger.

 

CDPR as a whole has definitely made contributions of great quality to the CRPG universe. (Or even just gaming universe generally)

 

Chopin... The Witcher... hmm country has a lot going for it, yeah? :lol:

 

Also, thought this was a cool fan art of Triss, doesn't look quite exactly like her, but, ya know :)

 

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Also going to chip in I also found TW2 and 1 to be an overall perhaps a bit better experience than TW3 as some of the more hardcore fans feel, but like, it's kind of meaningless in some ways because like whatever all of them are just so good of course :lol:



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I love fan art with great an atmosphere.

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^ I can't believe how powerful the TW world is.


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By the way does anyone else just get lost in the scenery in TW3?

 

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Just so awesome, wish there was an Screenshot button in the actual game (or maybe there is one?) couple times I've just wanted to take that picture and all.

 

Oh and more cosplay

 

 

DAI Npcs look with bitterness  the  towns and villages that they didn't received to live on.
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^ I can't believe how powerful the TW world is.

Time to hit those TW books. :P

The story is amazing and characters are absolutely fantastic.

My poor Cahir, Essi~~~ and the forever glorious and intelligent Queen Yenna!  Damn, I love the TW series (games and books).

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^ I know! I started with like.. the um.. what was it... the Blood of Elves? I think it's the middle one which is sort of awkward but it's the only one my bookstore had.



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^ I know! I started with like.. the um.. what was it... the Blood of Elves? I think it's the middle one which is sort of awkward but it's the only one my bookstore had.

https://www.reddit.c...er_books_guide/

 

You are welcome. BoE is actually the third book,Sword of Destiny is where Geralt, Yenna and Ciri's story really begins.


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Witcher devs reveal hardest quests to design

 

http://www.gamespot....e/1100-6439535/


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Witcher devs reveal hardest quests to design

 

http://www.gamespot....e/1100-6439535/

 

Very interesting article. It's pretty cool, actually, that the primary writer for the Bloody Baron quests was female, especially considering how controversial his entire character has been.


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That's interesting, considering how that questline showed the effects of domestic abuse (physical and mental) on both men and women, and resulting the flak they received for doing so. 


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Very interesting article. It's pretty cool, actually, that the primary writer for the Bloody Baron quests was female, especially considering how controversial his entire character has been.

 

 

Stachyra is undoubtedly talented, but they make it clear she received direction from Blacha and others. Also, I find some of her dialog out of place in HoS. Only in a few spots. She doesn't quite own Geralt's dialog like past writers. She's a lead writer now.



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Stachyra is undoubtedly talented, but they make it clear she received direction from Blacha and others. Also, I find some of her dialog out of place in HoS. Only in a few spots. She doesn't quite own Geralt's dialog like past writers. She's a lead writer now.

 

I'm always curious as to how you have all this insider info slimgrin.
:P

 

Anyway, I actually confess I didn't like some parts of TW3 as much as past witchers, however, overall my experiences with the series and such have been quite significant and have made me just sort of really impressed with it all in general. It also kind of made me interested in Polish history which is actually pretty fascinating, a lot of it was sort of obscured to me until I looked back into the Medieval period and it's quite sort of illustrious and vibrant.


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https://www.reddit.c...er_books_guide/

 

You are welcome. BoE is actually the third book,Sword of Destiny is where Geralt, Yenna and Ciri's story really begins.

 

That name, makes me think about Istredd. Bastard. I think it was Sword of Destiny? A Shard of Ice? The short stories are all great, but that one, "the Lesser Evil", the one where Geralt reunites with Ciri and the one where he thinks Yen and Triss are dead after the battle of Sodden Hill (?) are my favorite

 

I mostly removed from my memory the one with Little Eye because it was way too sad :crying:


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That's interesting, considering how that questline showed the effects of domestic abuse (physical and mental) on both men and women, and resulting the flak they received for doing so. 

That's projection, because it really doesn't try to portray Baron sympathetically. It portrays him as, basically, a completely run of the mill abuser, lifted right out of what you would hear in a shelter. 


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The Baron's story is interesting because it all ties back into the Velen theme of how war affects people. War is what ruined his marriage, along with his own sh*t decisions of course. They did the same thing with Flotsam in TW2. The quests all revolved around world building in a specific region. 


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That's projection, because it really doesn't try to portray Baron sympathetically. It portrays him as, basically, a completely run of the mill abuser, lifted right out of what you would hear in a shelter. 

 

Because he is? But then again, from what i can remember, his wife turned out to be one too. The point of that quest, in my opinion, is that him and his wife basically deserved each other and the only victims were their children.

They didn't really portray him as a good guy or as a bad guy, they portrayed him as a person, and person are such complex beings that it's hard to find one with no good or complexity in them, which is why i found myself, if not liking, understanding him

 

I, for one, was roleplaying a really "good" Geralt so the first thing Geralt said to him, after hearing what he did to his wife and seeing the general behavior of his soldiers, was something along the lines of "I dont' care about your reasons. I need you but i don't have to listen to your BS". Ended up helping him at the Bogg :D


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That's projection, because it really doesn't try to portray Baron sympathetically. It portrays him as, basically, a completely run of the mill abuser, lifted right out of what you would hear in a shelter. 

 

And that's a strawman, I never claimed the Baron was shown in a sympathetic light. I said it shows how abuse affects both men and women, because Anna was every bit the abuser he was, if you choose to believe him.


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And that's a strawman, I never claimed the Baron was shown in a sympathetic light. I said it shows how abuse affects both men and women, because Anna was every bit the abuser he was, if you choose to believe him.


No, she wasn't, if you believe him. If you believe him, after he murdered her lover and dragged her back, she said really mean things to hit so he beat the **** out of her. His narrative doesn't tell you what she said - only that she really pissed him off, so he beat her. This isn't emotional abuse. The normal reaction to cheating isn't murder, and the normal reaction to hearing mean things isn't violence.

He kept her as a prisoner out of "love". That's psychotic behaviour.

Beyond that, yeah, that's what you said. Because abuse implies victimization - no one would cite self-defence as abuse, for example.

He's not an abuse victim. He's just an abuser.
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Because he is? But then again, from what i can remember, his wife turned out to be one too. The point of that quest, in my opinion, is that him and his wife basically deserved each other and the only victims were their children.
They didn't really portray him as a good guy or as a bad guy, they portrayed him as a person, and person are such complex beings that it's hard to find one with no good or complexity in them, which is why i found myself, if not liking, understanding him

I, for one, was roleplaying a really "good" Geralt so the first thing Geralt said to him, after hearing what he did to his wife and seeing the general behavior of his soldiers, was something along the lines of "I dont' care about your reasons. I need you but i don't have to listen to your BS". Ended up helping him at the Bogg :D


Unless my memory failed me, he murdered her lover and beat the **** out of her. She was - according to his account - so good at getting under his skin and hurting his feelings that he lost his cool and beat the **** out of her.

People expect abusers to me some kind of evil caricature - a monster who probably drowns puppies for fun. That's not what an abuser is, and the fact that he's not a cackling lunatic talking about loves beating women and rape doesn't make him even remotely reemdable.

As I said - it's all projection. There are real abusive relationships out there that men are trapped in and that society does not give a **** about - but a murder who beats his wife is not exactly a reemdable figure or an illustration of the effects of abuse on men.
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"Saying mean things"? You are being incredibly disingenuous here, as usual. What he actually says is after years of patching him up after his time in the army, some after defeats, she knew exactly which buttons to press to make him hurt, to make him angry. That is a prime example of emotional abuse.

 

Again, i'm not saying she was worse than the Baron, or even as bad, but she WAS an abuser. And yes, that was a strawman. 


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The Baron's story is interesting because it all ties back into the Velen theme of how war affects people. War is what ruined his marriage, along with his own sh*t decisions of course. They did the same thing with Flotsam in TW2. The quests all revolved around world building in a specific region. 

 

It's more than just that. Because it ties in with the theme of family that runs through the series - with Yennefer and Geralt. Even if Yen and Geralt split, they do it in a healthy way, that doesn't **** up their daughter - Ciri. Whereas the Baron absolutely can't pull that one off. It works on multiple levels, which is what makes it so very brilliant as a quest - probably one of the best designed ever, and why CDPR is currently wearing the RPG story-telling crown (with, depending on how you count Kickstars, a lot of companies ahead of Bioware's pretty bland B-movie stuff).


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"Saying mean things"? You are being incredibly disingenuous here, as usual. What he actually says is after years of patching him up after his time in the army, some after defeats, she knew exactly which buttons to press to make him hurt, to make him angry. That is a prime example of emotional abuse.

 

Again, i'm not saying she was worse than the Baron, or even as bad, but she WAS an abuser. And yes, that was a strawman. 

No, I'm not. I'm being flippant - because we have no idea what he's been told. But this is a man who murdered her lover. His reaction is, to put it mildly, insanely and disproportionately violent. Emotional abuse involves a complicated series of behaviours, hurtful things of which are only one instance, is also about the kind of power balance you find in relationships. 

 

Emotional abuse is more than just saying hurtful things - even really hurtful things. If it wasn't, every single person ever in the history of humanity would be guilty of emotional abuse  in a substantial part of their personal relationships - it would be a word and concept used so broadly it would be completely meaningless. See here for the wikipedia discussion: click.

 

And it's worth noting that this only happens after, again, he murders her lover (maybe beats her? I can't recall) and then drags her back imprisoned (and then only after some time, as I recall). 

 

She's a terrible person - to whit, the cheating (but even then, not exactly the kind of culture one can leave their partner). But she lashes out only after a course of conduct that, IRL, would have someone put in jail for a substantial chunk of their natural life (because, remember, you have to add in the kidnapping and confinement). 

 

The situation is so beyond anything we see IRL, that we don't even have concepts for it. Calling her an abuser equivocates this behaviour. 


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No, I'm not. I'm being flippant - because we have no idea what he's been told. But this is a man who murdered her lover. His reaction is, to put it mildly, insanely and disproportionately violent. Emotional abuse involves a complicated series of behaviours, hurtful things of which are only one instance, is also about the kind of power balance you find in relationships. 

 

Emotional abuse is more than just saying hurtful things - even really hurtful things. If it wasn't, every single person ever in the history of humanity would be guilty of emotional abuse  in a substantial part of their personal relationships - it would be a word and concept used so broadly it would be completely meaningless. See here for the wikipedia discussion: click.

 

And it's worth noting that this only happens after, again, he murders her lover (maybe beats her? I can't recall) and then drags her back imprisoned (and then only after some time, as I recall). 

 

She's a terrible person - to whit, the cheating (but even then, not exactly the kind of culture one can leave their partner). But she lashes out only after a course of conduct that, IRL, would have someone put in jail for a substantial chunk of their natural life (because, remember, you have to add in the kidnapping and confinement). 

 

The situation is so beyond anything we see IRL, that we don't even have concepts for it. Calling her an abuser equivocates this behaviour. 

 

 

You're understating some events there. This man (husband) had been summoned to war repeatedly, over the course of years. During which time his wife, had taken a lover, that she was with for years. He discovered this the day he returned and found her gone, taking their daughter, leaving only a note. Stating that she didn't love him and had taken their child.

 

At which point he goes to bring them back, but when he sees her lover, he states something turned in him, something dark and he slaughters her lover. Then she attacks him, grabs a knife and tries to kill him, this is the first time he hits her.

 

What follows is a cycle of mutual abuse. both being the responsible party. Over the next few years she tries several times to kill herself and him, goading and taunting him. He get's drunk and lashes out, hitting her and smashing objects, likely partially fueled with a constant jealousy.


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