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[Grieving Natashina]

I respect those views.

The language in TW3 is certainly more explicit.

Nudity and sex appears to be similar to DAI.

I haven't seen any misuse of women, and I might add that portrayal of gay/cross-dressing characters seen so far has been sensitively handled.

 

In all honesty, any accusations of bigotry it may attract has I suspect more to do with some of the knuckle-dragging fans it has than the game itself.

I think it's a terrific game, also my view of DAI, but they are different.

I don't think any and all accusations are without merit.  I've played some of the first game, and I've seen footage as well.  I had my own complaints, and I try not to dismiss something immediately.

 

 That being said, and this is important, I think that some people are focusing on the most direct sex scenes, the sex cards (a bad idea dropped after the first game) or some of the...less than stellar lines ("Lesbomancy") and using it to condemn the entire series.  Isn't that a little silly?

 

Also, while many of the women are willing to have sex with Geralt, I can't call anything I've seen abuse.  Even the aforementioned "Lesbomancy" scene showed no abuse and largely treated the scene with gravity and respect.  I hated that line coming from the dwarf, and that won't change, but abuse?  Nah, I think some folks are taking the female NPCs willingness to sleep with Geralt as abuse.  I don't think so.  In fact, come to think about it, TW isn't any worse than a lot of media, and actually show a lot of women in a position of power.  

 

 That simply is not fair to the series, and this is coming from someone that isn't a fan.  To me, this would be liking focusing on the CE origin (female side in particular) and similar things about BioWare.  Or how you can have a threesome with Hawke, Isabela and Zevran in DA2 or three or even foursome in the first game as a "sign" that BioWare is pushing sex too hard.  

[SnakeCode]

I've never understood the furore over the "lesbomancy" joke. I get that people think it's in poor taste as with Serendipity in DA2, but I dislike the notion that making jokes including/about (even indirectly) any group other than straight white guys is in poor taste, whilst jokes about straight white guys are acceptable.

 

Edit- By acceptable I mean we never hear complaints or see a ****** over straight guys being the butt of jokes.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited to remove profanity. Please do not post profanity in the forums. 

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[Grieving Natashina]

I've never understood the furore over the "lesbomancy" joke. I get that people think it's in poor taste as with Serendipity in DA2, but I dislike the notion that making jokes including/about (even indirectly) any group other than straight white guys is in poor taste, whilst jokes about straight white guys are acceptable.

My problem wasn't the line, it was that it wasn't the best time for a joke.  The scene just seemed too serious for that, so it felt out of place.  I didn't care that the dwarf was being a bit of a pervert.  Heck, I could have seen Oghren cracking the same line.  I think the joke could have waited until closer to the end of the scene is all.  <shrug>

 

As far as folks getting actively angry about this, I do agree that it's pretty hypocritical.

 

Edit: I am the first to speak out against anyone using anyone else's sex, race, religion, or gender identity as an insult, and I do so every time it happens on the forums if I see it.  I don't care if it's the Western majority either.  Some of the closest men in my life are straight and white (my father, my husband and the best man from our wedding among them,) and it just pisses me off.  As I said earlier, two wrongs don't make a right, which is why I don't go around making "cislord white oppressor" jokes or whatever else tumblr is trying to pull these days.

[KBomb]

Honestly, who thought of giving a character a name like Dudu? It makes me giggle far more than it should and when Geralt says,

Spoiler

I know how to save Dandelion, but we're going to need Dudu.

I always imagine Geralt placing a bag of flaming poop on the steps of the Temple Isle and doorbell dashing. It's just too much.

[Grieving Natashina]

Honestly, who thought of giving a character a name like Dudu? It makes me giggle far more than it should and when Geralt says,

Spoiler

I know how to save Dandelion, but we're going to need Dudu.

I always imagine Geralt placing a bag of flaming poop on the steps of the Temple Isle and doorbell dashing. It's just too much.

 Laughing hard enough to where I trying not to wake up my husband.

 

I'm so tempted to roll up a male dwarf called Dudu Cadash.  That's awful-some.  That's a word my husband and I frequently use to describe something that is so awful it loops around to being awesome.

 

For example: Sharkando was truly awful-some and a helluva lot of fun to watch.

[KBomb]

Laughing hard enough to where I trying not to wake up my husband.

I'm so tempted to roll up a male dwarf called Dudu Cadash. That's awful-some. That's a word my husband and I frequently use to describe something that is so awful it loops around to being awesome.

For example: Sharkando was truly awful-some and a helluva lot of fun to watch.

Haha well, it was even more awful-some when Geralt said, "How are we going to get Dudu to come out of hiding?" I lost my **** and have yet to find it. Sometimes I am too juvenile for my own good.

[Grieving Natashina]

Haha well, it was even more awful-some when Geralt said, "How are we going to get Dudu to come out of hiding?" I lost my **** and have yet to find it. Sometimes I am too juvenile for my own good.

Then that makes two of us.  Here's another like for another laugh.  I don't care what anyone thinks of my sense of humor, that's funny.  

[animedreamer]

I've played a lot further and have more detailed feedback (on what IMO TW3 does better and worse; it's a mixed bag to me), but Jesus, to call most of the outfits I've seen so far abhorrent and an offensive to my senses actually understates how horrible I find them. 

Where did i call the armor and outfits abhorrent? I complimented the Witcher 3 on aesthetic appeal as oppose to DAI? O_o

[Grieving Natashina]

Where did i call the armor and outfits abhorrent? I complimented the Witcher 3 on aesthetic appeal as oppose to DAI? O_o

He's trying not putting words in your mouth.  He said that he found the armor and outfits abhorrent, not saying you did.   Just some odd grammar.  

 

 

I've played a lot further and have more detailed feedback (on what IMO TW3 does better and worse; it's a mixed bag to me), but Jesus, to call most of the outfits I've seen so far abhorrent and an offensive to my senses actually understates how horrible I find them. 

 

In other words, calling the armor in TW3 abhorrent would be an understatement for him in his personal opinion.

[animedreamer]

ok.

[Grieving Natashina]

ok.

By the way, nice elf avatar.  

[menofhorror]

It doesn`t matter anway. I like the game but all in all Bioware simply lacks the talent and the right mentality to be able to make a game as good as Witcher 3. You can wait for that a long time but Bioware isn`t able to do anything else then "generic chosen one is on a quest to save the world" story.

Bioware fans can be delusional and live in the past, not accepting the superior one but its pretty damm obvious that Witcher 3 outmatches DAI in every single category.

[MoonDrummer]

Yet, some if those small villages have more life in them than DAI... what is it, two villages? The Summer Bazaar compared to Novigrad? The Masquerade from the Witcher 3 compared to the one in DAI? Villages where you actually see mothers holding babies, women doing the wash, men working the field, children playing and singing, chickens, geese, cows, goats, pigs,horses and dogs wandering about also add to it.

And some of the places you go to people are speaking foreign languages. It certainly feel more alive.

Not really that difficult, considering Dragon age towns and cities are populated by statue people. 

[Rawgrim]

I am sure EA will try to copy what they can from The Witcher 3 for their next DA game. And the next Elder Scrolls after that.

[Jester]

Honestly, who thought of giving a character a name like Dudu? It makes me giggle far more than it should and when Geralt says,

Well, Andrzej Sapkowski did .

Dudu is a character from the books. 

 

And yes, it sounds kind of goofy in Polish too  . 

[MoonDrummer]

I never thought I'd say this, but DAI's armor looks better than that. 

I only play Dwarf and Dalish in Inquisition because I can only wear the Legion and Dalish armours without feeling the need to stick my eyes out with a pencil.  

[Xetykins]

I am sure EA will try to copy what they can from The Witcher 3 for their next DA game. And the next Elder Scrolls after that.

I hope not a lot though. They can certainly take note of the depth of npc and quest writing though. I saw enough just by looking over my partner's shoulder to say that they are top notch. I'm waiting for him to get to Ciri so I can play, but he's always getting side stepped bedding wenches i suppose, so he is slooooww.

But let Dragon Age be Dragon Age.

[MoonDrummer]

But let Dragon Age be Dragon Age.

What does that even mean though? The only thing Dragon Age 1 and 2 had in common was white background red dragon, and Inquisition decided to do away with even that. 

[Ellana of clan Lavellan]

The Witcher and Dragon Age series are two different flavors of fantasy and some prefer the former, while others prefer the latter. I haven't played TW3 yet, but I'm sure that that game has its own issues as no game is perfect. True, DAI does have its fair share of problems, both major (e.g. lackluster story) and minor (e.g. bad hairstyles), and these issues have to be resolved. TW3 can serve as an example of improvement, and I think it'd be wise if Bioware did, but TW3 is not the only example, its just the one that's directly rivaling DA and the one most detractors flock to. There are other great examples, even in other media such as movies and books, and lets not forget the biggest in literature: The Lord of the Rings.

Honestly I'd like to see DA improve on a lot of things as well, but the best way to do that would be to educate developers in a meaningful and insightful way instead of the OP's "DA should become more like TW, period."
 
Here are some videos from MrBtongue who gives invaluable insights in how to improve immersion in video games:
 
"TUN: The Elder Scrolls VI - Youtubia" (suspension of disbelief & immersion)
 
"TUN: Choice and Consequence" (why choice & consequence is not satisfying anymore)
 
"TUN: The Shandification of Fallout" (worldbuilding, immersion)
 
"TUN: #realismtalk" (heroic vs realistic story arcs, using TW as an example. We also see a clear distinction between DA being heroic vs TW being realistic)
 
"Tasteful, Understated Nerdrage: Dragon Age 2 (SPOILERS)" (feedback & analysis of DA2)

 

And of course there's Extra Credits, they are the best educative channel pertaining video games. Here's one on topic of storywriting:

 

 

I certainly want to urge not only Bioware, but really just anyone to educate themselves with these videos.

Modifié par Ellana of clan Lavellan, 24 mai 2015 - 12:08 .

[PearsAndCherries]

Again, be aware that movement keys WASD in TW3 have been hardcoded for all keyboards, as well as a few other controls. This is causing some trouble for those that use another type of keyboard, or desire to re-map functions to other desired control keys. Currently, many of the PC reviews and CDPR support recommend utilizing a controller, which for a PC owner could be an issue.

I didn't have any key-board problems with TW2. Whatever happens, happens. For now I am excited, if it stops working, causes trouble, crashes whatever then I'll see about that in the future. Nothing I can do about it now.

[AmberDragon]

I just don't see the point of having a village "with life in it", if it's as ridiculously presented as in TW. There are no villages like that. Most of the time these are random houses which are strangely and absurdly grouped, at big distances from each other. Especially funny it is that a few houses randomly standing nearby each other have a name, as if they consider themselves a specific place. If anything, it feels like devs wanted to create villages, but instead we have only metaphorical stand-ins that offer us to imagine that they're real villages.
 
Camps are better imho because they're small and I don't have to imagine that it's a real camp! I can believe it. A few tents, a fire, a handful of people.
 
But I won't mind if there's more "life" added to camps, however it would look like.
 

There are actually still tiny villages just like that in England, so they did and do exist, you can also find pubs out in the middle of nowhere (old coaching inns etc).

I completed six play throughs of DAI and I did like it, but there are just things like the villages, the side quests, decisions actually having consequences, and the war in general, which are done so much better in The Witcher 3 in my opinion.

[Xetykins]

There are actually still tiny villages just like that in England, so they did and do exist, you can also find pubs out in the middle of nowhere (old coaching inns etc).

Indeed. I've seen a few houses in my time in England that was named. A family friend of mine in Cambridge named their home Brixton Court, and nowhere near the street name. And the opposite was called Tweelawn. ( Brixton and Tweelawn is as close as I can name it without giving out the real one). Granted, they are old manor houses though.

[AmberDragon]

I will not know because I am not playing TW3; nor have I played the previous titles. The world looks fairly amazing, but the culture of the game is repellent to me. Profanity is frequently found including the mini-game, as are nudity, sexual matters, and a reported misuse of women. The latter seems to be debatable, but the comparisons made to GoT has me wary. So I choose to skip them both.Here I try not to criticize TW3 except for the things I know exist (eg; hardcoded keys incl movement), but will try and give a proper defense/ feedback of DAI. Personally hope that TW3 does very well, but am annoyed that some choose to denigrate DAI over matters while praising the other, and it has similar problems.

Actually the keys can be changed including the movement keys, people have posted details in their forum and there was a link to instructions for how to change even the movement keys. I thought your statements about how DAI has everything Witcher has were strange, now I see why, if you aren't playing the game then sorry but you can't keep slamming it as you don't know what your talking about. I am actually playing it and so far have seen no profanity or nudity in the mini game for Witcher 3 either. Also apart from one character who you can choose to kill I haven't seen any misuse of women, you can choose not to sleep with women who flirt with Geralt. Nudity I can't help you with, but as I am not a prude it doesn't bother me. You want to keep saying Witcher is no good then play it stop basing opinions on tiny snippets of video you find online because that is giving you a very blinkered idea of the game.

Oh and as I have said before I enjoyed DAI and have played it right through six times, but as I said before in this thread there are things Witcher 3 does so much better.

[Elhanan]

I respect those views.
The language in TW3 is certainly more explicit.
Nudity and sex appears to be similar to DAI.
I haven't seen any misuse of women, and I might add that portrayal of gay/cross-dressing characters seen so far has been sensitively handled.
 
In all honesty, any accusations of bigotry it may attract has I suspect more to do with some of the knuckle-dragging fans it has than the game itself.
I think it's a terrific game, also my view of DAI, but they are different.

The difference that I can tell is that nudity in DAI and most Bioware titles is restricted to the optional Romance arcs, as a rule. So if one explores a Romance with Cassandra, the Player should expect to see nudity; info gathered before launch from frequent threads.

In TW3, nudity can be seen in many locations, as well as sexual content that is outside of Player control. It is also used in the promos. as well as profanity to sell the game.

The misogynistic opinion has been gathered for a long time over the course of the series (also mentioned in ref to GoT material). However, this was brought into question by a couple of professional articles at release; one that brought criticism of the piece by another Developer:

http://www.polygon.c...PC-PS4-Xbox-one

http://www.gamezone....-review-3416520

All that said, it is the frequent use of profanity that bothers me most. In Bioware games, I can bench followers that use it (eg, James Vega, Jack, Zaeed Massani , Iron Bull, Blackwall), and rarely hear it from others in the games. In the TW series, it is frequently heard from many in the game, and also used in one of the promos to sell the latest title.

Now I am a big boy; have served in the military, worked in several places that others may have had lesser discretion, etc, but largely this is considered unprofessional. If one were to use it in the military to a superior, or possibly over the radio or other public forum, discipline might be introduced. In business, it could cost a suspension or a job depending on context. It is even restricted on many public forums, BSN included.

To me, it is inferior language, unprofessional, and is less than the perfection many seek from one another. And I certainly do not wish to pay for it to assault me. And when I hear it used in vids, promos, and even written on the cards used in a mini-game, choose to pass on said content, no matter if the remaining game looks beautiful. It would be like admiring the graphically appealing steeds developed for the game, but still smelling the manure in the stalls.

EDIT: The Dev responding was not from CDPR.

[SnakeCode]

Lol at citing anything from Polygon as a "professional" article.