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[nfi42]

iow a positive  Crazymonkey 

 

I agree Ciri dead ending is hard on the feels,  I am going to do that ending once more though in a complete playthrough with all dlc and I think I'll try all the bad decisions and see what that does to my feels.

[slimgrin]

I hate the Ciri is dead ending and the Geralt might be dead ending. I think I might hate the latter as much as ME3's multi-colored clusterf*ck. Killing off your protagonist is, imo, a very damaging thing to do in a series. 'Maybe' killing them off is even worse. My Geralt had much more to live for other than Ciri.  

[Hazegurl]

I hate the Ciri is dead ending and the Geralt might be dead ending. I think I might hate the latter as much as ME3's multi-colored clusterf*ck. Killing off your protagonist is, imo, a very damaging thing to do in a series. 'Maybe' killing them off is even worse. My Geralt had much more to live for other than Ciri.  

I agree, I don't think he would end his life over Ciri no matter how much he loves her, and to die to a bunch of drowners? Nope.  Thankfully B&W confirms that Geralt doesn't die.

 

What gets me the most about the Ciri dies ending is that Triss or Yen leaves Geralt. I just don't get it.  It makes it seem like their feelings for him are shallow.

[Xetykins]

I could get why Yen would leave Geralt if Ciri dies though, but not Triss.

[Onecrazymonkey1]

I agree, I don't think he would end his life over Ciri no matter how much he loves her, and to die to a bunch of drowners? Nope.  Thankfully B&W confirms that Geralt doesn't die.

 

What gets me the most about the Ciri dies ending is that Triss or Yen leaves Geralt. I just don't get it.  It makes it seem like their feelings for him are shallow.

 

WAIT WHAT? That's what happens? The ciri dies ending I played through on a second save where I turned down Yen and Triss pining for Shani, so when I ended up forever alone on that save I expected this. Is this a possible bug? that seems really strange that they leave if you romance them. : /

[nfi42]

Gerald could still be in a relationship in the bad ending, It's not stated. If so, why wouldn't he pick his sword up and fight after his emotional crisis.

[Onecrazymonkey1]

 

Gerald could still be in a relationship in the bad ending, It's not stated. If so, why wouldn't he pick his sword up and fight after his emotional crisis.

 

 

Hmm, now I need to try and get the bad ending while he's in a relationship for science, I thought it would state differently if he were in one. Interesting.......

 

 

EDIT: I've never tried this but are you able to not help triss with the now or never quest? (I think that's the name) I would like to know if non humans are still persecuted if you don't help the mages escape, or if it's even an option not to help her. 

[nfi42]

Hmm, now I need to try and get the bad ending while he's in a relationship for science, I thought it would state differently if he were in one. Interesting.......

 

I could be wrong,  usually am.

[DragonRageGT]

Why is The Witcher 3 the best game ever!
3 quests, overs 2 hours captured, to remember and praise in awe. Still, only 0.0005% of the game!

https://www.youtube....VfOqPXhb4P7P0k0 via @YouTube

[Hazegurl]

 

Gerald could still be in a relationship in the bad ending, It's not stated. If so, why wouldn't he pick his sword up and fight after his emotional crisis.

 

You're right. It's not stated. If Ciri dies and you romance Yen or Triss, the romance epilogue is missing (It never mentions settling down in Kovir or retiring with Yen).  And in B&W, you automatically get Dandelion as your visitor, no Triss or Yen. idk, seems like Geralt got dumped....or he dumped them?

 

 

I could get why Yen would leave Geralt if Ciri dies though, but not Triss.

 I suppose it makes sense for Yen to leave, she was like a mother to Ciri.  But it's not like it was Geralt's fault she died.

[Onecrazymonkey1]

You're right. It's not stated. If Ciri dies and you romance Yen or Triss, the romance epilogue is missing (It never mentions settling down in Kovir or retiring with Yen).  And in B&W, you automatically get Dandelion as your visitor, no Triss or Yen. idk, seems like Geralt got dumped....or he dumped them?

 

 

 I suppose it makes sense for Yen to leave, she was like a mother to Ciri.  But it's not like it was Geralt's fault she died.

 

Hmm, that's why I think it's possible that this could be a bug. A lot of people I've spoken to said they picked Ciri as empress but she still showed up as a witcher and yet there is a youtube video were someone got into the files and released a video with her visiting as empress ( being groomed as an empress more like.)

 

Well, at least I hope it's a bug, because it's pretty sad for either yen or triss to leave him for that. I honestly see that as out of character for both of them. : /

[nfi42]

You're right. It's not stated. If Ciri dies and you romance Yen or Triss, the romance epilogue is missing (It never mentions settling down in Kovir or retiring with Yen).  And in B&W, you automatically get Dandelion as your visitor, no Triss or Yen. idk, seems like Geralt got dumped....or he dumped them?

 

 

 I suppose it makes sense for Yen to leave, she was like a mother to Ciri.  But it's not like it was Geralt's fault she died.

 

 

I guess there is a strong case for Ciri/Yenn to still be with Geralt.  Dandelion showing up does not necessarily mean that either C/W have left nor Geralt tossing them out,  they're somewhere else or on secret  Lodge business.  Just speculating as I haven't got there yet.

[Dutchess]

Hmm, now I need to try and get the bad ending while he's in a relationship for science, I thought it would state differently if he were in one. Interesting.......

 

 

EDIT: I've never tried this but are you able to not help triss with the now or never quest? (I think that's the name) I would like to know if non humans are still persecuted if you don't help the mages escape, or if it's even an option not to help her. 

 

Yes, you can leave Now or Never unfinished, which means the witch hunt in Novigrad remains focused on mages. I'm trying to find where I read that but only keep getting results about how to do the quest.

[Blooddrunk1004]

I would see Geralt make the following 4 decisions:

• I would take the money from the emperor.  It's my job I'm a witcher.
• I would go into the meeting with the lodge sisters.  Big pressure for Ciri to go in by herself.
• I would not flip the book off the table in Pali Gap. Cir's tanti is just childish.
• I would not go to Craven's grave.  No pressure,  I would let her go on here own.

Here's my take on all these situations:

 

Geralt accepting the money makes him look like an a-hole because it gives Ciri a wrong impression that one of the only few people who actually cares and loves her only saved her to get some coins. I even like how Ciri grabs Geralt's hand if he refuses the reward, love between those two is stronger than any contract or money.

 

Lodge was making me scratch my head for couple of minutes before i decided, since i've read the novels i always knew that Lodge, including Triss always had "special plans" for Ciri and wanted to use her for personal gains + considering what Lodge and Philippa do in TW2 it makes sense if you don't trust them with Ciri even if it's just a small talk in the room right next to you.

 

I've probably disliked Avalach's lab the most, you either allow her to smash the lab or you are forced to tell her that she is only special because of her heritage, i kinda wish there was middle ground to tell her that she doesn't need to smash the lab but at the same that she also doesn't have accept her Elder Blood destiny.

 

Skjall's grave was handled well in my opinion. She simply asks you to accompany her so she can mourn and share pain with Geralt when they bury him.

[nfi42]

Here's my take on all these situations:

 

Geralt accepting the money makes him look like an a-hole because it gives Ciri a wrong impression that one of the only few people who actually cares and loves her only saved her to get some coins. I even like how Ciri grabs Geralt's hand if he refuses the reward, love between those two is stronger than any contract or money.

 

Lodge was making me scratch my head for couple of minutes before i decided, since i've read the novels i always knew that Lodge, including Triss always had "special plans" for Ciri and wanted to use her for personal gains + considering what Lodge and Philippa do in TW2 it makes sense if you don't trust them with Ciri even if it's just a small talk in the room right next to you.

 

I've probably disliked Avalach's lab the most, you either allow her to smash the lab or you are forced to tell her that she is only special because of her heritage, i kinda wish there was middle ground to tell her that she doesn't need to smash the lab but at the same that she also doesn't have accept her Elder Blood destiny.

 

Skjall's grave was handled well in my opinion. She simply asks you to accompany her so she can mourn and share pain with Geralt when they bury him.

 

 

i don't think Ciri should have been concerned about Gerald, she knows he's a witcher and has to make his bread and butter.  I also think Ciri's reaction should have been f u, you should pay Geralt more for raising me, you arse of a dad.  That's what I expected to see, and was surprised to see disappointment.  I've never really, understood the attitude of not accepting money in these situations.  The moral high ground can be an awfully poor place.

 

The other 3 options an go either way, but in light of me believing that Ciri still is still just a adult child with a bit of  a bad attitude (understandably though) that would require some parental nudges in the right direction as well as support in pressure situations, even just to be the visible silent bystander.

 

I don't find it difficult to play it this way, but I do find it difficult in light of the ending.

[Wolven_Soul]

But even for people who are not worthy of sympathy, death is a not justifiable punishment either. Another great example is Olgierd in HoS who is a murdering warlord desperately made deal with demon to save his marriage but ruined everything. Hence the eternal torment of his soul by the demon is a suitable end?  Sympathy or hatred alone should be the justification for one's life or death.    

 

Perhaps not a justifiable punishment for the people of Downwarren.  But those children deserve to live more than they do, so the decision is still really easy for me to make. 

 

Olgierd however, he was an absolute horror of a human being.  He absolutely destroyed the life of his wife, murdered her father, left her in the care of a bunch of demons.  He was a bandit, he was going to allow his people to murder that poor fellow before you intervene.  And the guy did a host of other terrible things.  So yeah, I find his potential end entirely suitable if you make the choice to send him on his way with Gaunter O'Dimm. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I liked the character a lot, he was absolutely fascinating, but I wouldn't want to have anything to do with the man if I were a part of that world.

[KBomb]

Here's my take on all these situations:

Geralt accepting the money makes him look like an a-hole because it gives Ciri a wrong impression that one of the only few people who actually cares and loves her only saved her to get some coins. I even like how Ciri grabs Geralt's hand if he refuses the reward, love between those two is stronger than any contract or money.

Lodge was making me scratch my head for couple of minutes before i decided, since i've read the novels i always knew that Lodge, including Triss always had "special plans" for Ciri and wanted to use her for personal gains + considering what Lodge and Philippa do in TW2 it makes sense if you don't trust them with Ciri even if it's just a small talk in the room right next to you.

I've probably disliked Avalach's lab the most, you either allow her to smash the lab or you are forced to tell her that she is only special because of her heritage, i kinda wish there was middle ground to tell her that she doesn't need to smash the lab but at the same that she also doesn't have accept her Elder Blood destiny.

Skjall's grave was handled well in my opinion. She simply asks you to accompany her so she can mourn and share pain with Geralt when they bury him.

The lab scene is perhaps one of my most favorite scenes. I loved indulging her, especially after she was humiliated. It just felt like something to do with her and Yenn's mustache was the icing on the cake.

I once helped a friend saran wrap her boyfriend's entire car at 3am because he was cheating on her. I wouldn't normally do something like that, but sometimes immature actions just make you feel better. The lab was one of those moments.

Edit: I also 100% agree with you about the money for Ciri. No way my Geralt would have accepted it. Ciri was not a package or a contract. Well, not to my Geralt anyway.

[Nette]

Perhaps not a justifiable punishment for the people of Downwarren.  But those children deserve to live more than they do, so the decision is still really easy for me to make. 
 
Olgierd however, he was an absolute horror of a human being.  He absolutely destroyed the life of his wife, murdered her father, left her in the care of a bunch of demons.  He was a bandit, he was going to allow his people to murder that poor fellow before you intervene.  And the guy did a host of other terrible things.  So yeah, I find his potential end entirely suitable if you make the choice to send him on his way with Gaunter O'Dimm. 
 
Don't get me wrong, I liked the character a lot, he was absolutely fascinating, but I wouldn't want to have anything to do with the man if I were a part of that world.

That "poor fellow" is not so innocent

Spoiler

he killed the owner of the house.

That's why Olgierd wanted him dead.

[Dutchess]

Olgierd still wasn't exactly a nice or honorable guy. His brother's life was to be payment for his deal with O'Dim, and he agreed to it. The bandits may have been the ones to actually kill Vlodimir, but Olgierd had already signed the contract too. Ultimately he was willing to trade his brother's life for a devilish deal. 

[TmTapani]

Kotaku, yes, but the images are still worth it

 

http://kotaku.com/th...tion-1782465440

 

 

 

 

[Hazegurl]

Yes, you can leave Now or Never unfinished, which means the witch hunt in Novigrad remains focused on mages. I'm trying to find where I read that but only keep getting results about how to do the quest.

 

Here's the vid about the mages and the Now or Never Quest:

[nfi42]

But even for people who are not worthy of sympathy, death is a not justifiable punishment either. Another great example is Olgierd in HoS who is a murdering warlord desperately made deal with demon to save his marriage but ruined everything. Hence the eternal torment of his soul by the demon is a suitable end?  Sympathy or hatred alone should be the justification for one's life or death.    

 

 

 

 

 

Olgierd however, he was an absolute horror of a human being.  He absolutely destroyed the life of his wife, murdered her father, left her in the care of a bunch of demons.  He was a bandit, he was going to allow his people to murder that poor fellow before you intervene.  And the guy did a host of other terrible things.  So yeah, I find his potential end entirely suitable if you make the choice to send him on his way with Gaunter O'Dimm. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I liked the character a lot, he was absolutely fascinating, but I wouldn't want to have anything to do with the man if I were a part of that world.

 

 

Olgierd still wasn't exactly a nice or honorable guy. His brother's life was to be payment for his deal with O'Dim, and he agreed to it. The bandits may have been the ones to actually kill Vlodimir, but Olgierd had already signed the contract too. Ultimately he was willing to trade his brother's life for a devilish deal. 

 

Olgierd was evil long before meeting G.O.D,  which makes in my mind, the toughest decision.  Are people born evil or do external influences make them evil or both.  It seems to be both for Olgierd.

 

It's too difficult for me to decide, so I cop out and choose the ending that gives me the loot I want.

[Hazegurl]

Perhaps not a justifiable punishment for the people of Downwarren.  But those children deserve to live more than they do, so the decision is still really easy for me to make. 

 

Olgierd however, he was an absolute horror of a human being.  He absolutely destroyed the life of his wife, murdered her father, left her in the care of a bunch of demons.  He was a bandit, he was going to allow his people to murder that poor fellow before you intervene.  And the guy did a host of other terrible things.  So yeah, I find his potential end entirely suitable if you make the choice to send him on his way with Gaunter O'Dimm. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I liked the character a lot, he was absolutely fascinating, but I wouldn't want to have anything to do with the man if I were a part of that world.

I agree that Olgierd had done a lot of horrible deeds, but almost everything he did was because of the curse.  He couldn't feel anything and I think it made him a sociopath.  He tried hard to get rid of the curse and take care of his wife the only way he knew how, even if it was demented and creepy.

 

But that guy deserved to get beheaded so I let them do it.  Although, the fight scene between Geralt and Olgierd was good.

 

 

Olgierd still wasn't exactly a nice or honorable guy. His brother's life was to be payment for his deal with O'Dim, and he agreed to it. The bandits may have been the ones to actually kill Vlodimir, but Olgierd had already signed the contract too. Ultimately he was willing to trade his brother's life for a devilish deal. 

I agree, he signed the contract knowing his brother would die. I would say this is probably the only horrible thing he did because he wasn't cursed when this happens.  He was so desperate to hold on to his fiancee he was willing to sacrifice anyone. But I think dealing with O'Dimm for the X amount of years he had to was punishment enough, so I opt to save him.

[nfi42]

How old is Ciri meant to be?

 

I've read the books so I know she hasn't had good childhood etc etc.  I've just done "Child of the Elder Blood", avallac'h secret hideout in Skellege and she really is in Vesimir's words "unruly".

 

In no way should someone with this temperament be running Nilfgaard without a lot training and more more maturity.

[Wolven_Soul]

I agree that Olgierd had done a lot of horrible deeds, but almost everything he did was because of the curse.  He couldn't feel anything and I think it made him a sociopath.  He tried hard to get rid of the curse and take care of his wife the only way he knew how, even if it was demented and creepy.

 

But that guy deserved to get beheaded so I let them do it.  Although, the fight scene between Geralt and Olgierd was good.

 

 

I agree, he signed the contract knowing his brother would die. I would say this is probably the only horrible thing he did because he wasn't cursed when this happens.  He was so desperate to hold on to his fiancee he was willing to sacrifice anyone. But I think dealing with O'Dimm for the X amount of years he had to was punishment enough, so I opt to save him.

 

That curse is no excuse for the things that he did.  The curse didn't make him do the things he did, he chose to do them, that makes him responsible for them.  Yes, he was a sociopath and he couldn't feel anything, that is an even greater reason for him to be put down.