Your missing the point. Your critique is valid for you. It's complete hogwash for anyone who has played the game.
Even though I vastly prefer Yennefer because of the books, I don't feel like they put in enough time into her either and while I'm not particularly that fond of Triss she deserved better for the fans that do like her, just like Shani should have been a valid option from the beginning for her fans.
Witcher 3 is one of my favorite games but I'm no fangirl, some of my biggest complaints I have are them nearly wiping out the mother daughter aspect with Yennefer and Ciri; sometimes I almost felt like game Ciri didn't even care about Yen. Yen's quest also bothered me, even though the sequence and setting was beautiful. However they basically reduced Geralt's love for yen down to a wish which was just not true . The wish was not love, Geralt was the wish holder and because of that the djinn couldn't kill him, which means the wish had to be something (ambiguous as it was) that would bind their fates not their love, that's it. This also means that if someone preferred Geralt ending up with Triss in their game there was no problem with that, there was no wish stopping it at all.
Also, the ending with the white frost, Avallach, Eredin and the whole Aen elle race were rushed and Iorveth should have been in the game even though I prefer Broche.
So what I hope for CD projekt from future titles is this; stop rushing endings, add more meat to characters and have better continuations between games. As for Bioware, they need to design worlds that actually feel like they're lived in, put more detail into side quests and never give a color coded ending again. There are valid criticisms to be made for any game and sometimes the best thing to do is to take inspiration from the things another game gets right. I don't understand why some think it's a fan war but C'est la vie I guess.
I am not ashamed to admit I am a Witcher fangirl. TW3 is high, high on my list of greatest games I ever played. That being said, I can see flaws, too. I won't get into them because I have posted before and to be honest, most of my complaints were fixed in patches or DLCs, but I agree with the Shani fans who were disappointed she was glossed over in TW2. I was glad for the Shani fans in HoS, but I also agree with Tommy that it tried to smoosh us with her.
I agree with you that it shouldn't be a war between fans. I can't speak for everyone, but in my case, if I didn't like DA and ME, I wouldn't be here. I have been here since the beginning when it was the old site with Origins. DAI and ME3 have left me sad and worried about future games. When I see games that work and appeal to the elements I want to see in future games, then yes, I do hope Bioware pays attention. I want to play MEA and be able to talk about how awesome that game was. I want to really love the next DA game. I want to be able to feel the same enthusiasm I feel with those games like I feel when I pop in TW3. I understand not everyone is a fan of the Witcher series and would prefer if Bioware stay away from it's template and that's fine. For my part, though? Whether Bioware take notice of CDPR or not, something has to change. It feels to me like they're getting left behind and I don't wish to see that happen.
The issue here is you're talking about someone who literally does not regard anyone else's opinion as valid, unless it happens to fall perfectly in line with his own. That's my one takeaway from the endless fights about "mature content" that we had in the MEA forum.
As Lambert said "You do like poking the hornets nest". It does apply to me at times.
I agree with you that it shouldn't be a war between fans. I can't speak for everyone, but in my case, if I didn't like DA and ME, I wouldn't be here. I have been here since the beginning when it was the old site with Origins. DAI and ME3 have left me sad and worried about future games. When I see games that work and appeal to the elements I want to see in future games, then yes, I do hope Bioware pays attention. I want to play MEA and be able to talk about how awesome that game was. I want to really love the next DA game. I want to be able to feel the same enthusiasm I feel with those games like I feel when I pop in TW3. I understand not everyone is a fan of the Witcher series and would prefer if Bioware stay away from it's template and that's fine. For my part, though? Whether Bioware take notice of CDPR or not, something has to change. It feels to me like they're getting left behind and I don't wish to see that happen.
Heck if Skyrim was the inspiration for DAI, then Bioware should stop looking over the fence. I too want unique Bioware games not clones of others.
Heck if Skyrim was the inspiration for DAI, then Bioware should stop looking over the fence. I too want unique Bioware games not, clones of others.
I think that's what a lot of people misunderstand. I honestly haven't seen anyone who has wanted that Bioware flavor gone and let it become a clone of The Witcher. Bioware really does do some special stuff that make them stand out. Most just want fixes to quests, environments, and the bones of gameplay--no one is asking for Bioware to become CDPR. Though, I do think they could learn a lot from them, but so could a lot of companies.
And sometimes I think I am the only one who likes Skyrim. Though, I liked Oblivion, too. 
And sometimes I think I am the only one who likes Skyrim. Though, I liked Oblivion, too.
At any given moment, regardless of which game is my primary focus, I'm still farting around in Skyrim. When Dragon Age, Mass Effect, and the Witcher are all fading memories, I'll still probably be playing Skyrim.
Hell, when TES6 finally comes out, and is inevitably stupid in all the stupid ways that Fallout 4 is stupid... I'll still be playing Skyrim.
This is why you're one of my favorites.
Though.....I like Fallout 4 too, but to be honest--this is my first Fallout game so I really don't have anything to previously compare it to. I have heard a lot of fans of the series express the same opinion as you. I do plan to play the earlier ones some day, so it is possible my opinion will change.
Your missing the point. Your critique is valid for you. It's complete hogwash for anyone who has played the game.
The issue here is you're talking about someone who literally does not regard anyone else's opinion as valid, unless it happens to fall perfectly in line with his own. That's my one takeaway from the endless fights about "mature content" that we had in the MEA forum.
I can live with the shame, as long as I do not have to play it, too....
This is fine by me.
That would make for a really really long game. Of all the things you point out, some I agree with some not so much, Eredin and the Aen Elle should have been fleshed out more, iirc, CDPR have admitted as much. As to the white frost, I think they showed too much. Start the epilogue just after Ciri enters the portal, and the "white frost" is left to our imagination, more powerful story telling in my mind.
Hey, I wouldn't mind if the Witcher 3 were longer. 
However I don't think it would have added that much more. I think there could've been a way to add Iorveth or at least have put him in one of the expansions. They wouldn't have even had to make it a long quest with him; I was just shocked that he was missing after having two completely diverging paths during the witcher 2 and I kind of missed him a bit. Witcher 3 has tons of beautiful side quests but I would have sacrificed just a few of them for a little more attention to these other areas. I know it's a hard balance to strike though, so I'm not unreasonable.
I would have just cut the white frost all together and used that time to focus on the wild hunt, maybe a flashback from Geralt or Ciri could have helped, nothing overly large but I can respect that might just be my opinion.
As for Ciri and yen, with just a few extra lines from Ciri referring to yen as her mom then I would have been satisfied; it's just that you see such a close bond with Geralt and Ciri and they don't really show it with her and yen. All in all though, there's far more good then bad and I'm really just being nit picky right now but I'm like this with every game I play.
I am not ashamed to admit I am a Witcher fangirl. TW3 is high, high on my list of greatest games I ever played. That being said, I can see flaws, too. I won't get into them because I have posted before and to be honest, most of my complaints were fixed in patches or DLCs, but I agree with the Shani fans who were disappointed she was glossed over in TW2. I was glad for the Shani fans in HoS, but I also agree with Tommy that it tried to smoosh us with her.
I agree with you that it shouldn't be a war between fans. I can't speak for everyone, but in my case, if I didn't like DA and ME, I wouldn't be here. I have been here since the beginning when it was the old site with Origins. DAI and ME3 have left me sad and worried about future games. When I see games that work and appeal to the elements I want to see in future games, then yes, I do hope Bioware pays attention. I want to play MEA and be able to talk about how awesome that game was. I want to really love the next DA game. I want to be able to feel the same enthusiasm I feel with those games like I feel when I pop in TW3. I understand not everyone is a fan of the Witcher series and would prefer if Bioware stay away from it's template and that's fine. For my part, though? Whether Bioware take notice of CDPR or not, something has to change. It feels to me like they're getting left behind and I don't wish to see that happen.
I agree with you, which is why I'm always curious as to why some people don't take any constructive criticism well; it's constructive, it's meant for future improvement. Witcher 3 is one of my top games and realistically probably as close to perfection as a game can get for me, which was close to how I felt about DA Origins as well. I guess it's just when I think of fanboy or fangirl I immediately think of someone who's blind to a fault which hinders improvement instead of helping but that could just be my interpretation. I mean, the witcher game's made so many improvements on critiques alone that it's unreal and I like how they don't overdo it either, which is something I would like from Bioware in the future; Bioware seems to have a habit of throwing the baby out with the bathwater lately. Anyway, I find your posts waaay too reasonable to be a fangirl but then maybe I should just reconsider my perception of the word. 
Hey, I wouldn't mind if the Witcher 3 were longer.
However I don't think it would have added that much more. I think there could've been a way to add Iorveth or at least have put him in one of the expansions. They wouldn't have even had to make it a long quest with him; I was just shocked that he was missing after having two completely diverging paths during the witcher 2 and I kind of missed him a bit. Witcher 3 has tons of beautiful side quests but I would have sacrificed just a few of them for a little more attention to these other areas. I know it's a hard balance to strike though, so I'm not unreasonable.
I would have just cut the white frost all together and used that time to focus on the wild hunt, maybe a flashback from Geralt or Ciri could have helped, nothing overly large but I can respect that might just be my opinion.
As for Ciri and yen, with just a few extra lines from Ciri referring to yen as her mom then I would have been satisfied; it's just that you see such a close bond with Geralt and Ciri and they don't really show it with her and yen. All in all though, there's far more good then bad and I'm really just being nit picky right now but I'm like this with every game I play.
I might have to reread the books. I always see Ciri and Geralt's fate entwined but not Yennifer's and Ciri. Ciri at one point even makes comment on Yenn's pushiness.
Perhaps Iorveth will pop up in a new game.
Agree with the white frost thing.
I wouldn't say the majority is anti-Bioware, as I would say they are disenchanted.
That right there. I don't think anyone here is anti Bioware. Everyone who posts here have grown up playing their older, more superior games. We just want them to be that Bioware again.
This is a pretty accurate assessment. Have to admit though, sometimes it's fun to let your hair down and get Elahan to show his true colors. Since I am guilty in that regard, I have to drink some of the blame.
Yeah, but dang it's always fun to watch. *raises a toast*
This is exactly why you need to read all books, Triss da traitor is one of the most selfish and horrible one in books.
I've read the first book, and I will get around to reading the others. And I gotta say, I absolutely do not understand why Geralt is so infatuated with Yennefer. What she did to him when they first met, I would have walked away and let that Djinn take her down.
They've actually patched the fishbowl effect by making it a toggle.
And Gwent... seriously? A fun little, optional card game which due to its popularity is getting its own game.
They've introduced profanity into the DA universe as well, but that's a whole other debate as to whether or not that should continue - I'm neutral on that one. Perhaps they should have gone the BSG approach and made up their own words when using profanity could have been a better road for DA to go down.
When it comes to 'profanity', I have long since developed a view that they are but words, and that for the most part, it is only our perception of them that makes them 'bad'. For instance. Butt, rear end, back porch, derriere, rumble seat, are all words that mean the same thing. But there is another word that also means the same thing that for some reason, over time, has been come to be considered bad.
When it comes to 'profanity', I have long since developed a view that they are but words, and that for the most part, it is only our perception of them that makes them 'bad'. For instance. Butt, rear end, back porch, derriere, rumble seat, are all words that mean the same thing. But there is another word that also means the same thing that for some reason, over time, has been come to be considered bad.
I would say both Yenn and Triss are flawed characters in the books, though I don't understand the hatred for either.I've read the first book, and I will get around to reading the others. And I gotta say, I absolutely do not understand why Geralt is so infatuated with Yennefer. What she did to him when they first met, I would have walked away and let that Djinn take her down.
I've read the first book, and I will get around to reading the others. And I gotta say, I absolutely do not understand why Geralt is so infatuated with Yennefer. What she did to him when they first met, I would have walked away and let that Djinn take her down.
eh who can say why he was infatuated? Love and infatuation are often irrational and Yen is beautiful. Maybe it was when he realized that she was also a hunchback that a bit of understanding took it's course? (It's been a while since I read the book but didn't he realize right away? could be wrong.) Anyway Geralt is always reviled for being a freak so he would have to understand a bit what she felt like and maybe saw a kindred spirit. Also, while I didn't like yen in the beginning, what she did didn't warrant a death sentence either and she certainly proved herself over the course of the series. Even Regis, one of the kindest characters was a killer at one time and Geralt is just good guy who is willing to go out of his way to lift curses instead of kill, save instead of maim; He did die trying to save people after all.
Yen and Triss are both flawed but are both good people in different ways. Yen can be cold and mean but is fiercely loyal and would die for someone she cared about, Triss is sweet and kind but I sometimes feel like she gets in over her head and tends to buckle under fear and loyalty to the lodge. I love that they're flawed honestly, perfect characters can be boring....
sorry for the ramble.
Triss is no proxy to Yen by the time we reach the end of TW2. She's her own character with her own arc. I have ideas on why they made her too saccharine and less complex in TW3, It was likely to act as a more accommodating foil to Yen. There's no getting away from Yen's selfish and cold nature, a hard sell to newcomers. None of it matters since Shani ninjas both of them as hands down the best romance option in TW3.
BTW, I totally called this on their site, I said it like two years ago, that bringing Yen in so late was a huge mistake and it would bungle their attempts to close Triss' arc. Yes I sound smug about it now, but when you see it coming, well...
But choosing to use the one that is known to be observed as bad by others may offend them; even here it violates the ToS and can be disciplined for the usage. So while the meaning may be equal, the effect is observably not the same.
But choosing to use the one that is known to be observed as bad by others may offend them; even here it violates the ToS and can be disciplined for the usage. So while the meaning may be equal, the effect is observably not the same.
That's the whole point of using a given term - the desired effect and the semantic weight that other words lack. Those things work together to set tone or establish characterization (among many other applications). They have artistic value, and employing them in their writing is a deliberate and valid artistic choice.
The ToS on this silly forum are irrelevant. Couldn't be farther removed from the content of the stories Bioware tells.
And overuse of said terms dilutes any intended impact. Artistic value is measured; I also like the color purple, but there is too much violets in games today already.
The ToS seems to well indicate that the use of one word differs than another with the same meaning.
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