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[slimgrin]

Never seen anything like you Elhanan. You could ignore the thread and be perfectly happy. You could accept the fact Bioware nixxed off topic and accept it besides the stupid title.   

[FKA_Servo]

And overuse of said terms dilutes any intended impact. Artistic value is measured; I also like the color purple, but there is too much violets in games today already.

The ToS seems to well indicate that the use of one word differs than another with the same meaning.

No one is suggesting overuse, and as has been established, your preference is for none whatsoever, which isn't helpful- or realistic - or reasonable for that matter. And while I'm aware that your rejoinder is going to be "something something DAO" - that's also irrelevant to what Bioware might choose to put in a future game.

And clearly the words have different connotations. I believe that's the first thing I said in the post to which you're responding. But what the ToS has to say on the subject is, once again, irrelevant. What we're empowered to say on this social forum has nothing whatsoever to do with the content of the games that Bioware creates.

[FKA_Servo]

Never seen anything like you Elhanan. You could ignore the thread and be perfectly happy.

Not sure about that. There's a word for his behavior in this thread, but I'm not gonna touch it because whenever I bandy that accusation around, I seem to get a warning point.

[Xetykins]

Yeah. Our Elhanan is a Bioware white knight who does not like a
ANYTHING about a game he never played when most of us here at least liked some aspects of DAI and quite happy to say it.

And when you try and engage in a conversation with him, what you get 99% all the time is "assumption" or.... go touch another totally different aspect of TW3 he does not like, as opposed to keeping up with the convo.

Yeah there is a word for Elhanan and I think I will get banned for saying it.

[Wolven_Soul]

I am not ashamed to admit I am a Witcher fangirl. TW3 is high, high on my list of greatest games I ever played. That being said, I can see flaws, too. I won't get into them because I have posted before and to be honest, most of my complaints were fixed in patches or DLCs, but I agree with the Shani fans who were disappointed she was glossed over in TW2. I was glad for the Shani fans in HoS, but I also agree with Tommy that it tried to smoosh us with her. 

 

I agree with you that it shouldn't be a war between fans. I can't speak for everyone, but in my case, if I didn't like DA and ME, I wouldn't be here. I have been here since the beginning when it was the old site with Origins. DAI and ME3 have left me sad and worried about future games. When I see games that work and appeal to the elements I want to see in future games, then yes, I do hope Bioware pays attention. I want to play MEA and be able to talk about how awesome that game was. I want to really love the next DA game. I want to be able to feel the same enthusiasm I feel with those games like I feel when I pop in TW3. I understand not everyone is a fan of the Witcher series and would prefer if Bioware stay away from it's template and that's fine. For my part, though? Whether Bioware take notice of CDPR or not, something has to change. It feels to me like they're getting left behind and I don't wish to see that happen.

 

I don't really consider myself a fanboy of anything.  Except for Brandon Sanderson's books.  Gods that dude is magnificent. 

 

If there was any video game series though that I was a fanboy of, it would be Witcher.  But like Bomb I definitely see the game's faults.  To me they are few, and most of them minor, and yes, patchs and DLC has fixed most of them.  The ending of the main game was rushed, and the villains were under developed which might be the game's biggest fault, but the DLC's definitely fixed that issue and gave us a proper ending and send off. 

 

I used to love Bioware, they used to hang the moon for me.  I would play anything that had their name attached to it.  I would buy their stuff day 1 no questions asked, no gameplay footage needed to be seen.  They were that good.  But it does feel like they are being left behind.  I think it is more to do with their EA overlords than themselves, but it's happening, and I hate it, it depresses me.  I want to see the Bioware of old again.  I hope we get to, but I am not holding my breath.  After all, how many developers has EA consumed and tossed aside now?

[Wolven_Soul]

I think that's what a lot of people misunderstand. I honestly haven't seen anyone who has wanted that Bioware flavor gone and let it become a clone of The Witcher. Bioware really does do some special stuff that make them stand out. Most just want fixes to quests, environments, and the bones of gameplay--no one is asking for Bioware to become CDPR. Though, I do think they could learn a lot from them, but so could a lot of companies.

 

And sometimes I think I am the only one who likes Skyrim. Though, I liked Oblivion, too. 

 

Your definitely not the only one that likes Skyrim.  I loved the crap out of that game.  I will be getting the remastered version when it comes out on current gen consoles, and I will play the crap out of it again. 

 

Man I made so many characters in that game, I could never decide what I wanted to play.  One handed weapon, one hand magic, weapon and shield, sneaky dagger rogue, sneaky arrow rogue.  I could never decide what I wanted to play, because I liked them all.  The only playstyle I never really got into was full mage.  My favorite was definitely sword in one hand, magic in the other.  I felt like a blade singer. 

[Wolven_Soul]

Appropriately enough, the reason it's annoying is because they're trying to be too much like Bioware, but they're not very good at it, and it cripples any RP potential and replayability from the start. The first rule of any Beth game henceforth should be that the main quest line remains optional. The second rule is that the player character should remain a totally undefined rando.

If I want to make a vault dweller who doesn't care about her stupid kid or the main quest and just wants to screw her way across the commonwealth, I can't. Because progressing the main quest is unavoidable and more than half of my voiced dialogue options shoehorn me into fretting about my child. Never any acknowledgment of Dogmeat, my real son, either.

The funny part about all of the above is that I still really like Fallout 4 too. Mostly for the companions, who are really good this time around. But they're not making it easy. And barring something unexpected, I know I won't be playing it in a year or two, which is disappointing.

 

I have to agree.  One of the great things about TES games is that your just some random dude/dudette getting out of jail or captivity or execution.  There is nothing more defined about you than that.  It might limit the story possibilities a little, but it makes for a really good experience as far as exploration goes. 

 

Might be one of the reasons FO:NV worked so well for so many people.  It was just about making the decision about what to do with Vegas and getting a little revenge along the way.  No urgency about finding a child or finding your father.  Though I thought the story about bringing pure water to the Capital Wasteland was pretty neat. 

 

I would say that the companions were a good deal better, but for me personally, they could still get a lot better at it.  The relationships you build with them felt a little shallow to me.  Like, there could be a character that hates it when you murder innocent people, but if you pick enough locks with that person around then your perfectly fine.  That hurt the role playing for me. 

 

I liked the game, it had greatly improved gameplay, and the building was neat.  But it was another game that felt like it wasn't sure what it wanted to be.  Is it a shooter?  Is it a role playing game?  Is it a resource gathering/building game?  It isn't a very good representation of any one of those things.  It's fun because it has a little of all three, but I would happily take a dialed back building system, or go back to how combat used to be if it meant that it was a good role playing game again.

[Wolven_Soul]

eh who can say why he was infatuated? Love and infatuation are often irrational and Yen is beautiful. Maybe it was when he realized that she was also a hunchback that a bit of understanding took it's course? (It's been a while since I read the book but didn't he realize right away? could be wrong.) Anyway Geralt is always reviled for being a freak so he would have to understand a bit what she felt like and maybe saw a kindred spirit. Also, while I didn't like yen in the beginning, what she did didn't warrant a death sentence either and she certainly proved herself over the course of the series. Even Regis, one of the kindest characters was a killer at one time and Geralt is just good guy who is willing to go out of his way to lift curses instead of kill, save instead of maim; He did die trying to save people after all.

 

Yen and Triss are both flawed but are both good people in different ways. Yen can be cold and mean but is fiercely loyal and would die for someone she cared about, Triss is sweet and kind but I sometimes feel like she gets in over her head and tends to buckle under fear and loyalty to the lodge. I love that they're flawed honestly, perfect characters can be boring....

 

sorry for the ramble.

 

Oh you don't ever have to be sorry for a ramble around here.  I don't hate Yen, I just don't understand Geralt's feelings for her.  Maybe I will get a better perspective when I read the next two books, but even then, I doubt it will change my mind about leaving her to her fate with that Djinn.  She's the one that decided to try and contain and use the thing for her own power after all, and got Geralt arrested. 

 

I don't think he realized that she used to be a hunchback until the fight with Djinn if I am remembering correctly, I might not be. 

 

Geralt is definitely the sort to give second chances though, and he would have probably saved Yen if only to keep her battle with the Djinn from killing any innocent bystanders.

[Blooddrunk1004]

I have to agree.  One of the great things about TES games is that your just some random dude/dudette getting out of jail or captivity or execution.  There is nothing more defined about you than that.  It might limit the story possibilities a little, but it makes for a really good experience as far as exploration goes. 

 

Might be one of the reasons FO:NV worked so well for so many people.  It was just about making the decision about what to do with Vegas and getting a little revenge along the way.  No urgency about finding a child or finding your father.  Though I thought the story about bringing pure water to the Capital Wasteland was pretty neat. 

 

I would say that the companions were a good deal better, but for me personally, they could still get a lot better at it.  The relationships you build with them felt a little shallow to me.  Like, there could be a character that hates it when you murder innocent people, but if you pick enough locks with that person around then your perfectly fine.  That hurt the role playing for me. 

 

I liked the game, it had greatly improved gameplay, and the building was neat.  But it was another game that felt like it wasn't sure what it wanted to be.  Is it a shooter?  Is it a role playing game?  Is it a resource gathering/building game?  It isn't a very good representation of any one of those things.  It's fun because it has a little of all three, but I would happily take a dialed back building system, or go back to how combat used to be if it meant that it was a good role playing game again.

 

I started Fallout franchise with a 3rd game and when i first played it, it blew my mind. When i started reading the issues that many people had who played the first two installments i decided to give them a try as well and after i beat them i noticed that Fallout is not suppost to be a game with "cool" locations, badass weapons and armors etc. but it's a game that relies heavily on it's lore, characters and plot.

 

This is the reason why i consider New Vegas to be the best of the series. They took stuff that made FO3 good, but also many elements from the first two games and the end result was just far more superior to anything that Bethesda tried to do in my opinion. What really bothers me about FO4 is that they copy/pasted FO3 and they removed almost every single roleplaying aspect that FO3 had and they barely took any feedback, i guess joining different factions was one of them but it was handled bad and it felt disconnected.

 

Do i consider FO 4 to be a bad game? Not at all, but if anyone asks me point him / her at the good RPG i would most likely never bring it up. Fallout 4 just falls into same category that ME3 and DA:I do for me, i enjoyed all of them but i consider the previous installments to be far more superior games.

[nfi42]

Haven't played any of the fallouts yet,  but own them all.  Is it worth starting at the beginning or  elsewhere?

[KBomb]

Haven't played any of the fallouts yet, but own them all. Is it worth starting at the beginning or elsewhere?

A friend recommended New Vegas to me, but it could be that it was his favorite. It's the one I am starting after FO4 is done.

[nfi42]

A friend recommended New Vegas to me, but it could be that it was his favorite. It's the one I am starting after FO4 is done.

 

I'll play them all eventually,  just wondering if there is a best game to get into the series.  A shooter gamer friend of mine suggests FO3,  but I want RPG lovers opinions. New Vegas does seem to be the most loved from what I've researched.  Poor Bethesda.

[KBomb]

I'll play them all eventually, just wondering if there is a best game to get into the series. A shooter gamer friend of mine suggests FO3, but I want RPG lovers opinions. New Vegas does seem to be the most loved from what I've researched. Poor Bethesda.

One of the mods for fallout 4 messed my game up, so I have been staying away from it. I am contemplating going back to the Witcher, or maybe Mass Effect. I am leaving the country come a week from now which is good because I am a bit burned out on games. Maybe a week and a half in Italy will reset me!

[nfi42]

One of the mods for fallout 4 messed my game up, so I have been staying away from it. I am contemplating going back to the Witcher, or maybe Mass Effect. I am leaving the country come a week from now which is good because I am a bit burned out on games. Maybe a week and a half in Italy will reset me!

 

I'm definitely not going to play FO4 until the all the dlc has been released and the unofficial bugs fix mods have worked their magic.  I guess the games have no story ties with each other,  so It doesn't really matter. I myself have at least another 3 and a bit  playthroughs of TW3 to finish.  I must explore all B&W options.

 

Holiday sounds great. 

[FKA_Servo]

I'll play them all eventually, just wondering if there is a best game to get into the series. A shooter gamer friend of mine suggests FO3, but I want RPG lovers opinions. New Vegas does seem to be the most loved from what I've researched. Poor Bethesda.

New Vegas is, like pretty much every Obsidian game, a flawed masterpiece. Super ambitious, really well written, and broken as all hell, though the last one is mitigated somewhat by mods. I've never gotten it running quite as stably as most Beth games but it's still eminently playable.

As to where to start, I'm pretty sure most old derps will say start at the beginning, but it depends on what you're in the mood for. The first two games (forget who made them - Interplay I think?) are super open ended isometric real time w/ pause RPGs. FO3/4/NV are Bethesda Games™. There's no real continuity to speak of, so you can start wherever. If it's me, I would say start with FO2 probably.

On the topic of Obsidian and their flawed masterpieces, anyone have thoughts on Alpha Protocol? Thinking of pulling the trigger before steam sale finishes. It's $3.74.

[nfi42]

New Vegas is, like pretty much every Obsidian game, a flawed masterpiece. Super ambitious, really well written, and broken as all hell, though the last one is mitigated somewhat by mods. I've never gotten it running quite as stably as most Beth games but it's still eminently playable.

As to where to start, I'm pretty sure most old derps will say start at the beginning, but it depends on what you're in the mood for. The first two games (forget who made them - Interplay I think?) are super open ended isometric real time w/ pause RPGs. FO3/4/NV are Bethesda Games™. There's no real continuity to speak of, so you can start wherever. If it's me, I would say start with FO2 probably.

On the topic of Obsidian and their flawed masterpieces, anyone have thoughts on Alpha Protocol? Thinking of pulling the trigger before steam sale finishes. It's $3.74.

 

Thanks, I think I'll start with FO3  when the time comes.  I like my old style games but I need to psych myself up for them.

 

Edit:  Haven't played Alpha Protocol, but at that price it almost doesn't matter what the quality is.

[Dreadstruck]

New Vegas is, like pretty much every Obsidian game, a flawed masterpiece. Super ambitious, really well written, and broken as all hell, though the last one is mitigated somewhat by mods. I've never gotten it running quite as stably as most Beth games but it's still eminently playable.

As to where to start, I'm pretty sure most old derps will say start at the beginning, but it depends on what you're in the mood for. The first two games (forget who made them - Interplay I think?) are super open ended isometric real time w/ pause RPGs. FO3/4/NV are Bethesda Games™. There's no real continuity to speak of, so you can start wherever. If it's me, I would say start with FO2 probably.

On the topic of Obsidian and their flawed masterpieces, anyone have thoughts on Alpha Protocol? Thinking of pulling the trigger before steam sale finishes. It's $3.74.

 

Actually, the first ones were made by Black Isle (Obsidian is somewhat of a successor to them, since many BI employees work there now) and the games are Turn based, not Realtime with pause.

 

As for Alpha Protocol - I liked it. It's a bit buggy as is usual with Obsidian games but offers a pretty unique approach to the spy/stealth/infiltration genre and an RPG to boot. And once you get the hang of the gameplay mechanics, it's really fun and rewarding. I mean, I personally didn't have a problem here, but I heard it took some time for other people to get used to it..

 

The dialogue system is IMHO a Fallout 4 dialogue wheel done right (and many years earlier as well lol). It's very well written, funny and pretty easy to follow, offering lot of role-playing. (I mean, in terms of the genre of the game) You can be have the attitude of James Bond, Jason Bourne or Jack Bauer and act like a professional or a total ass-hole. There's also various NPCs in the game with whom you can build a rapport (or romance in some cases) and they can either help you out or stab you in the back, depending on how you treated them.

 

Overall: An super unpolished, fun gem. Might take some time getting into, but it was very well worth it, at least for me.

 

Also, the ass-hole dialogue is the best IMHO. I'd say he sometimes even puts Renegade Shepard to shame..

 

[Gileadan]

What I recall about Alpha Protocol is the very rough and somewhat clunky combat against a very mediocre AI - despite a wide selection of weapons there was no problem that stealth and a silenced pistol couldn't solve - but it offers lots of roleplaying and reactivity. NPCs will remember what you did before and act accordingly. Your actions create a reputation with several factions and individuals, and also can give you a bunch of interesting perks on top, all of which serves to build a rather unique character based on your gameplay.

 

You also had the option to start as a "newbie" operative during character generation (meaning you didn't get any points to spend on skills!) which gave you additional dialogue options based on this background, or as a veteran (available only after completing the game at least once) where you started with a ton of skills and appropriate extra dialogue options too, so replayabilty really is a thing.

 

EDIT: timed dialogue is a thing, too

[TmTapani]

http://www.designntr...-game-books.htm

 

Any thoughts? Apparently CDPR, besides liking the fan art, is teasing on its official twitter account something quite interesting: a Telltale Witcher game. Reminds me of the time when they asked if people would want/play a separate Gwent game. And that has a beta starting in September.

 

[slimgrin]

They would never lease out the IP to another studio. I was surprised to see them show that on Twitter though.

[TmTapani]

They would never lease out the IP to another studio. I was surprised to see them show that on Twitter though.

Not leasing, more like co-operation. I'd personally recommend Tales from the Borderlands (from Telltale) to even people who do not like the actual Borderlands franchise. The potential is there but of course nothing is official. It is quite intriguing though that it is from an official channel.

 

In any case writing is the key here. Telltale games aren't exactly known for their gameplay.

[Hazegurl]

On the subject of Triss seducing Geralt in the books et al.  Someone created a nice topic covering that here:

 

https://www.reddit.c..._many_spoilers/

 

It makes me like Triss even more.

 

Warning: Book spoilers and very pro Triss.

 

And if CDPR ever allowed Telltale Games to make a Noir style detective Geralt game I would be all over it! So far the only Telltale Game I hated was Game of thrones and the Michonne game. The rest have been gold, especially Tales from the Borderlands. So if they did a Witcher game I would check it out.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Haven't played any of the fallouts yet,  but own them all.  Is it worth starting at the beginning or  elsewhere?

You don't have to start from the beggining, the games are also not connected via sequels and they all have nice little intro of introducing you to the lore.

Keep in mind first two games are very old especially graphics wise, they are top down RPGs with turn-based combat while FO3 and NV play out like any Bethesda game does.

 

I suggest starting with 3rd one, because NV improves on every single aspect when it comes to plot, protagonist, characters, writing and role-playing elements.

Of course there is a lot of people who dislike NV and prefer 3rd game mostly because of the setting and location.

[nfi42]

Not leasing, more like co-operation. I'd personally recommend Tales from the Borderlands (from Telltale) to even people who do not like the actual Borderlands franchise. The potential is there but of course nothing is official. It is quite intriguing though that it is from an official channel.

 

In any case writing is the key here. Telltale games aren't exactly known for their gameplay.

 

 

Played all Borderlands

 

Tales from the Borderlands is the only Telltale game I played and hated it with a passion.  What gameplay there was (hardly any) interrupted what would imo be a nice animated movie.

 

I will never play another Telltale game ever.

[KBomb]

Played all Borderlands

Tales from the Borderlands is the only Telltale game I played and hated it with a passion. What gameplay there was (hardly any) interrupted what would imo be a nice animated movie.

I will never play another Telltale game ever.

I have to say that the first Walking Dead Telltale made was fantastic. The ending to that game took a toll in my emotions the way no other game has. Honestly, it stuck with me for days. I never hardly cry at anything, but I remember a couple of days after playing it, I was stuck in traffic and I started thinking about it and started crying. The second series was good, but the first one was something special.