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[vbibbi]

Hey guys I found an article on the "inconsistent" and "sexist" clothing on the Witcher 3: http://www.themarysu...er-3-wild-hunt/

 

My thoughts on it are:

 

 

I've read articles on The Mary Sue before and they have generally come across as extremely biased and cherry picking facts to suit their argument. I'm not surprised at the article. It raises some points about some of the ridiculous clothes some women wear, but for the author to say that was the thing about the game that stuck out to her the most seems very disingenuous. Really? The actual characters, dozens of hours of story line, open world, graphics, none of that stuck out to her more than the clothing?

 

One of the commenters seems to share this reliance on cherry picking facts. They said that in TW3 Geralt could bang all of the hot women, and it was only the old and ugly who weren't romanceable. Someone responded listing a long list of female characters of varying story importance who were not romanceable but would be considered attractive. No response to that yet.

[Khayness]

Hey guys I found an article on the "inconsistent" and "sexist" clothing on the Witcher 3: http://www.themarysu...er-3-wild-hunt/

 

What. And the comments. They gave me brain damage.

 

Vidya gamez, srs bssns.

[SmilesJA]

I've read articles on The Mary Sue before and they have generally come across as extremely biased and cherry picking facts to suit their argument. I'm not surprised at the article. It raises some points about some of the ridiculous clothes some women wear, but for the author to say that was the thing about the game that stuck out to her the most seems very disingenuous. Really? The actual characters, dozens of hours of story line, open world, graphics, none of that stuck out to her more than the clothing?

 

One of the commenters seems to share this reliance on cherry picking facts. They said that in TW3 Geralt could bang all of the hot women, and it was only the old and ugly who weren't romanceable. Someone responded listing a long list of female characters of varying story importance who were not romanceable but would be considered attractive. No response to that yet.

 

There are lore explanations as to why the Sorceress wear revealing clothes as well.

[Dutchess]

Eh, the author has a point. I can understand some characters being fine with showing a fair bit of skin but there were still cases where it was just "because breasts" and it could get silly. Corinne Tilly shows more of her breasts than most of the prostitutes. Triss is in hiding in Novigrad among the poor and trying to avoid attracting attention but she wears a v-neck that goes about as low as possible. Something like her Witcher 2 outfit was better in that regard and would have been more appropriate for her situation. Ciri has to run through swamps and Skellige on heels and has to get into sword fights in a thin tunic (or with her midriff exposed in her alternative outfit). Ves' tunic was hanging even more open than in Witcher 2.

 

I just think it's unnecessary to resort to designs like this when they've put so much attention to detail to every little thing and the clothes and designs themselves look so very good. I'm not calling for turtle necks and flat shoes for every female character here. Again, for some it's fine and people simply like to look at attractive characters who sometimes show a little more. But it's clear they gave in to the tendency to make the women more alluring and revealing in how they dress more than once and it's fair to point that out as something that can be argued about.

[SmilesJA]

Eh, the author has a point. I can understand some characters being fine with showing a fair bit of skin but there were still cases where it was just "because breasts" and it could get silly. Corinne Tilly shows more of her breasts than most of the prostitutes. Triss is in hiding in Novigrad among the poor and trying to avoid attracting attention but she wears a v-neck that goes about as low as possible. Something like her Witcher 2 outfit was better in that regard and would have been more appropriate for her situation. Ciri has to run through swamps and Skellige on heels and has to get into sword fights in a thin tunic (or with her midriff exposed in her alternative outfit). Ves' tunic was hanging even more open than in Witcher 2.

 

I just think it's unnecessary to resort to designs like this when they've put so much attention to detail to every little thing and the clothes and designs themselves look so very good. I'm not calling for turtle necks and flat shoes for every female character here. Again, for some it's fine and people simply like to look at attractive characters who sometimes show a little more. But it's clear they gave in to the tendency to make the women more alluring and revealing in how they dress more than once and it's fair to point that out as something that can be argued abou

 

There is a variety of women's clothing in the Witcher and most of the people who show breasts are sorceresses. I don't think Ciri's heels look that ridiculous for me to roll my eyes (as impractical as they are.) I think the author of that article observations were shallow in that regard.

[slimgrin]

At the end of the day, you have to accept that the artists went with sexy more often than not. As if to drive the point home, Vess' Gwent outfit:

 

 

 

 

There's a valid criticism here, just not one to be made by hacks from the Mary Sue. 

[SmilesJA]

But is it a big criticism to the point that we have to strike up a conversation about?  I mean does the clothing really comes across as sexist? (Considering the question is coming from the Mary Sue. I'm going to lean towards no.)

[SmilesJA]

But on a lighter note, I haven't browsed through the thread so forgive me if this has been asked before. Which character from the Witcher 3 were your favorites?

[vbibbi]

There are lore explanations as to why the Sorceress wear revealing clothes as well.

 

Yeah and people were making that point in the comments. Some responses were that the source material was Wrong, then.   Good job moving the goal posts, and turning a discussion about a game into a complaint about the books they were based off of.

 

 

 

All of this being said, I do agree that Ves' uniform was stupid and needless.

[FKA_Servo]

But on a lighter note, I haven't browsed through the thread so forgive me if this has been asked before. Which character from the Witcher 3 were your favorites?

 

The redhead.

[Dutchess]

But is it a big criticism to the point that we have to strike up a conversation about?  I mean does the clothing really comes across as sexist? (Considering the question is coming from the Mary Sue. I'm going to lean towards no.)

 

Why wouldn't it be allowed to have a conversation about it? Maybe some players don't care about it. Maybe most don't. Doesn't mean it can't be talked about or criticized by the ones who do take issue with it. I wouldn't take anyone seriously who claims it ruined the game for them, but generally characters are a strength of the Witcher games and how a character looks and dresses is an aspect of them. For a soldier like Ves, who is engaging in guerrilla warfare, it makes no sense to be dressed the way she is unless she is completely suicidal. While her attack on the Nilfgaardians was reckless I didn't get the vibe that she wanted to die. She wished to protect the villagers who were about to be executed for aiding them earlier, and that took swift and bold action. That the game in the form of Roche points out how she is dressed doesn't help at all because it's a case of them wanting to have their cake and eat it too. It still makes no sense for her to jump to the villagers' defense when she's one sword to the breast removed from being seriously, if not lethally, injured. She is touted as one of Roche's best fighters, and yet this one female soldier needs to have her breasts on display.

 

Yeah and people were making that point in the comments. Some responses were that the source material was Wrong, then.   Good job moving the goal posts, and turning a discussion about a game into a complaint about the books they were based off of.

 

Out of curiosity, what is the "lore" reason for someone like Keira being in permanent danger of flashing her nipples? I know magic made sorceresses beautiful but why do many of them love to show their cleavage? Does it stem from a sort of need to overcompensate now that they look they way they want to?

[vbibbi]

Why wouldn't it be allowed to have a conversation about it? Maybe some players don't care about it. Maybe most don't. Doesn't mean it can't be talked about or criticized by the ones who do take issue with it. I wouldn't take anyone seriously who claims it ruined the game for them, but generally characters are a strength of the Witcher games and how a character looks and dresses is an aspect of them. For a soldier like Ves, who is engaging in guerrilla warfare, it makes no sense to be dressed the way she is unless she is completely suicidal. While her attack on the Nilfgaardians was reckless I didn't get the vibe that she wanted to die. She wished to protect the villagers who were about to be executed for aiding them earlier, and that took swift and bold action. That the game in the form of Roche points out how she is dressed doesn't help at all because it's a case of them wanting to have their cake and eat it too. It still makes no sense for her to jump to the villagers' defense when she's one sword to the breast removed from being seriously, if not lethally, injured. She is touted as one of Roche's best fighters, and yet this one female soldier needs to have her breasts on display.

 

 

Out of curiosity, what is the "lore" reason for someone like Keira being in permanent danger of flashing her nipples? I know magic made sorceresses beautiful but why do many of them love to show their cleavage? Does it stem from a sort of need to overcompensate now that they look they way they want to?

 

I agree that a conversation about it is fine. Looking through the comments section, though, most people don't want it to be a conversation but "proof that TW3 is sexist" or that people who like the game are sexist. A lot of commentators are accusing anyone of responding to the article's argument as "mansplaining" and "trying to speak on behalf of all women." Behavior like this really irks me if the discussion is trying to be civil and respectful. I think people who agree with the article could have made a stronger case by pointing out the silliness of some of the clothing like you have here instead of going on the offensive.

 

 

For the lore reasons, I won't be able to summarize the books well, but basically many/most sorceresses in TW universe were either orphans or rejected by their families as young girls because of physical defects. Yennifer used to be a hunchback. So as the women trained in magic they also learned to modify their appearances. Partly for personal vanity (not a negative thing) and partly to use as an asset. Most sorcerers and sorceresses in TW are politically active, so they use whatever assets they have to advance their politics. For the sorceresses, this includes using their appearance to influence men.

 

People have pointed out that it's sexist, but TW isn't making a case that this is positive (or negative) just that it's how the world works. So the games basing revealing clothing for sorceresses (not soldiers like Ves) can be seen to maintain this lore. In the specific case of Keira Metz, she is using her sexuality to manipulate Geralt, so it's actually very in character for her to wear revealing clothing. I haven't played the game for a while but I believe Geralt actually first meets her in TW3 when she's leaving a bath. She knows what she's doing by using her appearance as a tool.

[SmilesJA]

Why wouldn't it be allowed to have a conversation about it? Maybe some players don't care about it. Maybe most don't. Doesn't mean it can't be talked about or criticized by the ones who do take issue with it. I wouldn't take anyone seriously who claims it ruined the game for them, but generally characters are a strength of the Witcher games and how a character looks and dresses is an aspect of them. For a soldier like Ves, who is engaging in guerrilla warfare, it makes no sense to be dressed the way she is unless she is completely suicidal. While her attack on the Nilfgaardians was reckless I didn't get the vibe that she wanted to die. She wished to protect the villagers who were about to be executed for aiding them earlier, and that took swift and bold action. That the game in the form of Roche points out how she is dressed doesn't help at all because it's a case of them wanting to have their cake and eat it too. It still makes no sense for her to jump to the villagers' defense when she's one sword to the breast removed from being seriously, if not lethally, injured. She is touted as one of Roche's best fighters, and yet this one female soldier needs to have her breasts on display.

 

 

 

 

Well I do think if you have a problem with it, then you should criticize and start a conversation. It just that if the said "criticism" goes: IT'S SEXIST!!!!!!! Then I don't think it's a conversation worth engaging. Considering (from what I observed at least) people's definition of sexism varies among people, I usually expect bias from the OP.

 

That said, I agree with you that Ves' outfit looks bizarre especially when comparing her appearance to the Witcher 2. I'm just glad that Roche lambasted her for it.