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[Darkly Tranquil]

Yea, they really got that down right. I never really felt like the civil war or the mage-templar war was really going on in comparison.

This is how wars in DA feel:

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This is how wars in The Witcher feel:

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[rashie]

Neither Cyberpunk not Mass Effect: Next have advertised launch windows.

Wouldn't it be funny if they launched at about the same time? 

 

That said, I can handle 2 genre games on the trot - DAI then TW3 has been fine  .

If CDPR's track record is anything to go by it will likely be around 3 to 4 years or more before we see cyberpunk released. I think EA is aiming for a more rapid release than that with ME next.

[AresKeith]

If CDPR's track record is anything to go by it will likely be around 3 to 4 years or more before we see cyberpunk released. I think EA is aiming for a more rapid release than that with ME next.

 

It depends on how long ME next has been in development by now, I feel EA is finally starting to loosen their gripe rapid releases 

[wolfhowwl]

ME"4" has already been in development for some time now.

 

BioWare Montreal started work on it while BioWare Edmonton finished DA:I and worked on a new IP.

[Seraphim24]

Skyrim not only offers Asrid from the DB, but the game is filled with examples: Adrianna Avernici, Uthgerd the Unbroken, Janessa, Lydia, Irileth, Carlotta Valentia, a couple of the ladies from both the Battle-Borns and the Gray-Manes, and that is from Whiterun. And unless one skipped it, one can start the game spending the night in Gerdur's home; the leading female in the village of Riverwood.

But my personal fave is Rikke, as she is a fine example of leadership:

http://elderscrolls....ki/Legate_Rikke

Then in DA: Flemeth; Done, or could be. But I prefer the the Human Noble's mother in DAO, Aveline in DA2 (also the best romance in the game; arguably the series, IMO), and Divine Justinia in DAI as more mortal examples.

 

I mentioned Dark Brotherhood (Astrid, but also like Human Noble mother was cool then she dies, Flemeth is always on the side, I didn't even encounter Rikke because I sided with the Stormcloaks, I also don't know how you can mention Lydia and Jenassa when they are literally your female-slave companion, Irileth was ok though I suppose.

 

It's just not in the aggregate quite the same experience.

 

Not neccesarily. For example I can say I hate the Witcher franchise, but it's not for the kind of reasons you stated. 

 

What are the reasons you hate the Witcher franchise then anyway?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Well unless you are Qunari. Plus as someone else mentioned there are plenty of female warriors in TW3. Also, er the Lodge (all females) like rules half the known Witcher-verse so...

 

Yeah like the women was naked but Geralt still had his pants on? Oh ok, well, that just summarized the entirety of all of sexism and misogyny and everything in the universe now makes sense now. That's pretty much what all those reviews amounted to as far as their criticism goes, it's like so and so's shirt was unbuttoned.....

 

...........yeah.....and? Like, what about I don't know the characters/stories/plots/quests/rewards/themes/ending/choices/mythology/setting/context/coloring/point/direction?

 

I mean do 98% of the people in this thread know who Francesa Findebair is? Or Síle de Tansarville? Or what about Grace from DA2? (A pretty solid female character).

 

Nope it's just well Geralt had his pants on, but pants off then MISOGYNYyyyyyyyy.......

 

Its actually really fascinating that the plot of Witcher 2 was largely started by a group of powerful women, when they ordered the assassination of King Demavend...

 

Then there is the fact that the most powerful being in the Witcher world is a woman (Ciri)...

 

There is also the fact that women in the Witcher world can work in any occupation with not a lot of stigma, including prostitution, unlike the real world...

 

In Witcher 3 you have Yennefer who is essentially Morrigan dialed up to 11...

 

You have the Crones who are all extremely powerful evil women (shudders at the thought of the Crones)...

 

You can have the chance of making a woman be the leader of a region...

 

You also have a returning female companion doing really important work...

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(Triss Merigold saving all the mages in Novigrad from witch hunts)

 

You also have another sorceress who can end up doing really good work...

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(Keira Metz will become a famous medical and disease researcher if you made the right choices)

 

But Geralt has his pants on for a sex scene so that is misogynistic ! The horror ! We need some Radovid style social justice witch hunts ! 

 

I actually think CDPR would have done a pants-less Geralt but I recall the last mainstream movie to show the male reproductive organ in all its glory, The Watchmen, and what happened was many people ended up focusing too much and looking too much into Dr Manhattan's blue penis instead of the plot or the story. Even Gone Girl had a shot of Ben Affleck's member at the end of the movie (sort of) and people make a big deal about it for no reason. 

[Elhanan]

Wow. I feel humbled to have met someone as refined and intelligent as you, I'm sorry that we weren't ready to recieve your wisdom.
 
In any case, essentially what you are saying is "stop liking stuff that I don't like", you are just being overly flowery about it.
 
I also noticed that you ignored my point about the difference between Bioware and CDPR.

As I have not played CDPR games, I hesitate to compare them; thus no conclusions. And you are welcome....

[Seraphim24]

Its actually really fascinating that the plot of Witcher 2 was largely started by a group of powerful women, when they ordered the assassination of King Demavend...

 

Then there is the fact that the most powerful being in the Witcher world is a woman (Ciri)...

 

There is also the fact that women in the Witcher world can work in any occupation with not a lot of stigma, including prostitution, unlike the real world...

 

In Witcher 3 you have Yennefer who is essentially Morrigan dialed up to 11...

 

You have the Crones who are all extremely powerful evil women (shudders at the thought of the Crones)...

 

You can have the chance of making a woman be the leader of a region...

 

You also have a returning female companion doing really important work...

Spoiler

(Triss Merigold saving all the mages in Novigrad from witch hunts)

 

You also have another sorceress who can end up doing really good work...

Spoiler

(Keira Metz will become a famous medical and disease researcher if you made the right choices)

 

But Geralt has his pants on for a sex scene so that is misogynistic ! The horror ! We need some Radovid style social justice witch hunts ! 

 

I actually think CDPR would have done a pants-less Geralt but I recall the last mainstream movie to show the male reproductive organ in all its glory, The Watchmen, and what happened was many people ended up focusing too much and looking too much into Dr Manhattan's blue penis instead of the plot or the story. Even Gone Girl had a shot of Ben Affleck's member at the end of the movie (sort of) and people make a big deal about it for no reason. 

 

That's not what generates clicks, comments, and subscribers though.

 

I mean even here, if I just start dropping bombs aimlessly and saying random provocative things like Geralt is a man's man and women who don't acknowledge him are jealous and sexually frustrated, or men who are envious or something boom we have like 300 pages of comments.

 

I think we're slowly reaching the point where dry and extensive, almost academic approaches to fiction and complex issues like sexuality will become popular and accepted but I fear that day is not today.

[Saphiron123]

This is how wars in DA feel:

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This is how wars in The Witcher feel:

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You, you nailed it. What really blew my mind was the witcher 2 prologue with all the army tents and everything, where DAI never even shows you your army for most of the game and only tells you about the big final battle with corypheus' forces, there are more humans in that camp then in all of DAI.

It's not your army, but at least you get to see the army, as opposed to hearing about it.

Apparently the inquisitor has thousands of men, yet the most i ever saw was the twenty or so sparring in haven. WHERE DO THEY SLEEP?

[Saphiron123]

I started reading the Witcher books, and I had to stop, because they frustrated me so. Not because of the books' content, but because of the games.

You see, I think The Witcher books create an excellent setting for a game, and I would love to play that game, but unfortunately the game I tried (the first one) was awful. The combat was unplayable dreck, so I couldn't make it through.

I wish The Witcher games were better. But they're not. The combat is awful. I have no idea how much roleplaying freedom the games offer, because I never got that far.

Play 2, one is almost standalone. I also passed on the series for a long time due to the combat in 1. it's more complex then DAI, but once you get it down it's easy. Less difficult then dark souls.

You should give it a whirl, it changed my mind.

From the opening onward, I was pretty much enthralled.

[Elhanan]

That is not what show don't tell means. 
 
For instance we hear about how the elves are oppressed but we rarely see. We do not even get to see the Val Royeaux Alianage, which is described to be far larger then Denerim's Alianage, it has about 10k elves living there, and far worse, being the most dilapidated in all of thedas. We should have went there and seen it. Particularly if you are playing an elven character, you should have some things relating to this even if you are a dalish.  You should have seen the chevilers hazing ritual of going to kill a city elf after dark, and perhaps doing something to stop it. You should have seen the after math of celine's burning down the alianage and doing things to help people. 
 
The problem with dragon age is that it "said the elves are oppressed" but never showed us that. You never had any guard confuse you for an escaped elf from the alianage....

We see various Elves in the palace during the ball. We see Elves in Haven and Skyhold, as well as hear of the bigotry against them. We see their abuser during Sera's quest, though this involves more than just Elves. We meet the Dalish, and can see their difficulty. Etc.

DA2 had Kirkwall; no cities this time.

[Saphiron123]

We see various Elves in the palace during the ball. We see Elves in Haven and Skyhold, as well as hear of the bigotry against them. We see their abuser during Sera's quest, though this involves more than just Elves. We meet the Dalish, and can see their difficulty. Etc.

DA2 had Kirkwall; no cities this time.

No cities is just the dumbest thing in the world. How can you have an RPG without people or civilization? 

Those big empty wilderness areas were all but devoid of human interaction or drama. Especially in a series that continues past games, I want to see places I've been before and see how they've changed... nope, just a whole lot of forest that barely ties into the story at all.

[Elhanan]

I mentioned Dark Brotherhood (Astrid, but also like Human Noble mother was cool then she dies, Flemeth is always on the side, I didn't even encounter Rikke because I sided with the Stormcloaks, I also don't know how you can mention Lydia and Jenassa when they are literally your female-slave companion, Irileth was ok though I suppose.
 
It's just not in the aggregate quite the same experience....

Serving others does not make one inferior. And as mentioned, those Skyrim examples were pulled from a single city, Riverwood, and the second of command in the Imperial command; others are available.

[Elhanan]

No cities is just the dumbest thing in the world. How can you have an RPG without people or civilization? 

Those big empty wilderness areas were all but devoid of human interaction or drama. Especially in a series that continues past games, I want to see places I've been before and see how they've changed... nope, just a whole lot of forest that barely ties into the story at all.

Personally prefer it this way, but my dislike of crowds colors my opinion. I loathed the ball in Orlais due to this, and actually was relieved when the Inq was offered the chance to get away for a while.

And while one may not be able to click on everyone in game, there are many conversations to be overheard if one takes the time to listen.

[Seraphim24]

Serving others does not make one inferior. And as mentioned, those Skyrim examples were pulled from a single city, Riverwood, and the second of command in the Imperial command; others are available.

 

Sorry, but I personally just am not interested in the prospect of literally never having an opinion on anything and being a personality-less robot 100% slave to someone else.

[Akrabra]

snippy

I just want to see some male genetalia Is that so wrong?. Joking aside, i still feel like nudity is so natural and in a mature game like The Witcher and others it shouldn't be a problem showing both sexes nude. Actually DA:I has more male nudity if you choose to romance Dorian and it feels very natural. No genetalia though

[AresKeith]

I just want to see some male genetalia Is that so wrong?. Joking aside, i still feel like nudity is so natural and in a mature game like The Witcher and others it shouldn't be a problem showing both sexes nude. Actually DA:I has more male nudity if you choose to romance Dorian and it feels very natural. No genetalia though

 

Nope, it's all about the...

 

 

[Elhanan]

Sorry, but I personally just am not interested in the prospect of literally never having an opinion on anything and being a personality-less robot 100% slave to someone else.

Dunno, but thankfully some like Gandhi, Mother Theresa, and the Major that was willing to give a ride to a new recruit do not view service as slavery.

But then, that is where a lot of complaints come from about the Inquisitor and side-quests. Personally have no problems serving when the personality or motive warrants it. Some others appear to believe it is beneath their status as Inquisitor. I disagree.

[Akrabra]

Nope, it's all about the...

 

 

That might be the best Angry Joe moment i have ever seen. 

[Laughing_Man]

As I have not played CDPR games, I hesitate to compare them; thus no conclusions.

 

So, everything you wrote and all your assertions regarding TW3 were based on what exactly?

 

You do understand that in order to actually critic something there are some basic requirements, like actually being familiar with more than simply a second hand account of the topic, right? And no, seeing mere snippets on youtube without enough context doesn't count.

 

Ugh. Why do I even bother.

[Elhanan]

So, everything you wrote and all your assertions regarding TW3 were based on what exactly?
 
You do understand that in order to actually critic something there are some basic requirements, like actually being familiar with more than simply a second hand account of the topic, right? And no, seeing mere snippets on youtube without enough context doesn't count.
 
Ugh. Why do I even bother.

That would be the difference between being a consumer, and an informed consumer; prefer the latter. And recommend the Ignore function; helps avoid frustrations.

[Seraphim24]

Dunno, but thankfully some like Gandhi, Mother Theresa, and the Major that was willing to give a ride to a new recruit do not view service as slavery.

But then, that is where a lot of complaints come from about the Inquisitor and side-quests. Personally have no problems serving when the personality or motive warrants it. Some others appear to believe it is beneath their status as Inquisitor. I disagree.

 

You have your heroes, I have mine. I think Mother Theresa could of used some backbone personally.

[VaLe]

I've put about 50 hours into the Witcher 3, and I can say that if I was a Bioware or EA employee, I would be embaressed. When you compare the overall quality of both games, DA:I is college level production. Crude, unpolished and silly.

[Elhanan]

I've put about 50 hours into the Witcher 3, and I can say that if I was a Bioware or EA employee, I would be embaressed. When you compare the overall quality of both games, DA:I is college level production. Crude, unpolished and silly.

Perhaps the college production would not have hardcoded so many keys. Programming 101, or so I have heard....

[Akrabra]

I've put about 50 hours into the Witcher 3, and I can say that if I was a Bioware or EA employee, I would be embaressed. When you compare the overall quality of both games, DA:I is college level production. Crude, unpolished and silly.

Wow that is harsh and not accurate from my standpoint. Is The Witcher 3 superior to DA:I on certain points? Yes absolutely. Is it a better game, subjective. But to me they are quite even. They both have their strenghts they play on them well and i enjoyed both games more or less equally. But then again everyone is entitled to their opinion.