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[Aren]

Ahh yes. But they can still kill all the darkspawn I guess. But it will never truly end the blight then. But Loghain clearly doesn't believe in the fact that The Wardens are the only ones that can stop a blight. I think he even implies it heavily early in the game. So he makes a mistake there, but it seems to more of a lack of information thing going on.

 

 Without the GW treaties he wouldn't go that far, so in exile have a point, loghain could have won the civil war just to remain without an army,probably he would evacuated Ferelden without even try to fight the AD,afterall he can't even see him in his dream,he is even sceptical on the AD existence.

this is just one of the many GW stupid mistakes,to maintain the absolute discretion for no reason whatsoever.

[Rawgrim]

He hired Howe to be his right hand man. It proves that he is incompetent and a terrible judge of character.

 

I think he brought him in for his position and power, not his brains.

[chrstnmonks]

The difference that I can tell is that nudity in DAI and most Bioware titles is restricted to the optional Romance arcs, as a rule. So if one explores a Romance with Cassandra, the Player should expect to see nudity; info gathered before launch from frequent threads.

In TW3, nudity can be seen in many locations, as well as sexual content that is outside of Player control. It is also used in the promos. as well as profanity to sell the game.

The misogynistic opinion has been gathered for a long time over the course of the series (also mentioned in ref to GoT material). However, this was brought into question by a couple of professional articles at release; one that brought criticism of the piece by CDPR:

http://www.polygon.c...PC-PS4-Xbox-one

http://www.gamezone....-review-3416520

All that said, it is the frequent use of profanity that bothers me most. In Bioware games, I can bench followers that use it (eg, James Vega, Jack, Zaeed Massani , Iron Bull, Blackwall), and rarely hear it from others in the games. In the TW series, it is frequently heard from many in the game, and also used in one of the promos to sell the latest title.

Now I am a big boy; have served in the military, worked in several places that others may have had lesser discretion, etc, but largely this is considered unprofessional. If one were to use it in the military to a superior, or possibly over the radio or other public forum, discipline might be introduced. In business, it could cost a suspension or a job depending on context. It is even restricted on many public forums, BSN included.

To me, it is inferior language, unprofessional, and is less than the perfection many seek from one another. And I certainly do not wish to pay for it to assault me. And when I hear it used in vids, promos, and even written on the cards used in a mini-game, choose to pass on said content, no matter if the remaining game looks beautiful. It would be like admiring the graphically appealing steeds developed for the game, but still smelling the manure in the stalls.

You have no prolbem with KILLING people in these games in very brutal ways, but if they cuss or show some skin that is off-putting to you? No offense i find that a odd way to think. 

[herkles]

You have no prolbem with KILLING people in these games in very brutal ways, but if they cuss or show some skin that is off-putting to you? No offense i find that a odd way to think. 

“I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.” ~ GRRM

[chrstnmonks]

“I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.” ~ GRRM

I agree. It is madness

[Elhanan]

You have no prolbem with KILLING people in these games in very brutal ways, but if they cuss or show some skin that is off-putting to you? No offense i find that a odd way to think.

Not really, as there are already filters for reducing gore, but there are no such toggles for removing profane speech. So unless one is using a censored copy of the game, vulgarity will be served with the lovely vistas.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I personally love games that offer non-lethal ways to deal with enemies or at least have situations where you don't have to kill.

Creates more roleplaying opportunities. 

[herkles]

Not really, as there are already filters for reducing gore, but there are no such toggles for removing profane speech. So unless one is using a censored copy of the game, vulgarity will be served with the lovely vistas.

 

well it could be like You [BEEP SOUND] person. I hate your [beep sound] guts. 

 

Now some swear words are different from our world, ie in Dragon age, various swears by Andraste are common instead of things like God damnit. or how instead of **** in the witcher, they use ploughing. 

 

 

I personally love games that offer non-lethal ways to deal with enemies or at least have situations where you don't have to kill.

Creates more roleplaying opportunities. 

agreed. Some of the cooler quests in the witcher 3 had opitions like that where you solved things by not killing monsters but helping to bring things peaceful and end curses and the like. Sometimes it could backfire, other times it was so much better then killing things. Ie the botchling from the Baron's quest. 

[chrstnmonks]

Not really, as there are already filters for reducing gore, but there are no such toggles for removing profane speech. So unless one is using a censored copy of the game, vulgarity will be served with the lovely vistas.

It is not a matter of gore. You are still killing those people no matter if gore switch is on or off. I have no prolbem with any of this stuff. But I have seen this argument in many other places that violence=fine nudity+profanity=unforgiveable. I just don't get it. It seems like the fact that you can set someone on fire or cleave them in half would be alot worse than a word or private parts being shown.I just find the that particular mindset baffling.

[Mirrman70]

some of my favorite games are ones where I can just wade the a river of my enemies blood, treating them like insects underneath the foot of a god of death and destruction. It lets me vent. combine that and good story telling and you have some of my favorite games.

[chrstnmonks]

some of my favorite games are ones where I can just wade the a river of my enemies blood, treating them like insects underneath the foot of a god of death and destruction. It lets me vent. combine that and good story telling and you have some of my favorite games.

I like this too but I also like other ways to resolve quest. I hope all rpgs going forward keep in mind that there can be more than 1 way to resolve a quest. So far Witcher 3 is doing this. I hope the next DA game does this as well.

[TheOgre]

Its actually really fascinating that the plot of Witcher 2 was largely started by a group of powerful women, when they ordered the assassination of King Demavend...

 

Then there is the fact that the most powerful being in the Witcher world is a woman (Ciri)...

 

There is also the fact that women in the Witcher world can work in any occupation with not a lot of stigma, including prostitution, unlike the real world...

 

In Witcher 3 you have Yennefer who is essentially Morrigan dialed up to 11...

 

You have the Crones who are all extremely powerful evil women (shudders at the thought of the Crones)...

 

You can have the chance of making a woman be the leader of a region...

 

You also have a returning female companion doing really important work...

Spoiler

(Triss Merigold saving all the mages in Novigrad from witch hunts)

 

You also have another sorceress who can end up doing really good work...

Spoiler

(Keira Metz will become a famous medical and disease researcher if you made the right choices)

 

But Geralt has his pants on for a sex scene so that is misogynistic ! The horror ! We need some Radovid style social justice witch hunts ! 

 

I actually think CDPR would have done a pants-less Geralt but I recall the last mainstream movie to show the male reproductive organ in all its glory, The Watchmen, and what happened was many people ended up focusing too much and looking too much into Dr Manhattan's blue penis instead of the plot or the story. Even Gone Girl had a shot of Ben Affleck's member at the end of the movie (sort of) and people make a big deal about it for no reason. 

 

Morrigan forever, damnit, Yennifer is a close second.

[Steelcan]

 

The Witcher offers no alternative to the action combat.

then I've been doing it all wrong with my bombs and signs

[AresKeith]

then I've been doing it all wrong with my bombs and signs

 

Not enough meditating

[Steelcan]

Not enough meditating

dat grapeshot tho

[In Exile]

Loghain doesn't seem insane when you talk to him after recruiting hm, though. He seems very collected and kind of easy going.

 

That's because he's not meant to be insane; which is what I think makes the only explanation for him that he's an idiot. (Well, and psychic, since that's the only way he can know what your identity and that you survived Ostagar; otherwise we're back to crazy). 

[Steelcan]

I like that TW3 has a system for crafting where you can upgrade existing armor to be useful later in the game rather than having to continuously get new pieces

 

 

that said, they are about as photogenic as DA:I's

[VelvetV]

There were absolutely small villages like that in medieval Europe. Sometimes villages only consisted of a few families and a chapel and sometimes a tavern, but not always. They were pretty far apart because they had to be. It was a lot of work to clear land and ready it for crops and homesteads. So, usually they chose something that was already suitable and only a few days journey from a market town or a larger village. Most of the time small villages were made up of farmers and the land was owned by a liege. Most peasants preferred small villages, as they were less likely to suffer from plagues and sickness. 

 

Ok, thank you, I stand corrected. I've never seen such villages in my country, and I am shocked to find out that a few houses could be called a village in the past, but it's good to know. I've only seen quite large villages, and houses standing aside would typically be still a part of the village, even though they're aside.

 

Even the small villages in TW3 had activity and life to them. Even some of the burned down homesteads had family around them, crying over their burned homes or dead loved one. It's tiny details like those that gives you a sense of the world. I would much rather have tiny villages spread throughout the world and have it lively, than to have a few large villages with too few residence who really don't go about "living life". 

 

 

Agreed. I just want to add to this that I don't want things like that to become very important, even if I agree that they're good for the game. Why? Because I was blown away in the beginning of my playthrough by these details, but then I stopped noticing them. I was blown away by weather, for example, by seeing a storm for the first time, but once I've seen one, I didn't pay much attention to other storms.

 

Btw, the cutscenes in the game I found atrocious. Those crude plastic models, those plastic artificial expressions of theirs. People are like lifeless dolls. I can't tell whether it's really a cutscene failure or something else, but I think it plays a major role in why I cannot emphathize with people in this game and don't care for them. They feel too artificial in cutscenes, like puppets. I'd like to know why, maybe it's something subtle. Then again, maybe I perceive them as puppets because I don't like them in the first place?

 

It's just... strange. I remember that I had this very problem in another game before, people seemed like lifeless dolls reading a script in cutscenes. And that game was TW1. *shrug* Maybe this company has some cutscene style that throws me off. Although I do not remember such a problem in TW2.

[Hazegurl]

I think this is the best looking armor TW3. Especially the final version.

 

Bear school

 

Spoiler

 

The Temarian armor looks pretty good too.  The rest look horrible though.

[Steelcan]

I prefer the Griffin school sign bonuses

[Elhanan]

It is not a matter of gore. You are still killing those people no matter if gore switch is on or off. I have no prolbem with any of this stuff. But I have seen this argument in many other places that violence=fine nudity+profanity=unforgiveable. I just don't get it. It seems like the fact that you can set someone on fire or cleave them in half would be alot worse than a word or private parts being shown.I just find the that particular mindset baffling.

So one that chooses to watch pixelated violence (with lesser gore settings), but avoids swearing, pixelated nudity and sex is somehow hypocritical? I find the notion that some have no problems with this 'stuff' more problematic.

[Hazegurl]

I wouldn't say it makes you hypocritical, but it does make you rather odd.  Beating someone black and blue or killing them is far worse than cursing at them.  And well sex, is just great.

 

Yet hurting someone in the most extreme way possible is okay with you but profanity and sex is an issue?? 

 

I prefer the Griffin school sign bonuses

 

Yeah, I use signs more than my sword in any combat situation and I love using signs to avoid fights altogether.  But I'm currently working on getting that bear armor cause Geralt just looks so good in it.  Fashion over practicality.

[Steelcan]

Quen is my waifu

[VelvetV]

http://www.gamezone....-review-3416520
 

 

Interesting. I saw the review, but didn't know that they "responded" to it.

 

And I must say I cannot fully agree with response. There are some things that are valid, in fact most of his response is valid, but not all. I feel like he's making a false excuse.

 

I think the issue for me lies with how the game was marketed and what people admire about it. Cussing is great, that's what I got from it, it's so adult so go rush and buy the game. Nudity is great and adult, you should buy the game. I know that people praise the game for these. But both things are highly juvenile motivations for buying anything, a game or whatever. Don't you hear cussing in real life or see a lot of nudity? Hmmm.

 

He talks about historical accuracy. Excuse me, I don't think that everybody cussed or behaved like a bunch of degenerated idiots in medieval times. Some did, but not all. Not everyone spat on the floor all the time or freed their nose anywhere, either. So I view cussing and such behavior as something to appeal to people and make them buy the game. It's overdone. Now let's pay attention at the revealing outfits that some women wear. Even Ciri's outfit has a provocative touch to it. Excuse me, but if the world in TW3 is so historically accurately mysoginistic as he says and rape is normal occurence as the game implies, then I fail to see how Ciri would ever be respected rather than called names and attempted to be raped at every corner. In our world it's nothing, but in such a world you can't afford to dress like that or be provocative. And I didn't even mention sorceresses and how they reveal whatever they want to reveal in front of anyone. It's a far cry from realism, instead it's a plea to be called names, lose reputation, be thrown in dungeons or be raped on the spot. So for me it's obvious it isn't done for realism purposes in TW3. It's done for other purposes.

 

So when he goes on to say that it's a realistic world as a response to Polygon, I can only roll my eyes. On one hand his argument is valid, but on another the game throws realism out of the window when it needs to attact its audiences. When realism is used selectively, it loses its power as an argument. He wants praise for creating a realistically accurate world? No way, as their approach to realism is selective. And when one is being selective, then claims of others who disliked some aspect of the game cannot be objected to by saying that the reason for it was realism. After all, you distorted realism to suit some players' preferences, why is it wrong to distort other aspect of it to suit those of others? I think it would be a lot more honest to say: we as devs wanted to make such a world, instead of trying to use an excuse.

 

But it's quite revealing that there was a need for an excuse, in the first place. I guess devs do care to sound reasonable in their approach and want to hide that it's preferential. Hmmm. Would it be a faux pas to admit it being preferential to American audiences? Perhaps so. I know that if it was said in my country, people would only clap. *shrug* I wonder what he'd say if he had to talk to this kind of audience, but we'll never know.

 

P.S. I've been proven wrong about villages before, can someone prove me wrong by providing any proof that women in times that were oppressive could dress like that and still be respected? Or that everyone except nobility cussed and freed their noses anywhere?

 

I kind of live in not so liberal country, and there are even less liberal countries nearby, so I'm very familiar with what a society oppressive to women is. It's alright here, but in one place nearby women don't even get talked to on matters most of the time, men talk to men and if she speaks, they might ignore it completely like she said nothing. And I can tell you that a woman can hardly dress provocatively without losing her rep and becoming despised in that place. Although now times are better, opinions get changed by seeing different life styles on TV, so it would be exaggeration to say that it's like that in all families and all the time. But a few centuries ago, with no diversity, in a world like TW3...

[Sylvius the Mad]

Ok, thank you, I stand corrected. I've never seen such villages in my country, and I am shocked to find out that a few houses could be called a village in the past, but it's good to know. I've only seen quite large villages, and houses standing aside would typically be still a part of the village, even though they're aside.

You can find villages like that in rural Canada even today.  I wouldn't be surprised if some of BioWare's staff are from those tiny towns.