omfg, sexy time on a unicorn.. that's so ludicrous, i don't even... maker, better that scene be optional, probably do it in one of PTs tho. i like being mindmelted. i named my templar pala in WoW Cullen because i'm a huge Twilight fan, right?
sorry, what was the question again?
And no. Dragon Age be Dragon Age, Witcher be Witcher.
Let's not have all games be clones of each other as that would be boring.
Let's just assume for a second that you're right. That this is a bait thread (I agree that the title is certainly very clickbait- y.) That's only a possibility because people on the BSN completely lose their **** at the mere mention of the Witcher games. Just look at people calling TW fans clowns or implying the games are nothing more than ****** material for 14 year old boys.
I find it hilarious that people complain about a thread being click bait while clicking on it. It's like a rabbit being angry at the hunter because it got caught in a trap. If they think something is click bait, then don't click it. Don't touch the carrot rabbits!
I also see a lot of defensiveness going on here with some DA fans putting down the Witcher, even claiming that strong females characters don't exist when they most certainly do. Then they argue about the sex making the game immature while telling Witchers fans that they can't argue about how the sex makes it mature. smh
Geralt is far more interesting than our dull ass Inquisitor. Don't get me wrong, I love playing as the character I CREATE, but BW created too many races to pick and we didn't get any backstory. Nothing at all. Nothing.
I agree 150% Geralt is much more exciting, he has/had a life, a story, motivations et al that as a player you can shape somewhat but at his core he's his own person so you feel like you're getting to know him as he's getting to know himself. People can complain about established PCs in a rpg all they want but it works for a story driven game rather than head canoning everything. Shaping a PC completely in an rpg works well for something like Pillars of Eternity but with limited resources and fully voiced dialogue, I find that giving us an established character and dialogue to shape them gradually is the best way to go. Hawke is my favorite DA PC because of this.
DA shouldn't be more like The Witcher. We've all seen their efforts to copy other games and I have no desire to play a knock off Witcher anymore than I want to play a Knock off Skyrim. I personally no longer give two craps what BW do with their future games. I'm no longer interested in their lore overall. At this point, I just like their diversity.
Yes, those threesomes with Isabela and Zevran were so committed and pure. Like the encounter with the nugs at the Pearl. And Iron Bull's love for that Chantry sister he was thanking so thoroughly in Haven.
I don't think there's anything wrong with depicting casual sex. Both series do so. (I don't think the sex cards were a very good idea, but to their credit CD Projeckt Red didn't put them in the sequels.)
I'm 100% certain that most people here don't have a problem with this. Snakecode seems to put a whole lot of stock in the notion that the witcher is just too damn real for our frail, "neo-puritan" (lol) PC sensibilities. That's dumb. Nobody cares about it, though I do find the idea that for some of the game's more strident proponents, "mature, adult narrative"="breasts and decapitation kill cams" to be very funny.
The fact is the first game is the epitome of a game studio's "first game." It's ugly and difficult to play.They made baby steps towards improving their godawful gameplay mechanics in the second game, but they're still not a ton of fun, particularly if you'd rather play the party RPGs that Bioware generally makes rather than action games. Ignoring the fact that a lot of folks would rather make their own character in an RPG, Geralt is like Captain America meets Wolverine meets James Bond meets Van Helsing. It's a "cool" character concept... but it's like it was thrown together by a 7th grader. I don't know much about the greater storyline and background lore, because it's so far buried beneath the tedious game that I personally haven't had the time or inclination to chip away at, because I don't like games that feel like a job. Maybe the payoff there is awesome. I'll likely get there eventually. Dragon Age's lore and world building is tough to beat though, in my book.
At the end of the day though... this is a Bioware forum, full of posters who want to talk about Bioware games, for the most part. If someone makes an antagonistic post solely to **** on stuff that people actually like here - and the OP fits the bill, there - I'm not sure what else he expects to happen.
Maybe we should put Witcher threads in the off-topic forum.
Yes, because Bioware trying to be like "Skyrim" worked-out so well, didn't it? 
Personally, I'd be elated if BW STOPPED trying to be like other developers, and got back to being like Bioware.
Quests and decisions that have consequences, a proper open world, much less pointless harvesting and looting, and much better gameplay. Also CD Projekt Red is giving out Free DLC specifically to divert from the greedy norm. Putting this game to shame.
Yes, TW3 does put DAI to shame. and CDPR puts Bioware to shame.
Bioware will NEVER hold a candle to CDPR. They dance to the EA tune.
(Unlike others here, I understand what you are getting at - NOT to imply Dragon Age should actually become The Witcher, but that Dragon Age should become an actual RPG with depth)
Maybe we should put Witcher threads in the off-topic forum.
There already is one: http://forum.bioware...cussion-take-2/
This is a feedback thread though, so whatever.
Yes, TW3 does put DAI to shame. and CDPR puts Bioware to shame.
Bioware will NEVER hold a candle to CDPR. They dance to the EA tune.
(Unlike others here, I understand what you are getting at - NOT to imply Dragon Age should actually become The Witcher, but that Dragon Age should become an actual RPG with depth)
CDPR is a great developer, but I hope they focus on Cyberpunk next and not another witcher game.
Snakecode seems to put a whole lot of stock in the notion that the witcher is just too damn real for our frail, "neo-puritan" (lol) PC sensibilities. That's dumb.
You must have missed the last paragraph of my post.
Bioware did advertise and marketed a lot of things and then fell through with them. I agree. TW3 could very well be the same. I don't think it will, but it could. Regardless, I can read a review that discusses the vast consequences of quests and read about dynamic beards and lively and dynamic villages and think those are excellent ideas and suggest that Bioware keeps those ideas and suggestions in mind for further games.
If TW3 lacks those things, I will definitely complain about it-- but I will still think Bioware should consider those ideas. That opinion hurts no one and if it bothers someone's sensibilities they certainly have the option of skipping the discussion or not replying to them.
I'm 100% certain that most people here don't have a problem with this. Snakecode seems to put a whole lot of stock in the notion that the witcher is just too damn real for our frail, "neo-puritan" (lol) PC sensibilities. That's dumb. Nobody cares about it, though I do find the idea that for some of the game's more strident proponents, "mature, adult narrative"="breasts and decapitation kill cams" to be very funny.
The fact is the first game is the epitome of a game studio's "first game." It's ugly and difficult to play.They made baby steps towards improving their godawful gameplay mechanics in the second game, but they're still not a ton of fun, particularly if you'd rather play the party RPGs that Bioware generally makes rather than action games. Ignoring the fact that a lot of folks would rather make their own character in an RPG, Geralt is like Captain America meets Wolverine meets James Bond meets Van Helsing. It's a "cool" character concept... but it's like it was thrown together by a 7th grader. I don't know much about the greater storyline and background lore, because it's so far buried beneath the tedious game that I personally haven't had the time or inclination to chip away at, because I don't like games that feel like a job. Maybe the payoff there is awesome. I'll likely get there eventually. Dragon Age's lore and world building is tough to beat though, in my book.
At the end of the day though... this is a Bioware forum, full of posters who want to talk about Bioware games, for the most part. If someone makes an antagonistic post solely to **** on stuff that people actually like here - and the OP fits the bill, there - I'm not sure what else he expects to happen.
Maybe we should put Witcher threads in the off-topic forum.
Are you living under rock you can see now how neo-puritans affect games.
http://www.gamespot....a/1100-6425276/
Mortal combat more realistic 
Or this. To sexy. How stupid someone must be to be jello's of fictional character.
http://www.gamespot....c/1100-6426966/
Are you living under rock you can see now how neo-puritans affect games.
http://www.gamespot....a/1100-6425276/
Mortal combat more realistic
Or this. To sexy. How stupid someone must be to be jello's of fictional character.
Errrgh.. Glad MK is the only one doing that stuff. I'll choose to enjoy street fighter universe and king of fighters more.
If you don't really care then why are you here?j
I just like coming to the forum as there are other discussions going on here, but I no longer anticipate DA games. I am however, looking forward to ME4 and the New game in development.
We can't talk about features in the abstract. Sure, what TW3 markets sounds great. We don't know if I will be great in practice. We can't see what trade-offs CDPR made in implementing the features. I'm not trying to hate on TW3 - I just think we shouldn't compare products until they're released.
Witcher 2 have much better quests then DA:I. Focus on story not pointless fetch quests.Picking flowers. What Inquisitor do is Geralts job. He need flowers to save noonwraith. The story of character who's job is to do fetch quests is more interesting then leader of the organisation to shake the world.
Considering most of these topics have a clear title to what lies inside-- it would make sense not to support threads like this by posting in them, especially knowing that you're going to be upset even before typing out your reply. If you feel it's a bait thread, why get reeled in?
I'm not upset. I'm annoyed, like I said.
Why would I post in a bait thread? Because it's satisfying to point out bad arguments or (if the OP is bad enough) mock the thread entirely.
I agree these threads would make much more sense if the game was on the shelf. However, I see nothing wrong with comparing it to features that we read about in reviews and/or articles. After all, a good idea is a good idea.
When I read that your decisions in most side quests in TW3 actually have visual and lasting consequences, I thought-- "Wow, wish DAI had that." If I find TW3 doesn't have that, it isn't going to change the fact that I wish DAI did.
In which case there's no point in saying "be more like TW3." Just skip to saying "DA: I needs more visual, lasting consequence." Hell, if you feel like providing an actual example for TW3, be my guest. There are several things I think TW does better than Dragon Age, and I've said so in the past. Funny how I didn't get dogpiled; maybe it's because my point was measured, had specific information, and didn't seem like an advertisement for a different game from someone invested in making a bunch of drive-by anti-Inquisition posts.
Witcher 2 have much better quests then DA:I. Focus on story not pointless fetch quests.Picking flowers. What Inquisitor do is Geralts job. He need flowers to save noonwraith. The story of character who's job is to do fetch quests is more interesting then leader of the organisation to shake the world.
I think DAI vs. TW2 is bit of a mixed bag. The side quests in TW2 are hand crafted and varied. There's no competition there. But TW2 also has a different resource curve - no companions or companion banter, and a set PC. I don't think that excuses Bioware, but, at the same time, the character driven quests (e.g. the Succubus featuring Dandelion, the foray into the mines with Zoltan & co., the tournament with Ves) are a lot less fleshed out than the DAI companion quests.
They're more fun overall though in TW2. I was never burned out on those quests even replaying replaying the game.
Still TW2 isn't TW3 so I'm not sure I see your point.
My point I don't understand why compare DA:I with W3 witch is not even released. W2 much better game and have better quests. Like DA:I finding out who wants to kill Celine "Floriana just come and say hi i will kill Celine and leave you to my incompetent subordinates." DA:i want to be realistic but mission just joke. In witcher 2 you actually need to find who poisoned Saskia and can fail. And first witcher have even better all chapter is basically you are detective.
And you right is not excuse. "has a different resource curve" So what? Expending game tame by filling world with meaningless fetch quests is not excuse. Quantity over quality is unforgivable. And I am pretty sure Bioware have more money than CDPred.
I think DAI vs. TW2 is bit of a mixed bag. The side quests in TW2 are hand crafted and varied. There's no competition there. But TW2 also has a different resource curve - no companions or companion banter, and a set PC. I don't think that excuses Bioware, but, at the same time, the character driven quests (e.g. the Succubus featuring Dandelion, the foray into the mines with Zoltan & co., the tournament with Ves) are a lot less fleshed out than the DAI companion quests.
They're more fun overall though in TW2. I was never burned out on those quests even replaying replaying the game.
Still TW2 isn't TW3 so I'm not sure I see your point.
TW2 and 3 look like very different games structurally anyways, 2 was a very tight game with fairly small open areas that you moved on from and told through retrospect. 3 is straight-up open world and in that respect is unlike the first two games. DAI structurally has more in common with TW1 than TW2.
Feedback: Be more like Dragon Age, because Dragon Age is great.
I'm not upset. I'm annoyed, like I said.
Why would I post in a bait thread? Because it's satisfying to point out bad arguments or (if the OP is bad enough) mock the thread entirely.
In which case there's no point in saying "be more like TW3." Just skip to saying "DA: I needs more visual, lasting consequence." Hell, if you feel like providing an actual example for TW3, be my guest. There are several things I think TW does better than Dragon Age, and I've said so in the past. Funny how I didn't get dogpiled; maybe it's because my point was measured, had specific information, and didn't seem like an advertisement for a different game from someone invested in making a bunch of drive-by anti-Inquisition posts.
Quests and decisions that have consequences, a proper open world, much less pointless harvesting and looting, and much better gameplay. Also CD Projekt Red is giving out Free DLC specifically to divert from the greedy norm. Putting this game to shame.
-Quests and Decisions that have consequences: DA:I has plenty of those.
-Proper Open World: Inquisition is multi-region open world, so there's not really a comparison to be made here.
-Less pointless harvesting and looting: Uh, have you played Witcher 2? Literally every single crate, barrel, bookcase, and bedstand is filled with worthless junk. It's worse than Skyrim lol.
-Free DLC to divert from Greedy norm: CDPR is giving always hairstyles, weapon packs, and alternate appearances for free. They're charging for expansion content. So is Bioware. Inquisition had no Day 1 DLC, no disk-locked companions, and they waited until well after the game's release to start working on additional content. In addition, they're continuously giving us free updates. Not sure how anybody could call this game "greedy."
So, yeah. Nothing really to be compared here.
My point I don't understand why compare DA:I with W3 witch is not even released. W2 much better game and have better quests. Like DA:I finding out who wants to kill Celine "Floriana just come and say hi i will kill Celine and leave you to my incompetent subordinates." DA:i want to be realistic but mission just joke. In witcher 2 you actually need to find who poisoned Saskia and can fail. And first witcher have even better all chapter is basically you are detective.
And you right is not excuse. "has a different resource curve" So what? Expending game tame by filling world with meaningless fetch quests is not excuse. Quantity over quality is unforgivable. And I am pretty sure Bioware have more money than CDPred.
CDPR definitely did a great job of moving on from the lumpy horror of faces in TW1, I guess to be fair though all of their (BW's) character depictions in DAI are an improvement over any previous attempts including Cassandra (DAO & DA2, much like TW1, was full of lumpy horror). Also at least one of those Morrigan pictures is from a CGI trailer.
I like both and don't want one to be a clone of another as i already own one.Why some people want to keep buying the same thing i don't know
Let The Witcher be The Witcher and let Dragon Age be Dragon Age.
Bioware's at its weakest when it's trying to mimic some other game.
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