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[Elhanan]

So I was right the first time. There's no way to avoid the action combat.

Here is the Gopher TW2 Rage vid I mentioned, though again; am uncertain if TW3 combat is close to this:

[Dreadstruck]

From what I can tell by this thread, the people that dislike the Witcher are either drinking from the Sarkeesian fountain of wisdom, or belong to a secret society determined to bring back the values imposed by the great and glorious Oliver Cromwell. 

 

To be frank, there seems to be three types of people here:

 

1) who have actually played the game and either liked it (seems like a majority) or have some valid criticism about it

2) people who just didn't liked it (but played it or at least have a first-hand experience with it) and it wasn't their cup of tea

3) people who have not played it and just came in to proclaim how much they hate the Witcher or how much they're not willing to give it a chance (some of them do it repeteadly for whatever reason).

 

In the end, this thread was made to discuss what could Bioware learn from CD Projekt's TW3 (so in the end we, RPG players, would get the best of both worlds in subsequent DA titles), so I am kinda baffled why some individuals keep coming back here, if all they do is constantly downplaying TW3's achievements and defending DA's shortcomings.

 

A real fan is not afraid to suggest an improvement to something he loves (whether it's DA, Witcher or any RPG). Not just blindy praise everything that is thrown at him like a blind lemming. That's what the word is for: Feedback.

[Grieving Natashina]

To be frank, there seems to be three types of people here:

 

1) who have actually played the game and either liked it (seems like a majority) or have some valid criticism about it

2) people who just didn't liked it (but played it or at least have a first-hand experience with it) and it wasn't their cup of tea

2) people who have not played it and just came in to proclaim how much they hate the Witcher or how much they're not willing to give it a chance (some of them do it repeteadly for whatever reason).

 

In the end, this thread was made to discuss what could Bioware learn from CD Projekt's TW3 (so in the end we, RPG players, would get the best of both worlds in subsequent DA titles), so I am kinda baffled why some individuals keep coming back here, if all they do is constantly downplaying TW3's achievements and defending DA's shortcomings.

 

A real fan is not afraid to suggest an improvement to something he loves. Not just blindy praise everything that is thrown at him like a blind lemming. That's what the word is for: Feedback.

I wish I could like this more than once.  Thank you.  

 

Edit: This works both ways.  I don't think TW fans or DA fans should rip into each other.  Both games have their flaws and places were they shine.  This shouldn't be a contest.  There is plenty of room on the market for both games.  If the companies can learn from each other and improve their games, then I think this should be considered a win.

[SnakeCode]

To be frank, there seems to be three types of people here:

 

1) who have actually played the game and either liked it (seems like a majority) or have some valid criticism about it

2) people who just didn't liked it (but played it or at least have a first-hand experience with it) and it wasn't their cup of tea

2) people who have not played it and just came in to proclaim how much they hate the Witcher or how much they're not willing to give it a chance (some of them do it repeteadly for whatever reason).

 

In the end, this thread was made to discuss what could Bioware learn from CD Projekt's TW3 (so in the end we, RPG players, would get the best of both worlds in subsequent DA titles), so I am kinda baffled why some individuals keep coming back here, if all they do is constantly downplaying TW3's achievements and defending DA's shortcomings.

 

A real fan is not afraid to suggest an improvement to something he loves (whether it's DA, Witcher or any RPG). Not just blindy praise everything that is thrown at him like a blind lemming. That's what the word is for: Feedback.

 

A thousand times this!

[Sylvius the Mad]

What BioWare can learn from The Witcher is not to put action combat in their games.

DAI's action combat is fully avoidable, so that's okay. ME's action combat is fully avoidable, so that's okay. TW's action combat is not avoidable, so that's not okay.

[Steelcan]

>tfw Keira Metz was constantly flirting with Geralt because she was playing him for her own purposes

but boobs!?!

[slimgrin]

Here is the Gopher TW2 Rage vid I mentioned, though again; am uncertain if TW3 combat is close to this:

 

He really does make every noob mistake possible there. Over an hour of flailing, lol. 

[Elhanan]

To be frank, there seems to be three types of people here:
 
1) who have actually played the game and either liked it (seems like a majority) or have some valid criticism about it
2) people who just didn't liked it (but played it or at least have a first-hand experience with it) and it wasn't their cup of tea
2) people who have not played it and just came in to proclaim how much they hate the Witcher or how much they're not willing to give it a chance (some of them do it repeteadly for whatever reason).
 
In the end, this thread was made to discuss what could Bioware learn from CD Projekt's TW3 (so in the end we, RPG players, would get the best of both worlds in subsequent DA titles), so I am kinda baffled why some individuals keep coming back here, if all they do is constantly downplaying TW3's achievements and defending DA's shortcomings.
 
A real fan is not afraid to suggest an improvement to something he loves (whether it's DA, Witcher or any RPG). Not just blindy praise everything that is thrown at him like a blind lemming. That's what the word is for: Feedback.

Or people that wish to like it, but dislike some of the content chosen to go in the product. I like pizza; hate anchovies. I enjoy cRPG's; loathe profanity. The Devs choice to include it, and my choice to pass on the material even if it means missing the beauty of the rest of it.

Also dislike the use of it in Bioware titles; a factor as to why ME2 was only played a single time, and I did not pre-order ME3. Reason why The Iron Bull and Blackwall are benched in DAI. Not deaf to the concerns in Bioware, but they do help make the games easier for the Player to manage the environs.

[Dreadstruck]

I wish I could like this more than once.  Thank you.  

 

Edit: This works both ways.  I don't think TW fans or DA fans should rip into each other.  Both games have their flaws and places were they shine.  This shouldn't be a contest.  There is plenty of room on the market for both games.  If the companies can learn from each other and improve their games, then I think this should be considered a win.

 

Yes!

 

That is what the thread was made for in my opinion. Instead of a pissing contest, it should be a room for inspiration or improvement for both series. Or well, Dragon Age, since this is a Bioware forum and DA section right now, right here.

 

All I care about here is what can be improved, not what can be belittled.

[shit's fucked cunts]

>tfw Keira Metz was constantly flirting with Geralt because she was playing him for her own purposes

but boobs!?!

 

Pretty blatant. Areola was totally visible every time she turned left or right.

 

"Oops, my magic spell forgot to include a bra! Tee hee!"

[Steelcan]

Pretty blatant. Areola was totally visible every time she turned left or right.
 
"Oops, my magic spell forgot to include a bra! Tee hee!"

might have had something to do with the fact that she was playing him in order to use to A. Get the lamp then B. Clear Fyke Isle

[AmberDragon]

To be frank, there seems to be three types of people here:
 
1) who have actually played the game and either liked it (seems like a majority) or have some valid criticism about it
2) people who just didn't liked it (but played it or at least have a first-hand experience with it) and it wasn't their cup of tea
2) people who have not played it and just came in to proclaim how much they hate the Witcher or how much they're not willing to give it a chance (some of them do it repeteadly for whatever reason).
 
In the end, this thread was made to discuss what could Bioware learn from CD Projekt's TW3 (so in the end we, RPG players, would get the best of both worlds in subsequent DA titles), so I am kinda baffled why some individuals keep coming back here, if all they do is constantly downplaying TW3's achievements and defending DA's shortcomings.
 
A real fan is not afraid to suggest an improvement to something he loves (whether it's DA, Witcher or any RPG). Not just blindy praise everything that is thrown at him like a blind lemming. That's what the word is for: Feedback.

This ^ I wish I could like many more times than nust once!

[RINNZ]

To be frank, there seems to be three types of people here:

1) who have actually played the game and either liked it (seems like a majority) or have some valid criticism about it
2) people who just didn't liked it (but played it or at least have a first-hand experience with it) and it wasn't their cup of tea
2) people who have not played it and just came in to proclaim how much they hate the Witcher or how much they're not willing to give it a chance (some of them do it repeteadly for whatever reason).

In the end, this thread was made to discuss what could Bioware learn from CD Projekt's TW3 (so in the end we, RPG players, would get the best of both worlds in subsequent DA titles), so I am kinda baffled why some individuals keep coming back here, if all they do is constantly downplaying TW3's achievements and defending DA's shortcomings.

A real fan is not afraid to suggest an improvement to something he loves (whether it's DA, Witcher or any RPG). Not just blindy praise everything that is thrown at him like a blind lemming. That's what the word is for: Feedback.

Preach the word, pastor! Preach it!

*faints*

[Grieving Natashina]

Preach the word, pastor! Preach it!

*faints*

 

I was thinking:

 

[MoonDrummer]

 

I didn't enjoy my Witcher experience, but you're not speaking for me here as one of the people in this thread.  I don't care for A.S,  nor the teachings of a political/military leader from the 1600s.  Please don't generalize like that.  

[Drantwo]

Patch 1.04 is out. For those who want to rebind all the keys including WASD, it's good news.

[Dreadstruck]

Patch 1.04 is out. For those who want to rebind all the keys including WASD, it's good news.

 

And so the locked keybinding complaint is moot. Programming 101 and all that.

 

I am wondering, what approach to patching do you people prefer?

 

A big package once a month (Bioware) or frequent small packages every now and then (CD Projekt)?

[AresKeith]

Yes!

That is what the thread was made for in my opinion. Instead of a pissing contest, it should be a room for inspiration or improvement for both series. Or well, Dragon Age, since this is a Bioware forum and DA section right now, right here.

All I care about here is what can be improved, not what can be belittled.

Quoted for truth

[Sylvius the Mad]

--50 minute video--

Over an hour of flailing, lol.

If the game is properly documented, or has an adequate tutorial, "noob" mistakes don't happen.

[rashie]

And so the locked keybinding complaint is moot. Programming 101 and all that.

 

I am wondering, what approach to patching do you people prefer?

 

A big package once a month (Bioware) or frequent small packages every now and then (CD Projekt)?

Assuming the fixes do not bring in new bugs, I prefer them in smaller more frequent batches.

[The Hierophant]

--50 minute video-- If the game is properly documented, or has an adequate tutorial, "noob" mistakes don't happen.

Nah. Considering how far into the game that fight is he's only a scrub. Plus even with a tutorial or lengthy manual there's no guarantee that everyone would bother to play the tutorial, and read the manual.

[Seraphim24]

What BioWare can learn from The Witcher is not to put action combat in their games.

DAI's action combat is fully avoidable, so that's okay. ME's action combat is fully avoidable, so that's okay. TW's action combat is not avoidable, so that's not okay.

 

I prefer it to the DA2 and DA:I hybrid thingy of DA so.. don't know what to tell you.

[In Exile]

You were introduced to Yennefer via staring at her naked body for a while. Kiera Metz has her top wide open, and you were introduced to her via her randomly having a bath, boobs out. Ciri has decided that she's too cool for buttons, so her bra pokes through the gap in her top. Tamara is supposed to be a teenager, so it would be weird if she was sexed up. Those are the only ones I've met so far, and so far they have all been Flirty Mcboobpants to different degrees (Tamara notwitchstanding). This is all an opinion, you may think it works, I don't. It's just forced in for me, and takes away from any seriousness of their character.

           Now if I was to look at the male characters. The Bloody Baron who is a complex, arsehole of a character which the game makes you feel some way sorry for, no penis flopping required. The commander who told you to kill the griffin (can't remember his name), in the short time you saw him, he was shown as a firm, strong leader who tries the carrot, but is forced to use the stick. You are taken on a rollercoaster of knowing him, first believing him just, to then believing him wicked. The Emperor who clearly has beef with Geralt, but works with him because of what (I think so far) is fatherly love. The gulf between the complexity of male and female characters is striking, to me.

 

While I agree with you about Yennefer's introduction, I think (like the very sexual kiss between Phillipa and Saskia in TW2) the introduction of Kiera Metz serves a narrative purpose. She's playing a particular long game in that regard, and using her allure in this way is part of her plot. Now. on a meta-level, you can criticize the setting for more generally seeing empowerment for women as using "sexual wiles" to get men to do what they want. That's, at least based on how far I've played into the game, a fair criticism. But I wouldn't say Kiera is necessarily objectified, which is to say that she's being portrayed in a sexualized way for no purpose beyond the titilation of the audience. 

 

Also, I just don't get your comment about the Baron. He's an irredeemable piece of ****. There's absolutely nothing sympathetic about his character, like I've said previously, besides the fact he doesn't wear a cloak made out of babies and avoids publicly skinning kittens. 

 

To bring this back mildly on topic:

 

1. On the character front, having a character like Kiera - who uses his or her sexuality as a weapon - is, I think, not necessarily something that Bioware should be afraid of adding. The dangers that come with this portrayal exist less so on a narrative level and more on a societal one. 

 

2. The Bloody Baron is not, IMO, a complex character, and characters like this add nothing noticeably "grey" to the setting. While the quest is very, very well done (and Bioware could learn a lot from the structure of the quest, to the different mechanisms used, to the way TW3 re-converges choices you make mid quest into the same ending) the actual character (and characters like him) don't add to the game. 

[Seraphim24]

You were introduced to Yennefer via staring at her naked body for a while. Kiera Metz has her top wide open, and you were introduced to her via her randomly having a bath, boobs out. Ciri has decided that she's too cool for buttons, so her bra pokes through the gap in her top. Tamara is supposed to be a teenager, so it would be weird if she was sexed up. Those are the only ones I've met so far, and so far they have all been Flirty Mcboobpants to different degrees (Tamara notwitchstanding). This is all an opinion, you may think it works, I don't. It's just forced in for me, and takes away from any seriousness of their character.

           Now if I was to look at the male characters. The Bloody Baron who is a complex, arsehole of a character which the game makes you feel some way sorry for, no penis flopping required. The commander who told you to kill the griffin (can't remember his name), in the short time you saw him, he was shown as a firm, strong leader who tries the carrot, but is forced to use the stick. You are taken on a rollercoaster of knowing him, first believing him just, to then believing him wicked. The Emperor who clearly has beef with Geralt, but works with him because of what (I think so far) is fatherly love. The gulf between the complexity of male and female characters is striking, to me.

 

Oh god here we go again, how is that the appearance of a naked body is how people judge these kinds of things? You can see Ciri's bra, blah blah blah. Meanwhile something like DA:I where you go on a mass genocidal binge in the name of your religious overlord, with your bloodlust temporarily abated only for periodic graphic sexual moments with full blown nudity is somehow ok because oh yeah, Cassandra's shirt doesn't show her cleavage.

 

Did anyone even bother to listen to Yennefer's dialogue in that sequence? First she teases him by summoning a crab on Geralt, and then she orders Geralt to leave and help Ciri, and even if you go to her and ask to stick around she still gives you the cold shoulder and asks you to leave again. She is in control, but she's naked so somehow it doesn't work, whereas in many other games, they have their clothes on but you can order/force them to do anything you want (Pretty much any female you come across in GTA, some DA characters, etc).

 

Actually nevermind I'll never get it, this is just going to get the same response it gets a bazillion other places.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I prefer it to the DA2 and DA:I hybrid thingy of DA so.. don't know what to tell you.

I don't play them as hybrid games. I play DAI pretty much exactly as I played DAO. I played DA2 pretty much exactly as I played KotOR (the lack of tactical camera makes them quite similar).

The way I play them, there is no action combat in these games. There's no hybrid aspect unless you want there to be.