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[Grieving Natashina]

I haven't gotten far into W3 yet, but I really like that you can hit left shift and the horse will auto follow the path...but that may just be because I'm lazy.

Nothing wrong with that.    I like your new avatar, by the way.  

 

I was just curious, because the animation looked smooth and the controls responsive.  The mounts in DA:I were nice, but I think I would have preferred one or two mounts with tight controls over that many different models.  The ability to fight at least some in combat on horseback would have been a lot of fun for my archers.

 

@Sofa Thanks for the heads up.  It sounds like Roach is a fan favorite character.  

[SofaJockey]

Excuse me.

I have W3, I was on PC Concerns forum from 18 Nov 2014.

W3 was only mentioned after 6 months of trying to get BW to appear on the forum at all. They never did so W3 became a topic for discussion.

The topic was closed by Conal Pierse. Evidently you cannot mention W3 on a BW forum.

If you had even read any of the posts, you would know that Witcher was rarely mentioned before a fortnight ago.

It is/was a PC Concerns topic started by Mike Darrah. So did you expect to see PS4/XBox problems??

Get your facts straight before you jump in.

 

BW appeared repeatedly on the PC Concerns thread but was largely ignored among the whining.

Conal closed the thread because it had been a car crash of hate for hundreds of pages, not due to TW3 specifically, just due to continued derailment.

TW3 had been referenced repeatedly, along the lines of 'come May 19 I go an play that better game'

I'm pleased that thread is shut, it considerably exceeded its sell-by date.

[MiyoKit]

If you don't mind me asking, when you talk about TW3's horses being better, are you referring to the animation?  I saw footage and I thought it looks a lot better than DA:I's approach.

 

I'm weirdly into horses in RPG games for immersion sake, I don't think saying TW3's horses are strictly better is accurate. DAI's horse model is better, TW3's horses seem to look like they're going to fall forward, perhaps its the front legs being in a weird place. I prefer DAI's walking / trotting / cantering animations because of it (horse never actually galloped QQ). TW3 also doesn't have a rear option, which is a small thing but its almost a given in every other RPG with horses, so thats sad.

         DAI's colourings are superior, with the horses in TW3 (except the brown ones) looking a little off with few variations.

 

However, Witcher 3's idle animations are faaar superior, and the fact you can customise your horse (blinders, saddles, saddlebags) add to it. Your horse in TW3 also seems to have personality, will wander off to eat apples or find a water source to drink, which is a really nice touch. He seems to ignore you if he's eating and you whistle for him, don't know if thats intended but I like it

        Not disappearing into a cloud of smoke is an added bonus, with that being really annoying in DAI for immersion's sake. And the ability to fight on the horse (and I LOVE the slow mo) is much appreciated.

 

TLDR; If the two merged they would be the ultimate RPG horse, and I probably enjoy horses in RPGs way more than the normal person ;_;

[SofaJockey]

... With dynamic weather effects, a day/night cycle, a believable ecosystem. Villages/towns/cities bustling with life. People actually having lives, instead of just standing motionless in the same place for their entire existence. People off all ages existing in the world, from babies, to children, to adults both young and old...

 

Oh and you are quite right about this.

Looking at the Storm Coast, it is indeed very pretty,

but I can see with the hassle of adopting Frostbite 3, that things like dynamic time and more weather suffered.

I hope to see them in DA4.

Population variety is also a good point.

[SnakeCode]

If you don't mind me asking, when you talk about TW3's horses being better, are you referring to the animation?  I saw footage and I thought it looks a lot better than DA:I's approach.

 

The horse mechanics really feel a lot like (and I assume are heavily influenced by) those in Red Dead Redemption. I don't know if you ever played it but it feels very similar. These two games are the only two games I can think of that makes riding a mount a satisfactory experience.

[Ashelsu]

If you don't mind me asking, when you talk about TW3's horses being better, are you referring to the animation?  I saw footage and I thought it looks a lot better than DA:I's approach.

1. Terrain is more favourable to using horses. Villages and towns are connected with roads, and even in the wilderness you can access almost everything by horse. In Inquisition the only location where you can ride freely and not fight the terrain is Hissing Wastes.

2. Some quests are designed to use a horse: you chase a questgiver who tries to escape from you on his own horse (you can fail it), you ride a long distance with friendly NPC and such. It also makes world more alive and believable. In Dragon Age only Inquisitors can ride.

3. There are horse races. (Optional, adds diversity to gameplay and gives you a bit of money).

4. You can fight on horseback, including fighting other riders. Controls are not perfect, but it's an option and you can defeat much stronger enemies that way. Horse also has a fear-meter and she will drop you in the middle of fight if she is scared enough. You can improve her fear-meter with special equipment.

5. Horse has a name - Roach - (Geralt and even other NPC mention it). It's a nice nod to bookreaders and I like she has a name. Just a small thing but creates a special bond. I just like having Roach around.

6. She can move at three different speeds and can follow roads automatically. Convenient.

[Grieving Natashina]

The horse mechanics really feel a lot like (and I assume are heavily influenced by) those in Red Dead Redemption. I don't know if you ever played it but it feels very similar. These two games are the only two games I can think of that makes riding a mount a satisfactory experience.

I've been really tempted to pick that up.  My husband and I both love games, but we usually don't play many of the same ones.  I know he would love RDR, and while it's not my usual genre, the story and gameplay look excellent.  He just finished Wolfenstein: The Old Blood*, and he was "meh" on the Thief demo.  He's about due for another good game, so thanks for the recommendation.

 

@Miyo and Ash, thanks for your comments.  It sounds like fun, although I could leave the fear meter out of it.  That's just my nitpick though.

 

_{*Anyone that says that FPS' are all the same and are for brainless players obviously never played the new Wolfenstein games.  They have some of the best VA work, animation and story I've seen outside of the more usual-story driven RPGs.  Seriously, if you like FPS games, go play The Old Blood and The New Order.  Go play it now.}

[The Hierophant]

The horse mechanics really feel a lot like (and I assume are heavily influenced by) those in Red Dead Redemption. I don't know if you ever played it but it feels very similar. These two games are the only two games I can think of that makes riding a mount a satisfactory experience.

Outside of a horse racing sim i agree, and don't forget Shadow of The Colossus too. Long live Argo.

[SofaJockey]

I like your new avatar, by the way.  

 

Thank you 

A little uniformity is called for flitting between BSN and the Witcher forums 

Interesting how similar horses the Ferelden Bay and Roach are...

 

[Grieving Natashina]

Thank you 

A little uniformity is called for flitting between BSN and the Witcher forums 

Interesting how similar horses the Ferelden Bay and Roach are...

 

You're welcome.  You and Wiki both got some nice avatar changes.  

 

Okay, that picture of Geralt in what looks like a cheesy "Dad sweater" keeps making me giggle.

[SnakeCode]

I've been really tempted to pick that up.  My husband and I both love games, but we usually don't play many of the same ones.  I know he would love RDR, and while it's not my usual genre, the story and gameplay look excellent.  He just finished Wolfenstein: The New Order*, and he was "meh" on the Thief demo.  He's about due for another good game.

 

_{*Anyone that says that FPS' are all the same and are for brainless players obviously never played the new Wolfenstein games.}  

 

It really is a fantastic experience. It's an easy argument to make that it's one of the best games of the last generation, if not the best.. I know a good few people who cite it as their favourite game of all time. I'm sure both you and your husband would quickly fall in love with the game. It's a master class in storytelling, world design and interesting characters. It also contains some real standout moments that you'll remember for the rest of your gaming life. It blew me away, and i'm sure you would enjoy it too.  

[MiyoKit]

@Miyo and Ash, thanks for your comments.  It sounds like fun, although I could leave the fear meter out of it.  That's just my nitpick though.

 

The fear meter can be annoying, because your horse sometimes randomly stops and does a little 'I don't want to go there' animation on the smallest of things. While he's doing that animation, if you've got mobs around you, you will likely get kicked off and be forced to stay and fight. However, W3 is far more open to mods than DAI (which Bioware really needs to take note on), I have no doubt a fear meter mod will be out soon, if it's not already.

[SofaJockey]

The horse mechanics really feel a lot like (and I assume are heavily influenced by) those in Red Dead Redemption. I don't know if you ever played it but it feels very similar. These two games are the only two games I can think of that makes riding a mount a satisfactory experience.

 

Yep, definitely get the Red Dead Redemption vibe.

Even some of the bridges are constructed the same way.

[Grieving Natashina]

The fear meter can be annoying, because your horse sometimes randomly stops and does a little 'I don't want to go there' animation on the smallest of things. While he's doing that animation, if you've got mobs around you, you will likely get kicked off and be forced to stay and fight. However, W3 is far more open to mods than DAI (which Bioware really needs to take note on), I have no doubt a fear meter mod will be out soon, if it's not already.

Ugh, sounds like it.  That is an area that DA:I was better.  I know that having a fear meter for a horse would be more realistic, but it sounds like it could get the player into some icky spots.

 

To be fair to BioWare, it wasn't their call when it came to modding.  Not even EA's, as they continue to support modding for the Sims games.  The Frostbite engine itself is a pain to mod, and BioWare can't just release a mod kit.  They'd have to contact DICE as well as other third party companies.  There's a tweet floating around from back in December that talked about it.  Forgive the laziness, as it's getting near my bedtime. Otherwise, I do agree with you. It's not impossible though.  I'm running plenty of mods at the moment for DA:I.  

[Ashelsu]

You're welcome.  You and Wiki both got some nice avatar changes.  

 

Okay, that picture of Geralt in what looks like a cheesy "Dad sweater" keeps making me giggle.

Hey, I'm dressed in this armor now!

"Dad sweater"... Should I keep it to meet Ciri then?

 

I heard nothing but good thing about Red Dead Redemption. It's the only game I feel like I miss playing PC.

But what about Mount and Blade series? Did they implement fighting on horses well?

[Grieving Natashina]

Hey, I'm dressed in this armor now!

"Dad sweater"... Should I keep it to meet Ciri then?

 

Oh please do and either put up or send me a screenshot.  I'm sorry, but that was the first thing I thought of.  

[TobyJake]

@SofaJockey

Specifics on BW appearing on the PC Concerns thread please!

Alan Schumacker appeared very early on, Conal Pierse also appeared briefly. No other Bioware person was ever there.

You only have to use the Show Only Bioware posts to see that. 3 pages of Bioware posts. One page taken up by Patch notes.

2 pages of BW presence out of 766 pages?

 

 

BW appeared repeatedly on the PC Concerns thread but was largely ignored among the whining. False!

Conal closed the thread because it had been a car crash of hate for hundreds of pages, not due to TW3 specifically, just due to continued derailment.

What hate? You never read the posts, that is obvious.

[MoonDrummer]

Also, feminism is never about solely victimising women. It's about gender equality. 

[Morroian]

BW appeared repeatedly on the PC Concerns thread but was largely ignored among the whining.

Conal closed the thread because it had been a car crash of hate for hundreds of pages, not due to TW3 specifically, just due to continued derailment.

TW3 had been referenced repeatedly, along the lines of 'come May 19 I go an play that better game'

I'm pleased that thread is shut, it considerably exceeded its sell-by date.

 

It was specifically closed due to TW discussion, it was off topic so I expected it, I warned the participants but to no avail. BW appearing repeatedly has already been refuted by Toby.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Well at least your consistent, but I would still argue there aren't any meaningful stats basically, unless you want to convert the basic primal actions

Is anyone claiming that DAI is a good example of stat-driven gamepla? DAI even uses collision detection for melee combat, and that undermines what limited stats they have.

My only defense of DAI's combat would be based on how the action elements are mostly not mandatory.

[Aren]

 

You may have a 'moral' satisfaction, but that's about it. And most of the times, it deconstructs how you feel about morality, since it shows the evilness of heroism.

 

It would be awesome to see you play the games, just to watch you whine about them.

Sorry i do not understand the meaning of this, satisfaction of what?

When the player,the hero or whatever, help someone in game or even in IRL is not supposed to be for the "satisfaction",that's a weird logic you show in here,people that wish to help others genuinely because they are moved by empathy,sympathy for others reasons that have nothing to do with a specific reward do not make useless self congratulation.

Or this message of yours was supposed to be a self celebration to the renegade path? Evilness of heroism? ,It reminds me of Buster gold ,maybe you have just misinterpreted the words " hero" or its ideal is not something that you do for gratification or self congratulation,this is morel likely something that a good Villain will do,it may be interesting per se, but just not belongs to the path of a complete selfless hero.

By the way Geralt do not do what he do for moral satisfaction,it is simply his job,he is not an hero,he is not a villain he is simply a Witcher and his game is not an heroic tale like the one of Bioware.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Just don't tell me that feminism is all about helping males.

Did anyone claim that feminism was all about helping males?

My brand of feminism certainly is partly about helping males, because I'm doing it and I'm male. And since I'm selfish (because I'm a person), I do what I do because I think it benefits me to do so.

I would enjoy a world without gender roles, so I openly reject them. Feminism is about gender equality, and there won't be equality as long as one group is expected to behave differently from the other.

[Elhanan]

@SofaJockey
Specifics on BW appearing on the PC Concerns thread please!
Alan Schumacker appeared very early on, Conal Pierse also appeared briefly. No other Bioware person was ever there.
You only have to use the Show Only Bioware posts to see that. 3 pages of Bioware posts. One page taken up by Patch notes.
2 pages of BW presence out of 766 pages?
 
 
BW appeared repeatedly on the PC Concerns thread but was largely ignored among the whining. False!
Conal closed the thread because it had been a car crash of hate for hundreds of pages, not due to TW3 specifically, just due to continued derailment.
What hate? You never read the posts, that is obvious.

Believe BW had been there based on one of their posts; simply chose not to respond to the thread. They were reading the thread, but not replying to it. And do not forget the Moderators....

[BabyPuncher]

I would enjoy a world without gender roles, so I openly reject them. Feminism is about gender equality, and there won't be equality as long as one group is expected to behave differently from the other.

Man, thank God only a complete fool would ever want equality. We'd be out of luck otherwise.

Funny, I did.

Did you?

When and how was this?

[Sylvius the Mad]

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Absolutely true:

My summary so far would be:

DA be more like The Witcher 3 in:

• Weight of side-quests
• Number of side quest steps and choices
• Stronger punch in use of cutcsene/animations
• TW3 Horses are better

Those first two sound good, but I would oppose the third. We need fewer cutscenes and cinematics, not more.