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#326
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I read it again, still don't see it as a confirmation that they started after Cullen left (but thats could be my text interpretation), but if it is, Jo Berry screwed up, she didn't verify previous lore before she made her short story, and I don't see it overriding what was said in game (in game lore > short story from the blog).

 

When it comes to the whole "Red Lyrium" story in the game it was either: A. All over the place and B. whatever was said contradicted what was previously said and/or known.

 

I felt the writers were making it up as they went and not paying attention to what was previously already written.



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Ignorance is bliss?

That's what you took from it.

Alright then.

Your...perspective astounds me from it's simplicity.

Because only you two have said anything of black and white period.

That is indeed what I took from it. My perspective is simplistic? The perspective that I described as "knowing the world is complicated?" Alright then. You may not have used the words black and white, but that's no prerequisite for speaking in about things in a black and white way, which you certainly did.



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[quote name="BansheeOwnage" post="19126207" timestamp="1431553066"]

That is indeed what I took from it./quote]

Thought so.

#329
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One thing I know for sure: if Cullen did leave Kirkwall knowing the Templars were being lost to the red lyrium, this changes the perspective on the character a lot.

After all, he gives the impression of being this ideal military man, flawless when it comes to honour and duty. 

 

Judging by his letter to South Reach, I always nurtured the idea he left the Templars of his on volition, after seeing how degradated the Order had become and how he could no longer contain the chaos. And for his move, I thought he was cleverer than he seemed to be.

 

If he had indeed stayed even knowing the Chantry had failed and rogue mages and templars were attacking each other all over Southern Thedas, I would've considered it a severe lack of good sense.



#330
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He leaves the templar order because they weren´t doing anything worth it after the Kirkwall´s circle fell, so with the inquisition he feels he can help the world more, i´m fine with him leaving temporarily to resolve the crisis. I´m talking more about when the game ends.

He says that some of the harsh stuff he saw as a templar disturbs him, and that "i want nothing to do with that life". To me that sounds a lot like a grey warden seeing a broodmother or ogre and going "****, this is too scary for me, i´m leaving the order. wait i´m still tainted.."

That´s the thing with Cullen, if he cures his lyrium addiction then he is no longer a templar, he effectively left the order because he no longer liked it in there, and got away with it. Do you think that sets a good precedent? Should templars be able to quit when they decide they had enough? In the military, that would be deserting.

It sounds like the lyrium addiction is what keeps them on the job, even when it becomes hard to bear, same way that the wardens put up with a lot of crap because they must - if the taint was cured, most would quit like Fiona, and do something else that fight darkspawn until they themselves become a ghoul.

I see a lot of similarities between these two orders, like both being warriors who make sacrifices, and who endure hard things normal soldiers could not. It cheapens the sacrifice if someone can just decide to quit when they no longer like it.

What do you think about Cullen and his decision to both quit the templars and taking lyrium?

 

Hey,

 

I think his decision to quit (after all, the templars had lost their way and they've become prison wardens instead of guardians to the mages!) is right - as is his decision to quit taking the drug that acts as the templars leash!

 

Even more so as his order brainwashed him (into hating mages) and he now sees that (he knows that his own psychological problems made it worse and that he wasn't himself while in Kirkwall)

 

And quite frankly:

 

Anything that disarms the chantry (even if it's one templar at a time) is a good thing (religions should not have armies IMHO - they should keep out of politics as well, but in Thedas that's probably not going to happen for a few centuries at least -.-)!

 

Oh, mages are quite able to govern themselves (after all who better to fight an abomination that a mage? - Templars need to be close to use their anti-mage abilities, while mages can just burn the abomination down, no need for close combat etc. - same for bloodmages (hell, I'd say: Teach bloodmagic! If everybody's using it, it becomes less of an advantage and is easily countered!), too so it's good that templars are leaving the order (they can join city guards or the inquisition and teach their skills to others so that mundanes can learn to defend themselves without joining the chantry!)

 

greetings LAX

ps: I would applaud any - conscripted - warden leaving the order as well (I think forcing the taint on people is WRONG - with the exception of convicted criminals...death or the wardens, that should work out well enough...a lot of people would jump at the choice of redemption and the chance to become a legendary hero after all!))...I still would have loved the option to ditch Duncan on the way to Ostagar (only to end up having to fight the darkspawn anyway, without being a warden yourself though!) or use an ice-spell during the joining and take off!



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[quote name="BansheeOwnage" post="19126207" timestamp="1431553066"]

That is indeed what I took from it./quote]

Thought so.

Sure, just ignore the rest of my comment.



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Blessed Andraste...

Well that's something to read for a quick chuckle I suppose.

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Sure, just ignore the rest of my comment.

Yup.

It wasn't relevant.

Your take on my morality was only in question in the spectrum of how you personally implied to think it was simplistic.

You confirmed it.

No need for further discourse.

#334
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Yup.

It wasn't relevant.

Your take on my morality was only in question in the spectrum of how you personally implied to think it was simplistic.

You confirmed it.

No need for further discourse.

It's really too bad you volunteer at your local kindergarten.



#335
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I admit, I'm sympathetic to the Venatori in many ways. I even might have more fun playing as Calpernia than the Inquisitor; certainly it'd be a more challenging and dramatic game.


I imagine it would be difficult to get past all the evil sorcerer cultists, mindless henchmen and occasional Red Templar monster.

#336
Master Warder Z_

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It's really too bad you volunteer at your local kindergarten.


The children actually adore me.

I tell the best stories.

#337
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No, he's just a whiny tool (Alistair 2.0) who can't even control the mages in his own tower.



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Lol are you talking about Kirkwall or Ferelden?
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#339
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The children actually adore me.

I tell the best stories.

tell me they aren't the grim ones haha

#340
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The children actually adore me.

I tell the best stories.


Are they war stories? They're war stories aren't they.
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#341
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Are they war stories? They're war stories aren't they.


**** no.

They wouldn't understand why people kill other people or blow up other people.

They don't understand concepts like religious extremism or Jihad.

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Are there Griffins in them
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Are there Griffins in them

 

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#344
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Are there Griffins in them

...No.

But there is Conny the communist and Bert the beet!

#345
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Ah Wynn one of my favorites

#346
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...No.

But there is Conny the communist and Bert the beet!

charming hehe planing to instil anti Communist/socialist/positive views lol

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charming hehe planing to instil anti Communist/socialist/positive views lol

Yes..."charming".

...No.

But there is Conny the communist and Bert the beet!


The beet as in the food?

#348
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charming hehe planing to instil anti Communist/socialist/positive views lol


I also expand their vocabulary.

I teach them rudimentary deustch in the form of marching hymns

#349
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The beet as in the food?


Yup.

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I also expand their vocabulary.

I teach them rudimentary deustch in the form of marching hymns

oh dear I can hear the boots already.... oddly glass too lol