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[Lady Artifice]

Warder: Templar good, not Templar bad.

[Carmen_Willow]

He's a deserter.

You can't say that unless you know the terms of his service. They may not be bound in the same way as our military is bound. I have a feeling their service isn't formalized because the Chantry has kept them enslaved with lirium.  Plus, as an officer instead of a grunt, he may be able to resign his commission.

[Master Warder Z_]

You can't say that unless you know the terms of his service. They may not be bound in the same way as our military is bound. I have a feeling their service isn't formalized because the Chantry has kept them enslaved with lirium.

It's the terms of their service.

Not enslavement.

You know what is expected of you long before you taste lyrium.

Accept it or don't.

That's what making a choice is, a life of service and lyrium or one without.

Your a soldier or not.

It's a relatively simple personal choice.

[Carmen_Willow]

If he actually got discharged, then he didn't desert.

Totally different scenario.

But that's still leaving when your needed.

I'd still call him one for abandoning his duty to play storybook hero.

I would say he was "called" to a higher purpose, by the Divine's Right-Hand, who trumps a mad Knight-Commander big time.

[Master Warder Z_]

Seekers are outside Templar chain of command.

He could no more join her at her request then he could the Wardens.

So no.

Him abandoning brothers and duty for vanity is trumped by a Seeker coming to were he is needed.

He abandoned his men, left them to what came after. In leaderless ravaged kirkwall he was needed far more then to be party to that unworthy woman trying to coddle mages more.

He's a deserter of not only the order but it's templars and citizens of that city.

[Bad King]

He was probably getting tired of all the red lyrium chugging that was going on amongst the order in Kirkwall.

[AntiChri5]

It's the terms of their service.

Not enslavement.

You know what is expected of you long before you taste lyrium.

Accept it or don't.

That's what making a choice is, a life of service and lyrium or one without.

Your a soldier or not.

It's a relatively simple personal choice.

I didn't know you were an expert in Thedas law, fully aware of the exact stipulations in the contract of a Templar.

[Master Warder Z_]

He was probably getting tired of all the red lyrium chugging that was going on amongst the order in Kirkwall.

That happened because he ran off to play the nanny to a rebellion.

[raging_monkey]

Warder: Templar good, not Templar bad.

it's so clear now haha XD

[Killdren88]

It's never "fun" to watch someone go through a drug withdrawal .

The concept of Schadenfreude eludes you it seems...but it is all the more sweeter when its someone you already don't like. If Cullen is unremovable in the game, I'll be damn sure to make sure he suffers

[Master Warder Z_]

Warder: Templar good, not Templar bad.

Plenty of good people are outside of the Order.

[Boost32]

He is not only  a deserter,but a coward and a betrayer to those who he commanded.

 

He was the Knight-Commader of Kirkwall when Lambert summoned every Knight-Commander and proposed they left the Chantry to hunt down the mages, all 15 went there and all 15 agreed, so he left a war who he helped to start.

Not only that but the Red Templars started to spread trhough his rank and he did not discover it, even if Hawke is the Viscount and the Red Templars attack him,  Cullen still ignorant to the fact! Even a Hawke who went with the mages know that the templar at Kirkwall started using it, and he/she was exiled years ago, but their own Commander did not.

So he left his own subordinates to fight a war that he voted yes and to be corrupted by the Red Templars, dont know why he is the leader of the Inquistion military branch after such display of incompetence.

 

 

It's never "fun" to watch someone go through a drug withdrawal  .

 

Lyrium is not a drug, every templar knows what will happen to them and took it willingly, they to this sacrifice to protect the world from the dangers of magic, not to get high.

And Cullen withdrawl is funny because its a joke, it was handwaved for him to become a romance, do you remember the Templar in Howe's dungeon? Thats what happens to a templar with Lyrium withdrawl, not whatever joke his writer did.

[AtreiyaN7]

If he actually got discharged, then he didn't desert.

Totally different scenario.

But that's still leaving when your needed.

I'd still call him one for abandoning his duty to play storybook hero.

 

Right - because Cullen should have followed people who ultimately abandoned the Chantry and the Divine to whom they ultimately owed their fealty, in favor of a destructive war (with the added bonus of a demon impersonating Seeker Lucius corrupting all the Templars with red lyrium).

 

1. Cullen's higher duty was to Divine Justinia herself and her ideals, in my opinion.
2. I went to Therinfal to see how the quest played out on the Templar side, and I know that Lucius (the demon) had any and all Templar leaders who couldn't be corrupted and who might have put up a fight against him slaughtered.

 

I think that if Cullen had stayed, he'd be dead. And as far as I'm concerned, Cullen made a really smart career move by leaving prior to the all the crap hitting the fan. Also, based on the excerpt of his letter that was posted in here earlier, he sounds like a man who followed his conscience and resigned to help with a greater, much more important cause. It seems stupid to call someone who resigns their commission and who receives what was presumably the equivalent of an honorable discharge a deserter. He didn't leave for personal glory or to play a storybook hero; he did it because he thought he could help end a war. I didn't even romance the guy, and I still thought he was a decent fellow trying to do what was right, by and large.

[KaiserShep]

At the time that the Templars decided to just walk off to wherever, what good would one really see in following them? If they're not going to stick around and protect the people from magical shenanigans, they cease to be useful.

[Boost32]

At the time that the Templars decided to just walk off to wherever, what good would one really see in following them? If they're not going to stick around and protect the people from magical shenanigans, they cease to be useful.

The magical shenanigans were roaming off the land, the Templars were hunting them to protect the people.

 

And that's nice how people forget how Justinia betrayed the templars when she send assassins to kill them,  the templars were more than right to leave the old hag.

[The Baconer]

Seekers are outside Templar chain of command.

He could no more join her at her request then he could the Wardens.

So no.

Wouldn't that incriminate anyone who went with Lambert?

I agree with your point about Kirkwall, though.

[Master Warder Z_]

Wouldn't that incriminate anyone who went with Lambert?

After he legally dissolved the accord which according to Gaider he had the authority to do?

[The Baconer]

Also, LeeRum is totes a drug.

[The Baconer]

After he legally dissolved the accord which according to Gaider he had the authority to do?

If the Seekers are outside the chain of command as you say, then he would have no more a legitimate claim to their service than Cassandra.

But, I do not think Seekers are really outside the heirarchy.

[Boost32]

If the Seekers are outside the chain of command as you say, then he would have no more a legitimate claim to their service than Cassandra.

But, I do not think Seekers are really outside the heirarchy.

He voted yes to leave the Chantry, if he was going to leave after a few months of war, he shouldnt have voted.

[Melcolloien]

I think Cantina explained it perfectly.

 

But really, he served the Templar order, who served the Seekers, who serves the Chantry, which is led by the Divine who serves Andraste, the Maker and the people of Thedas. 

 

Cullen was recruited by not only a Seeker, who kind of is every templars boss, but the Right and Left hand of the Divine and through them the Divine herself. 

I would say that the Divine is a bit more important and higher in status than the Order. 

 

Cullen resigned after being recruited by a higher order and a higher calling. 

This after spending nearly 5 years trying to hold both Kirkwall and what was left of the Templars in Kirkwall in order. 

 

Like Cullen or hate him, but he is not a deserter. 

[Master Warder Z_]

But, I do not think Seekers are really outside the heirarchy.

Cassandra herself said they are outside of the Templar chain of command and only took power over the templars after the accord was dissolved.

[Master Warder Z_]

He voted yes to leave the Chantry, if he was going to leave after a few months of war, he shouldnt have voted.

You'd think.

[Gervaise]

The Seekers job was the police the Templars.   It said so in DA2 and is confirmed in DAI.   Cassandra admits they should have done more to stop the war by cracking down on Templar abuse, etc.   So when Cassandra turns up, says that the Divine is trying to stop the chaos and offers Cullen a job, he is really sticking to what he vowed to serve, the Chantry and the Divine.   Plus he's been recruited by a Templar overseer.   Lambert, the guy who dissolved the Accord, was in fact a Seeker, not a Templar.   If Cassandra had no authority over Templars, than neither did he. 

 

Essentially the Templar Order split, same as the mages, between those who remained loyal to the Divine (smaller group in both instances) and those who rebelled and did their own thing.   It was hinted in Asunder that whilst Lambert got a unanimous verdict, he likely had not stood for any objection and bullied everyone into taking his line.   There were other Templars in the Inquisition who joined like Cullen did.   As for the others, I was always appalled that Ser Barris and co just stood by and did nothing while one of their number punched an unarmed civilian from an organisation that they originally swore to serve.

 

If you disband the Order, then the remaining Templars who you assimilate into the Inquisition elect to follow Cullen's example and get off the lyrium.   So it would seem that it is possible to conquer the addiction but it is said to be a long and painful process.     I should imagine that poor guy in Denerim suffered so badly because he was locked in a dungeon with nothing to do except think about what he was missing.

[Br3admax]

If he actually got discharged, then he didn't desert.

Totally different scenario.

But that's still leaving when your needed.

I'd still call him one for abandoning his duty to play storybook hero.

Source that the Templates work remotely like the modern military?