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[KaiserShep]

My problem with it is that it reveals what immature, gross people gamers are. When you start "modding" the characters, you strip away the veneer of gamers wanting story/character/experience and reveal that this is all nothing more than exploitative sexual fantasy. When modded, Cassandra doesn't exist in the same way that a character in a book/movie/tv series does, she exists as sexual fantasy. You're not romancing the character, you're romancing a puppet you have taken direct control over. And that reflects on all of us. Even if you don't want it to.

 

Still waiting for my reverse ideology mod, where everyone agrees with all of my decisions.

[AresKeith]

I'm still waiting for the Mother Giselle romance mod.

But first.. There needs to be one that makes her look female. She's too manly.

 

NotBrevanu is that you?

[phaonica]

My opinion on mods like these are people can mod whatever the hell they want in their game. If you want to change character sexuality, race or something else. Go for it. I would never do it in a million years but these mod effect there games alone and not mine so I don't feel offended.

 

Agreed. If one of the characters isn't available or attractive, I say mod your broken heart out. Or write fanfic, or draw or paint or whatever. People can explore whatever What If scenarios they want to, in my opinion.

[KaiserShep]

NotBrevanu is that you?

 

Cut one head; two take its place.

 

Hail Brevanu

[krukow]

Agreed. If one of the characters isn't available or attractive, I say mod your broken heart out. Or write fanfic, or draw or paint or whatever. People can explore whatever What If scenarios they want to, in my opinion.

So then you'd support those people who mod scenes of rape? That's a perfectly possible what if scenario.


Go here if you're not sure what I mean: http://kotaku.com/th...porn-1690892332

[nightscrawl]

I'd love to see a Dorian straight mod. I'd laugh that someone with his mannerisms and personality ends up being straight. I hope the modded would add in some of those DAO/DA2 conversations where your party questions the relationship. I would be concerned for any female friends if they were with Dorian and would have an entirely separate Inquisition about this.

 
Well the thing with this is that it's just dumb. The reason being that all of the pre-written dialog would make no sense with a woman for this particular character. With some characters it doesn't matter, like Cullen (he's the only other romance I can speak to), because there really isn't any gender-specific dialog for him that I can recall.

 

But I can't imagine playing a female character, sitting naked with Dorian on the bed, and hearing him tell me about how m/m relations are viewed differently in Tevinter. Also, if you take the dialog into consideration, I think it comes across as "I'm the ONLY woman in the whole world that can turn Dorian Pavus," so in that sense it is kinda bad, especially as there are some people that actually think this way.

 

But hey, if you want your (general you, not you, London) romance to make no sense within the context of the character, have at it.

[Mihura]

So then you'd support those people who mod scenes of rape? That's a perfectly possible what if scenario.


Go here if you're not sure what I mean: http://kotaku.com/th...porn-1690892332

 

Go head people and defend this, I wan to see the "hypocrisy". It is fun and games when it is things like a armors, when it starts to be creepy....

Also I have no problem with mods, people did a hyperbole on my post. Mod whatever you want but I do no have to like the user or the creator of the mod, I draw my line at harassment but I have a right to have negative feeling about it and measuring the different mods according to my reality.

[TammieAZ]

So then you'd support those people who mod scenes of rape? That's a perfectly possible what if scenario.


Go here if you're not sure what I mean: http://kotaku.com/th...porn-1690892332

 

 

That video of Lara ..was watched 2,836,891 times and counting . (by men ..) That's crazy and sick...

[MaxQuartiroli]

So then you'd support those people who mod scenes of rape? That's a perfectly possible what if scenario.

 

Support =/= don't give a single **** about what other people do with their fictional characters

 

Everytime I see something I don't approve I just say "not for me, thanks" and then I move on

 

Did you ever read some doujinshi? I would like to see how people who overreact over a harmless game mod would react to many of them.. lol

[nightscrawl]

So then you'd support those people who mod scenes of rape? That's a perfectly possible what if scenario.


Go here if you're not sure what I mean: http://kotaku.com/th...porn-1690892332

 
There is a difference between "supporting" a mod and believing it its right to exist.
 
When it comes to the rape and/or pedophilia issue there isn't really any concrete evidence to suggest whether or not such material (non-exploitative of real persons) actually contributes to such acts being committed in real life. But if you ignore this aspect of it and just focus on the existence of said non-exploitative material, then I would believe in its right to exist no matter how gross I think it is.

 

That said, I don't think its quite fair to continue to use such extreme examples for the sole purpose of goading "mod supporters" into saying that they would not in fact "support" a certain type of mod and then declare victory based on that.

[PlasmaCheese]

These topics are always funny because when people go "HAH, you say 'mod whatever you want but what about (insert thing)'?! But y'all aren't even naming the worst mods out there, especially for games like Skyrim.

People can add whatever they want to their games, imo. I'll stick to my immersion and armor mods and skip off into the sunset. If I am unfortunate enough to even come across some of the more....creative...mods, I just X out and apply mind bleach, then go on with my day.

[nightscrawl]

... I just X out and apply mind bleach, then go on with my day.

I wish we really did have mind bleach for some things =/.

[phaonica]

So then you'd support those people who mod scenes of rape? That's a perfectly possible what if scenario.


Go here if you're not sure what I mean: http://kotaku.com/th...porn-1690892332

 

Yes. You don't need mods to commit wrong and/or illegal acts in many games. If evidence shows that games don't create murderers, then they don't create rapists either.

[PlasmaCheese]

I wish we really did have mind bleach for some things =/.

Jeez, me too. The internet has shown more than I ever needed or wanted to see.

 

Edit: http://mindbleach.orgxD The sad part is that, after awhile, I start suspecting some horrible image will show up. (It never does)

[DirkJake]

Is there a bi Cullen one as well?

 

yes.

[Dai Grepher]

I'm still waiting for the Mother Giselle romance mod.

But first.. There needs to be one that makes her look female. She's too manly.

 

And too black.
 

[David Gaider]

For what it's worth, I'll throw my two cents into this topic -- some people, after all, seem to take the "insult to the creators" stand when opposing a mod like this, and ever since I tweeted that I welcomed the mod's return, I've received a fair bit of "I can't believe you would do that!" comments as well.

 

The way I see it, it's a bit like the concept of free speech.

 

I may not support what you have to say, I may even be vehemently opposed to it, but I support your right to say it.

 

So either I support the right of fans to take my characters and create their own versions of them -- whether it be in a mod, in a piece of fanfiction, or in fan art -- or I don't. Period. Anything else would be hypocritical.

 

And I do support their right to do so. What they create doesn't change the characters I made -- they will continue to exist as they are now, and aren't impacted one iota. Cassandra will continue to be straight, Dorian will continue to be gay, etc. etc.

 

Now, like free speech, having the right to make whatever kind of mod you like doesn't mean you are free from consequences. You are going to receive negative feedback from people who don't think anyone should want the kind of mod you're making -- but I don't think that negative feedback elevating to the level of harassment comes anywhere near the level of "appropriate consequence". I was angered by the harassment of the mod maker in the same manner I'd be angered by a book burning or a witch hunt against "evil pornography" or anything similar...and, yes, it is the same thing. Everyone who does that feels correct and self-righteous when they do it. That's the nature of a witch hunt.

 

So I support the right of any modder to go in and alter Cassandra or Dorian or whoever else to their heart's content, if that's what they want. Obviously I'd prefer they enjoyed the characters as we created them, but that doesn't matter. Change their appearance, change their sexuality, change their story, their ethnicity, whatever kind of headcanon you'd prefer.

 

That indicates neither my support nor endorsement of the content, but regardless of that I am not offended by its existence. Cassandra certainly is not, even if she could be. Hell, if it was fanfiction, she'd probably read it.

[AresKeith]

Hell, if it was fanfiction, she'd probably read it.

 

As long as it isn't Twilight

 

[Mihura]

As long as it isn't Twilight

 

 

I would not be surprised at this point really.

[Robert Cousland]

As long as it isn't Twilight

 

 

Or the Kili and Tauriel romance from the Hobbit. *Shudder*

[AWTEW]

SJW's are the worst sexists of all.

 

I know, and the worst racists too.

 

As a straight female who likes short hair (fauxhawks RULE), I couldn't agree more.

 

Urrgh it's so annoying!! When someone I knew, had all of their hair shaved off for cancer and it was growing back, (it was about the same as cass) people would tend to look at her strange, assume she was gay,  ect. When she told them she wasn't, they would be like 'yeah right..' (even if they didn't say it, the expression was all over there face).  Because of those experiences, when the cass mod came out, she said something about the mod upsetting her and: she was imidiatly considered 'invalid' and coped abuse from tumblr and LJ.

[Robert Cousland]

I know, and the worst racists too.

 

 

Urrgh it's so annoying!! When someone I knew, had all of their hair shaved off for cancer and it was growing back, (it was about the same as cass) people would tend to look at her strange, assume she was gay,  ect. When she told them she wasn't, they would be like 'yeah right..' (even if they didn't say it, the expression was all over there face).  Because of those experiences, when the cass mod came out, she said something about the mod, upsetting her, and:she was imidiatly considered 'invalid' and coped abuse from tumblr and LJ.

 

Nothing wrong with short hair, as the stunningly beautiful Zelda Williams proves.