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[Rhaine]

i mean seriously... i want to play them to get the dragon weapons for them but I cant help but feel like a burden.

[nibyl]

You don't need to play a certain class to get weapons for them. And they are certainly not useless if the player is not.

[DrKilledbyDeath]

Legos are useful.

 

Smooth dragon perilous run (aside from a dead assassin) the dragon is a couple hits from dying and something goes wrong, I die, the elementalist dies. Luckily the lego is a beast and picks us both back up before he can be killed and we finished no problem.

[F_e_princess]

Virtuoso have kind of made tanks less useful since squishy dps now have constant barrier spam. 

[Rhaine]

You don't need to play a certain class to get weapons for them. And they are certainly not useless if the player is not.

 

it feels like playing certain class increases droprate though unless my rng rly is strange.

 

I played mostly duelist and got 3 daggers, i then played reaver and avvar and got two mauls of the dragons.

 

It may be a coincidence, maybe not =P.

 

Oh and i should change the word useless to, much less effective than most every other class

[Drasca]

Absolutely not. In fact, I made a Lego build specificaly for FC: Castle Brawler

Shield Bash, Payback Strike, Walking Fortress, To the Death

http://da-skills.net...1,001D1,011,1,0

 

From my builds here:

http://forum.bioware...rite-mp-builds/

 

Perfect for wading through those giant mob packs with ease, and slaying down that dragon.

 

Templar's W/P combo is already perfect for mobbing, while her shield wall works just fine taking on the dragon.

 

Level 11

Spell Purge, Shield wall, Blessed Blades, Wrath of Heaven

http://da-skills.net...100,010,000,0,0

 

Belinda Nukem

--Wrath Purge Spam all day, every 10-15 seconds

http://da-skills.net...100,010,010,0,0

[capn233]

I was in a random game yesterday where I was a keeper, there was a virtuoso, a necro and a templar.  Templar was far from useless when units were pulled into a door and hit with static cage, walking bomb and wrath of heaven.

 

The dragon encounter didn't go so well, but the main map went pretty smoothly.

 

Most classes aren't so hot there if the strategy is to run into the exposed areas and hang out where the 1000 archers and the dragon continually rain crap on you.

[SabreTastic]

I think that is what leads to some 'renegade behavior' on FC as it's often the warriors in the party (my experience) who break cover and get themselves killed in Zone 4. I can understand being frustrated if the ranged won't break LoS to let the enemies ball up in the doorway (but as a barrier class, what am I supposed to do? Stop throwing up barrier and let them get killed? Still haven't worked out my feelings on that one, most people don't take me seriously when I stand in the corner and say 'Group up/Get together and strike a pose!'), but it's not exactly sunshine and fluffy kittens when they charge all heroically up the stairs, take sixteen arrows to the face, and die in a fire puddle either.

[Drasca]

 Stop throwing up barrier and let them get killed?

 

Yes, if you're communicating through voice and they're not responding. Only way to make them take you seriously is to let them die.

 

 

 it's not exactly sunshine and fluffy kittens when they charge all heroically up the stairs take sixteen arrows to the face

 

Problem is they suck. They should dodge and weave, and charge just as heroically back down back out of LoS in order to lure the enemy out.

 

Katari Charge in, Mighty Blow, Combat Roll out!

[Rhaine]

Absolutely not. In fact, I made a Lego build specificaly for FC: Castle Brawler

Shield Bash, Payback Strike, Walking Fortress, To the Death

http://da-skills.net...1,001D1,011,1,0

 

From my builds here:

http://forum.bioware...rite-mp-builds/

 

Perfect for wading through those giant mob packs with ease, and slaying down that dragon.

 

Templar's W/P combo is already perfect for mobbing, while her shield wall works just fine taking on the dragon.

 

Level 11

Spell Purge, Shield wall, Blessed Blades, Wrath of Heaven

http://da-skills.net...100,010,000,0,0

 

Belinda Nukem

--Wrath Purge Spam all day, every 10-15 seconds

http://da-skills.net...100,010,010,0,0

Lol i think as templar spamming horn of valour would be more effective than just about anything else they could do in castle

 

Which is what I do, spam horn, occasions use the nuke combo and take shield bash for those rare events. Still think it would be better as another class.

 

As for legionnaire, to the death, ok, dragon will die faster. Thats about all the legionnaire brings. I guerentee the run will be longer anyway because every stage apart from the last will be longer without just taking another damage dealer instead of the legionnaire.

 

As for the added defence of both these classes? largely uneeded.

[lJustAlexl]

I think the OP is suggesting that other classes can more easily conquer Perilous alone or support their team in a more apparent fashion. That doesn't seem like that crazy a concept to me.

 

I mean when you've got Virtuoso that can make your entire team invincible damage dealing monsters with little effort, promotions, or equipment...that 1H warrior doesn't look as attractive. If it's a critique on game design, I have to agree with him, the classes aren't that well balanced.

 

That said, weaknesses in class design can be compensated with proper builds, gear, and promotions (see Avvar).

[Rhaine]

I think the OP is suggesting that other classes can more easily conquer Perilous alone or support their team in a more apparent fashion. That doesn't seem like that crazy a concept to me.

 

I mean when you've got Virtuoso that can make your entire team invincible damage dealing monsters with little effort, promotions, or equipment...that 1H warrior doesn't look as attractive. If it's a critique on game design, I have to agree with him, the classes aren't that well balanced.

 

That said, weaknesses in class design can be compensated with proper builds, gear, and promotions (see Avvar).

Haha this exactly, i tend to be overdramatic. Its not that they are useless, just that what they bring to the table is not as valuable as what other classes bring to the table.

[yarpenthemad21]

My fastest runs are mostly those with mages, some archer and those with one good AW.
There is something in those spawns on ferelden that you can in theory stand in spot and damage enemies from distance for long time. But you can also set AW at front, block some spawn points and from my experience do it faster. If templar or lego can do this AW work at front it's good, if they can't no point of him standing near ranged party members.
Still I've had nice runs with Katari and Avvar in the role of this "front man" and they both were very good at it.

[Drasca]

Lol i think as templar spamming horn of valour would be more effective than just about anything else they could do in castle

 

Which is what I do, spam horn,

 

You have no clue what a Templar can really do. Do I really need to record myself solo'ing Perilous FC as a Templar too?

[mmmidnight]

Lol i think as templar spamming horn of valour would be more effective than just about anything else they could do in castle

Which is what I do, spam horn, occasions use the nuke combo and take shield bash for those rare events. Still think it would be better as another class.

As for legionnaire, to the death, ok, dragon will die faster. Thats about all the legionnaire brings. I guerentee the run will be longer anyway because every stage apart from the last will be longer without just taking another damage dealer instead of the legionnaire.

As for the added defence of both these classes? largely uneeded.

[mmmidnight]

The Lego brings shield bash to break guard. Fortress to pick up the squishy dpsers when they take wing damage from dragon and counterstrike to use on the little dragons not to mention to the death which helps the squishy high dpsers. He's the best in any fight handsdown

[DrKilledbyDeath]

Also keep in mind you can't fight the dragon if you don't reach the dragon, a good lego will get you there.

[Rhaine]

You have no clue what a Templar can really do. Do I really need to record myself solo'ing Perilous FC as a Templar too?

Im not talking about solo though, im talking about being part of a group to take down perilous efficiently.

 

Show me a vid of templar in a group situation on castle (in perilous) earning its 4th spot, doing something unique that cant be outdone by other classes. I know your prob at the point with gear and promotions that every class is viable, im just suggesting some classes are much more viable in the castle map in a group than others.

[LearnedHand]

"Efficiency" will always dictate some classes over others. So what? Its a video game.

 

In any case, I love playing lego in FC for these reasons:

 

1) Being the last man standing when everyone else has faded (only pugs really).

 

2) Fighting on the stairs on stage 4 to give you that epic feeling of battling uphill, step by step.

 

3) Bouncing dragon fireballs and frostballs off your shield like you are playing pong.

 

4) Doing a shield bash when the dragon armors up for 20-30k damage or up.

[Drasca]

Im not talking about solo though, im talking about being part of a group to take down perilous efficiently.

 

Show me a vid of templar in a group situation on castle (in perilous) earning its 4th spot, doing something unique that cant be outdone by other classes. I know your prob at the point with gear and promotions that every class is viable, im just suggesting some classes are much more viable in the castle map in a group than others.

 

Group efficiency depends on group teamwork. Pugs are inherently inefficient because they aren't required to communicate & coordinate, thus little to no teamwork. In a good group setting, Templar can wombo combo faster than any other class behind LoS.

 

Group video is even easier to make, but harder to demonstrate the Templar's awesomeness. You'll see critics cry about hiding behind barrier. The smart ones will see arrow dodging, good positioning and timing, proper LoS'ing, appropriate blocking, and lots of W/P combos

 

I'm at the point of knowing how to play every class with / without gear/promotes effectively both solo and a group. While some are better than others, Templar's at the upper end of the tier. It is, like all high tier classes, behind a L2P wall, and gear wall to excel into top exp contributing slot. There are a few classes situationally that kill entire groups faster, but not many, and not all the time.

 

 

My fastest runs are mostly those with mages, some archer and those with one good AW.
There is something in those spawns on ferelden that you can in theory stand in spot and damage enemies from distance for long time. But you can also set AW at front, block some spawn points and from my experience do it faster. If templar or lego can do this AW work at front it's good, if they can't no point of him standing near ranged party members.
Still I've had nice runs with Katari and Avvar in the role of this "front man" and they both were very good at it.

 

Yarp's good, but he hasn't seen top tier play from the 2H Warriors completely stealing all kills before even archer can even LS. AW's, archers, and most mages (necro's excepted) have worse aoe burst damage capabilities.

 

Basically when my team's warriors are at the helm, we're constantly waiting for and hunting down spawns, as they're far exceedingly slower than our kill rate.

 

Yarp is welcome to come play in my games if he's on Origin / PC though.

[Drasca]

4) Doing a shield bash when the dragon armors up for 20-30k damage or up.

 

Better yet, TTD SB -> PBS for bwahahahahaha damage. Just alternate spamming your attack buttons over, and over...

[LearnedHand]

Better yet, TTD SB -> PBS for bwahahahahaha damage. Just alternate spamming your attack buttons over, and over...

 

 

Haven't tried this yet, hmm.

 

But you think TTD is more useful than counterstrike?

[Drasca]

But you think TTD is more useful than counterstrike?

 

Yes I do. BW 'fixed' aka nerfed CS so that archer fire doesn't get countered by it. Plus, you know, dragon hunting.

[lJustAlexl]

"Efficiency" will always dictate some classes over others. So what? Its a video game.

 

That seems an odd statement to make since even the devs acknowledged that the classes need to be tweaked. Weekly balance patches and all. The fact that it's a video game that can be patched should reinforce some player's desire for change.

[yarpenthemad21]

Yarp's good, but he hasn't seen top tier play from the 2H Warriors completely stealing all kills before even archer can even LS. AW's, archers, and most mages (necro's excepted) have worse aoe burst damage capabilities.
 
Basically when my team's warriors are at the helm, we're constantly waiting for and hunting down spawns, as they're far exceedingly slower than our kill rate.
 
Yarp is welcome to come play in my games if he's on Origin / PC though.

I've just seen 2h warriors in action. Before it was 1 mostly in party. Now one mate was playing virtuoso, other guys katari and reaver. I was "out" of mages ready for dragon hunt and I've taken Skywatcher
I think it was one of the fastest run I've ever had. And skywatcher, this class is so much freaking fun.
Still I won't go there with Skywatcher without some solid barrier source. Full guard is one shot from pretty much even golden nug if it could attack. Without barrier I need even "serious" approach to kill stupid baby dragons. It's pretty much ridiculous that I can dance around dragon for ages without even being close to get hit but those baby dragon and their random behavior makes them hard. Best is PotA on them because they freak out flying around the place and end always on your ass when PotA ends.

As for the playing together. I'm on pc, EU.
id: yarpen21