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[8olimpia8]

In the quest Dorian says that "*he* taught him to hate blood magic"...
I know it's kind of a stupid question, but I really wonder if it has been revealed? Or any ideas?

[Boost32]

His father.

[coldwetn0se]

In the quest Dorian says that "*he* taught him to hate blood magic"...
I know it's kind of a stupid question, but I really wonder if it has been revealed? Or any ideas?

He's referring to how his father had taught him to hate blood magic, then proceeded to attempt its use on him (Dorian), to "change" his sexual preference.

[8olimpia8]

Thanks. Gosh, I can't believe I didn't understand that (facepalm)

[nightscrawl]

Thanks. Gosh, I can't believe I didn't understand that (facepalm)

 

Meh, he is right in his father's face when he's saying that, but is actually talking to the Inquisitor. So I can see the reason for confusion. However, I do believe that it's clarified a bit when you're back at Skyhold and pick the investigate option to ask what happened.

[X Equestris]

Yeah, it's his father. That's another part of the reason Dorian has issues with his father. He claimed it was a tool for the weak, but when it suited his purposes, he was perfectly willing to consider using it on his own son, even though he knew it might not even work.

[Cee]

Yeah, it's his father. That's another part of the reason Dorian has issues with his father. He claimed it was a tool for the weak, but when it suited his purposes, he was perfectly willing to consider using it on his own son, even though he knew it might not even work.

 

And worse, that it might leave his son in a terrible state and yet he was willing to try anyway. It's not exactly a profound message of pride and love in that decision.

[Master Warder Z_]

And worse, that it might leave his son in a terrible state and yet he was willing to try anyway. It's not exactly a profound message of pride and love in that decision.

And Dorian not doing his own familial duty to his house isn't exactly a message of dedication , loyalty or patriotism.

[Xilizhra]

And Dorian not doing his own familial duty to his house isn't exactly a message of dedication , loyalty or patriotism.

It's not a required function of any given human to be dedicated to a nation or a familial legacy, but it is a required function of parents to love their children.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's not a required function of any given human to be dedicated to a nation or a familial legacy

It was for many centuries to actually be just that if you were nobility or you wouldn't stay nobility.

Deviance was usually tolerated assuming you did your job right but marriage and social obligations were something you accept as being a noble.

How is this even debatable.

It's how feudalistic nobility worked.

You marry for social positions and alliance.

You work so your children are in position to assume their responsibilities and do the same in a dynasty that persists throughout history.

It's the expectation of being nobility.

[Xilizhra]

It was for many centuries to actually be just that if you were nobility or you wouldn't stay nobility.

Deviance was usually tolerated assuming you did your job right but marriage and social obligations were something you accept as being a noble.

How is this even debatable.

It's how feudalistic nobility worked.

You marry for social positions and alliance.

You work so your children are in position to assume their responsibilities and do the same in a dynasty that persists throughout history.

It's the expectation of being nobility.

I'm pretty sure Dorian didn't really care about whether he remained noble or not.

 

In any case, if Dorian reconciles with his father, Halward can probably smooth over Dorian's prior indiscretions, so Dorian can engage in whatever his work is to improve Tevinter without having to get married.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hopefully Tevinter retains some semblance of it's former self and he gets shanked in a alley.

I'm pretty sick of how cultural warp keeps happening to suit narrative premise.

At least let the immoral mage slavers remain immoral mage slavers.

[Xilizhra]

Hopefully Tevinter retains some semblance of it's former self and he gets shanked in a alley.

I'm pretty sick of how cultural warp keeps happening to suit narrative premise.

At least let the immoral mage slavers remain immoral mage slavers.

I'm sure Caladrius, Hadriana and Danarius haven't been affected by any whitewashing treatment; the immoral mage slaves we've seen thus far will indeed remain such.

[Master Warder Z_]

Give it a game.

Soon slavery will be a illegal practice in Tevinter only practiced by a handful of magisters

[Xilizhra]

Give it a game.

Soon slavery will be a illegal practice in Tevinter only practiced by a handful of magisters

Attempting to bring that about is one more reason why I'd rather have played Inquisition as Calpernia.

[Master Warder Z_]

Attempting to bring that about is one more reason why I'd rather have played Inquisition as Calpernia.

Eww.

Her accent and teeth!

And skin...

And hair.

And stupidity...

And ineptitude...

And sheer failure as a leader.

[Xilizhra]

Eww.

Her accent and teeth!

And skin...

And hair.

And stupidity...

And ineptitude...

And sheer failure as a leader.

I can't directly attest to any of this due to my inability to actually see her in the game, but everything important could be alleviated by roleplaying.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

It was for many centuries to actually be just that if you were nobility or you wouldn't stay nobility.

Deviance was usually tolerated assuming you did your job right but marriage and social obligations were something you accept as being a noble.

How is this even debatable.

It's how feudalistic nobility worked.

You marry for social positions and alliance.

You work so your children are in position to assume their responsibilities and do the same in a dynasty that persists throughout history.

It's the expectation of being nobility.

 

Because you're operating under the assumption that Dorian cares about retaining his nobility.

[Master Warder Z_]

Because you're operating under the assumption that Dorian cares about retaining his nobility.

Then he shouldn't go back.

[Xilizhra]

Then he shouldn't go back.

He probably no longer has to marry to retain it, and can make use of it.

[Master Warder Z_]

He probably no longer has to marry to retain it, and can make use of it.

Or maybe he will just be disowned.

[Xilizhra]

Or maybe he will just be disowned.

I don't know if it's possible to actually engineer that, but it's something I'll never have to worry about.

[leadintea]

I have to agree with MWZ. I really didn't like how Dorian abandoned his family and his legacy just because he was gay. I mean, he could have easily sired an heir to keep up his family name then gone off his way. Dorian only cares about Dorian and no one else. He complains so much about his disappointment in his father, yet he never even thinks about his father's own feelings at all and he makes his entire family situation only about him. Personally I would've loved to have reprimanded Dorian for his behavior, but I guess Bioware was concerned about it appearing homophobic even though that's not the case. I mean, you can force Alistair to be king of Fereldan even though he doesn't want it and no one bats an eyelash, yet you can't call Dorian out for abandoning his family for fear of being called homophobic even though it's entirely about his family's legacy and not his sexuality? This is one of many examples in DAI that many criticize for sterilizing the series. And I say all of this as a proud gay man.

[Xilizhra]

I have to agree with MWZ. I really didn't like how Dorian abandoned his family and his legacy just because he was gay. I mean, he could have easily sired an heir to keep up his family name then gone off his way. Dorian only cares about Dorian and no one else. He complains so much about his disappointment in his father, yet he never even thinks about his father's own feelings at all and he makes his entire family situation only about him. Personally I would've loved to have reprimanded Dorian for his behavior, but I guess Bioware was concerned about it appearing homophobic even though that's not the case. I mean, you can force Alistair to be king of Fereldan even though he doesn't want it and no one bats an eyelash, yet you can't call Dorian out for abandoning his family for fear of being called homophobic even though it's entirely about his family's legacy and not his sexuality? This is one of many examples in DAI that many criticize for sterilizing the series. And I say all of this as a proud gay man.

His father was going to warp his mind to force him into a legacy; I don't think Halward deserves any sympathy.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I have to agree with MWZ. I really didn't like how Dorian abandoned his family and his legacy just because he was gay. I mean, he could have easily sired an heir to keep up his family name then gone off his way. Dorian only cares about Dorian and no one else. He complains so much about his disappointment in his father, yet he never even thinks about his father's own feelings at all and he makes his entire family situation only about him. Personally I would've loved to have reprimanded Dorian for his behavior, but I guess Bioware was concerned about it appearing homophobic even though that's not the case. I mean, you can force Alistair to be king of Fereldan even though he doesn't want it and no one bats an eyelash, yet you can't call Dorian out for abandoning his family for fear of being called homophobic even though it's entirely about his family's legacy and not his sexuality? This is one of many examples in DAI that many criticize for sterilizing the series. And I say all of this as a proud gay man.

 

Are you planning on marrying a woman and having children to carry one your family's legacy? The crux of this argument is that Dorian is required to value a family legacy when that's not true. My parents would prefer I be straight, but I'm not required to share their values about that. Dorian can value whatever he wants to value and apparently sacrificing his own dignity for a father who was willing to lobotomize him is not something he values.