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[KaiserShep]

I'm curious about the "political correctness" distinction, because I don't recall Origins really going much in the opposite direction of Inquisition, unless pressuring Bella for that kiss in exchange for helping her counts.

[DanniloSan]

See...That is the problem with the Dragon Age Franchise...Bioware can't please their fans...Why is that?If you campare the 3 Dragon Age games...They are very different of each other,one is more tatical,another is more action and the last is more about visuals...3 diferent games that are supposed to be sequels...

I'm not saying about the Story and Lore,that is 99% constant...And I'm not saying that changes are bad,i'm saying that extreme changes are...

I played Dragon Age Origins and loved it,then I started playing DA II and...Wow,that's not the same thing!I'm not saying that Dragon Age II is bad,no,I'm only saying that when you have an sucessfull game,in the sequel you keep and improve the good things,and add some new ones,but keeping the essence of what make the last one good...So each game choose a different way,with different audiences...So that's why people love Origins,Hate Inquisition and also the contrary...Bioware needs focus,they want to make RPGs or Hack and Slash?Narrative oriented games or Hybrid Action/RPG...

That's why there so much discussions in the foruns...

 

"Bring my Warden back..." "No,he is dead,deal with it..." "Why my Hawke hates Blood magic?" "My Warden was a Blood Mage..." "Why the Inquisitor wear pajammas?!"

[Bioware-Critic]

Two letters.  E A.

 

EA thinks that all of its games are too hard.

EA thinks all games should have multiplayer.

 

Basically EA is catering to the low attention span of the Call of Duty people.  Dragon Age is made for more mature people with higher attention span, people who are around 30, not 13.  As a result it is outside EAs target market.

 

You have to remember EA loves microtransactions, and it has a reputation for aggressively targetting the young casual market.  It is easier to convince a 15 year old with little finincial experince to part with their money then it is someone who is 35.  At that age they have not yet learned the value of money or how to handle it.  So if you are an unethical company only interested in money you want to make a crappy multiplayer game filled with bugs and sell it to a 15 year old.  Then you fill it with microtransactions and patch it up later (possibly for a fee).  Basically because a 35 year old has the life experience to know you are ripping them off, a 15 year old does not.  Not to mention a 15 year old would probably be more willing to buy it because of the hype or it "being cool", which in a nutshell is EAs marketting strategy.

 

So why do they not make one?

 

Because its EA.

EA has questionable business practices.

EA targets the younger casual crowd, who are more liekly to tolerate such practices.

The older crowds would not tolerate such practices, and therefore EA does not care about them.

DAO was made for older crowds.

 

THIS! 

 

EA doesn't care about the quality of the single player at all! 

They just know that development time is the enemy. So ... 

[Aren]

Why doesn't Bioware make Dragon Age Origins 2?

Because EA is more interested in advertising rather than feedback.

lead them or fall , lead them or fall, fall Bioware we are all fallen with DAI.

[dsl08002]

I have always thought that DAO was an old school RPG and they wanted to move away from it, but resent event in my own occupation have given me a new perspective. It could be like the supervisor of the game could be a businessman with no interest in games whatsoever only interested in making money.

[CronoDragoon]

I have always thought that DAO was an old school RPG and they wanted to move away from it, but resent event in my own occupation have given me a new perspective. It could be like the supervisor of the game could be a businessman with no interest in games whatsoever only interested in making money.

 

Implicit in this assumption is that a whole lot more people are interested in games like Inquisition than games like Origins.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Now I'm not a huge fan of EA but for those of you insisting that Origins somehow had more integrity than Inquisition because of EA, just a small reminder that DA:O was released in 2009 while EA acquired Bioware in 2007. That's right two whole years of game creation under the EA flag.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm curious about the "political correctness" distinction, because I don't recall Origins really going much in the opposite direction of Inquisition, unless pressuring Bella for that kiss in exchange for helping her counts.

I'll bite.  I don't think that DA:I is politically correct at all, but from what I've been reading, this is where the "PC" thing is coming from, at least in part.  This is what I consider the somewhat more reasonable stance.  DA:I is more politically correct than Origins due to the following:

 

1) No gore function.

2) No finishing moves.

3) You can't kill the child of a lord (Connor.) 

4) You can't get two children possessed.  

5) You can't slaughter an entire elf clan.

6) Pretty much the entirety of the Broodmother segment.

7) Fighting through the Siege of Denerium to get to the Archdemon versus Cory.  I do think Cory's final confrontation was sterile and boring by comparison.

8) Showing on-screen torture in a couple of notable cases (The Broken Circle quest and Fort Drakkon come to mind.)

 

While I don't agree, I can at least respect where some folks might be coming from.

 

 

Then there is the other part, which I personally find incredibly ignorant.  I'm glad that it's not very common and only a loud handful are like this, but I can't help but sadly chuckle when I read crap like this:

 

1) "No hot women because of the feminists/gays/BioWare hates straight guys."

2) "Eww, Krem."

3) "Stupid feminists made us have crappy hair.*" 

4) "No brothels because of Sliced Juicy Watermelons Social Justice Warriors!"

5) See above, only "no desire demons."

6) "I have gay friends, but Dorian's personal quest is too far!"

7) "Why aren't there enough strong male NPCs?"

 

 

_{* For those that like to spout that bit of idiocy, most feminists that I've talked on the forums are pretty unhappy about that.  Myself included.}

[TheOgre]

For the people who absolutely despise Origins, and for those who absolutely love Origins -- Aren't you all afraid of DAO2 being another unsatisfying experience? Just accept that DA has devolved or evolved depending on which side you are on the debate, too much from what O was. Wait until DA4 comes out, and wait to buy it. Watch gameplay footage, give people time to analyze the game before you support the franchise.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Basically a copy and paste of the same game with different names.

I'd probably really enjoy that.

DAO was brilliant.

But so is DAI.

[AresKeith]

For the people who absolutely despise Origins, and for those who absolutely love Origins -- Aren't you all afraid of DAO2 being another unsatisfying experience? Just accept that DA has devolved or evolved depending on which side you are on the debate, too much from what O was. Wait until DA4 comes out, and wait to buy it. Watch gameplay footage, give people time to analyze the game before you support the franchise.

 

This is the part that I honestly don't get, why should the other games be like Origins

 

The DA was always about the events that happen within it, none of that says it has to be exactly like the way Origins was. Now in terms of gameplay some could argue it's Bioware trying find a mixture of action oriented and tactical, I think that's a good thing imo and DAI was a step in the right direction but obviously needs improvement 

[Grieving Natashina]

I've been thinking about it some over the last few days.  Most games, even with big franchises, change up at least some of the mechanics and gameplay between games.  Barring that, they usually attempt to go for the best mix of old and new that they find.  Except for some franchises like the endless sequels to CoD and the constant stream of steadily watered-down AC games, I'm used to seeing some changes from game to game.

 

A good example of this is Final Fantasy.  They never really used the exact same combat system twice.

 

FF1--Player-selected set classes, with only black or white magic to choose from (or red mage, which did a bit of both;) job change after you get the rat tail

FF2--Threw all of that out the window for skill grinding while in combat.  If you use shields a lot, you'll get skills in shields, ect.

FF3--They introduced the first job class system, with about a dozen to choose from

FF4--Back to set classes, but introduced summon creatures.  There was also party members with developer selected classes for the first time.  For example, Rydia is always a summoner no matter what, Rose always a white mage, ect.

FF5--Back to the job system again, but this time gained via plot MacGuffin shards.  There was also some never-before-seen classes like Geomancer and Beastmaster that were not used later.  Others, like Mime, would be seen again for party members with set classes.

FF6--Back to set classes, but with more abilities such as Blitz and classes like Pictomancer.  Spells were learned from Espers and summons could be used once per battle.

FF7--More of a job system with a twist.  The Materia was a way of grinding and customizing your spells and skills.

FF8--Had the Draw and Junction system, where the player drew magic from the mobs (or used a special item) to attach to their stats.

FF9--Very close to FF4, only now certain items you equip could teach you different skills.  Summons were back out. 

FF10--Again, similar to FF4, only you could now switch out party members in combat.  Summons could be used as controllable party members.

FF10-2--Went back to the job system, used via the dress spheres.  Summons were back out in place of special Dress Spheres and you could change classes mid-combat (really handy.)

FF12--They created the License Board as a means of gaining armor and weapon skills.  Also, they tossed out the old fashioned turn based combat for the first time and had a more open world environment.  They also introduced the Gambit system as a semi-automated form of fighting.

FF13--Paradigms were introduced as a terrible means of the job system.  It was also more like FF12, with a mix of menu and real-time combat, with 10-2's ability to change classes mid-combat (not as handy here, as all the classes tend to be rather samey.)

 

That's just the surface stuff, and that's just their main games that aren't MMOs.  The point is that game companies are always looking for new ways to tweak and change their existing combat design.  BioWare isn't any different.  I think that they did better than they did in Origins (do the shuffle!) or in DA2 (press the Awesome Button to win,) but I know they will keep playing with the idea.  For the most part, I'm not sure if developers are always 100% satisfied with an existing combat system.  Unless they have to crank out yearly sequels, then they rarely change much.

[Zoimos]

I would love to see Origins 2, but I think EA/Bioware has a completely different idea to what that means!

[TheOgre]

This is the part that I honestly don't get, why should the other games be like Origins

 

The DA was always about the events that happen within it, none of that says it has to be exactly like the way Origins was. Now in terms of gameplay some could argue it's Bioware trying find a mixture of action oriented and tactical, I think that's a good thing imo and DAI was a step in the right direction but obviously needs improvement 

 

CANNOT answer that for everyone but for me, It's why I liked the series, why wouldn't I want them to be similar?

[suirazul]

ATTENTION POSTERS,

 

Make a pledge with me.

 

Keep this thread alive for 365 days starting from now. I want Bioware to have to look at this thread and accept the fact that we want Dragon Age Origins II.

 

Chances are it may get locked, since Bioware hates it's old self, but we can try.

 

Bioware, if we get Dragon Age Origins II, please do not let David Gaider or any feminists touch it (no offense, please don't take this personally).  No offense to him, but he's changed into a politician. I'm not a fan of politicians. *hugs Mr. Gaider* There seems to be too much demand for censoring content instead of offering equal content.

[AresKeith]

ATTENTION POSTERS,

 

Make a pledge with me.

 

Keep this thread alive for 365 days starting from now. I want Bioware to have to look at this thread and accept the fact that we want Dragon Age Origins II.

 

Chances are it may get locked, since Bioware hates it's old self, but we can try.

 

Bioware, if we get Dragon Age Origins II, please do not let David Gaider or any feminists touch it (no offense, please don't take this personally).  No offense to him, but he's changed into a politician. I'm not a fan of politicians. *hugs Mr. Gaider*

 

Implying a pledge is gonna mean something on a forum

[Grieving Natashina]

Fans make me laugh.

 

http://forum.bioware...o-baldurs-gate/

http://forum.bioware...r-than-origins/

http://forum.bioware...r-than-origins/

 

Never change guys, never change.  

 

 

Oh and David Gaider does not write for Dragon Age as of February or so.  BioWare is working on a new game series and he's off to help build the world for it.

[suirazul]

Oh and David Gaider does not write for Dragon Age as of February or so.  BioWare is working on a new game series and he's off to help build the world for it.

 

I respect DG so much for Dragon Age Origins, but I hate to say this, his new political approach just doesn't sit well with me.

 

Do you guys think I'm wrong in regards to this?

[In Exile]

Fans make me laugh.

 

http://forum.bioware...o-baldurs-gate/

http://forum.bioware...r-than-origins/

http://forum.bioware...r-than-origins/

 

Never change guys, never change.  

 

 

Oh and David Gaider does not write for Dragon Age as of February or so.  BioWare is working on a new game series and he's off to help build the world for it.

 

Oh, that's amazing. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh, that's amazing. 

It made me chuckle.  

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

ATTENTION POSTERS,

 

Those are big letters. You have my attention.

 

Make a pledge with me.

 

No.

 

Keep this thread alive for 365 days starting from now.

 

Not really under anyone's control, for a wide variety of reasons (I'll guess you're pretty new here or else you'd already know this.)

 

I want Bioware to have to look at this thread and accept the fact that we want Dragon Age Origins II.

 

Except that would end being a step backwards, sideways, and involve a leap off the deep end of continuity. DA:O is my favourite game of the series, and one of my two favourite BioWare games, but even I don't want them to do something dumb like "DA:O 2."  At this point, it doesn't even make sense for them to.

 

Chances are it may get locked

 

Why would you assume that? What kind of thing do you think you're saying that would get it locked?

 

since Bioware hates it's old self

 

Oh, I see. Yes, passive-aggressive insults have been known to get threads locked. Of course, you could always refrain from doing that, since you want to "pledge to keep the thread open." Kind of makes sense not to pointlessly throw shade at the company from whom you are technically asking for something.

 

Bioware, if we get Dragon Age Origins II, please do not let David Gaider or any feminists touch it

 

Didn't you just say that you wanted to keep the thread open? You seem to be passing Eccentric avenue and wandering into loopy neighborhood.

 

(no offense, please don't take this personally)

 

By naming him personally, you are by definition making it personal.

 

 

No offense to him, but he's changed into a politician. I'm not a fan of politicians. *hugs Mr. Gaider*

 

No offense to you, but this is nosediving fast into a really weird post that makes no sense.

 

There seems to be too much demand for censoring content instead of offering equal content.

 

And this... makes no sense whatsoever.

 

I can't even remember what you were asking for, anymore. Good luck keeping your pledge alive (you appear to need it) but I hope BioWare just goes forward with whatever they had originally planned next for Dragon Age. I'll either like it, or I won't, but I wouldn't even consider buying "Dragon Age Origins 2" because I'd spend the whole time rolling my eyes at what a pretty dumb move that would be from a continuity point of view.

[suirazul]

... a pretty dumb move that would be from a continuity point of view.

 

For me it would be waking up from a bad dream, like most true fans of Dragon Age Origins.

 

I understand your perspective though and you have my support in Bioware making games that cater to your lifestyle.

[AresKeith]

For me it would be waking up from a bad dream, like most true fans of Dragon Age Origins.

 

I understand your perspective though and you have my support in Bioware making games that cater to your lifestyle.

 

LOL this is rich, the "true fans" argument 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I understand your perspective though and you have my support in Bioware making games that cater to your lifestyle.

 

Ah, I see. Troll alt account. Have fun.

[suirazul]

Ah, I see. Troll alt account. Have fun.

 

Excuse me?