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[MadMadCarl]

Ok, after re-playing DAO and after that reading the comics and playing DAI again, I have to say: WTF is wrong with Leliana and Alistair, in DAO I would suspect that Zevran, Oghren or Morrigan would have  a darker outcome, but Zevran leaves the crows and its aware of the other persons,as i understood, now he only kills who deserve it, and Morrigan and Oghren are both lovely parents while Leliana and Alistair got crappy behaviours instead.

 

Leliana was a lovely, innocent and faithful woman, beside she was a bard, she really had not done anything really bad, I know that killing Marjolaine hardens her, but even if u dont hardened her, she shows a really dark personality on DAI, in fact the cause sometimes requires hard decisions, but what worries me is that she even killed an old friend and did not show any remorse for that.

 

Alistair fell even more down I think, the first time i saw him i thought "well, he is really stupid and little childish, but at least he has good heart", later i read the comics and i thought "well, thats hardened alistair king, the outcome could be pretty different if not hardened and he is not king", but regardless king or not, hardened or not, is stated that the comics events happens anyway, which means that anyway he double crossed yavana with a poor excuse (thats the kind of betrayal that you expect from a carta thug, not from him) and let meric die, even when maevaris was telling him that there was a way to save him, same that leliana, 0 regret for yavana and barely pity for his father, somehow he just needed the comics to fall from my grace and even earn some of my hate.

 

 

I'm just curious, am I the only one who thinks about them in such way?

 

[Caddius]

When it comes to Alistair, with my knowledge of the comic book, I'm a little confused at his killing Yavana. Did she actually do anything to him? 

As for Leliana, she was a Bard, as you say. Which is an absolutely ruthless profession whose job includes assassination, seduction, manipulation, thievery, and general mayhem. Much like Blackwall, when we meet Leliana in Origins she's a person desperately trying to get over what they've done in the past, their failures. Blackwall turned to the Wardens as an ideal, Leliana started to act like an innocent Chantry sister. But you get glimpses of the darker side of Leliana, particularly if you harden her. She's more callous and admits to having been bored in the Chantry.

Then Justinia gave her a cause. And while Leliana is still trying to hold herself to her new ideals, the old Bard maxims prove too useful, and she gets engrossed in the work in the years leading up to Inquisition. She's drowning in wetwork and all the tawdry work that the oils the machine of the Chantry, and then Justinia and hundreds of people die in an explosion at the holiest site in Andrastianism. While at times it goes a bit too far, I think Leliana in Inquisition is the maturation of both Leliana the Bard and Leliana the Hero of the Blight, who is having a rather violent crisis of faith.

[Lethaya]

Leliana can be dissuaded from killing Butler or that... Sister what's-her-face, I forget. XD But when you consider her role, how she's been used by the Divine since the DA:O days, and how she was used by Marjolaine, it makes sense she would struggle with necessity and morality.

 

I haven't read the comics myself, but I from what little I do know, I thought Alistair killing Maric was done out of sympathey for Maric's situation, and that he hadn't really any other options? But I might be mistaken there. Yavana always seemed abrupt to me, though. Again, haven't read them. Maybe I'd feel differently if I had? XD

[nightscrawl]

You do know it's been 11 years right? People change.

[Shechinah]

I'm surprised you thought Zevran would stay away from the Crows and become a sort of vigilante or something to that degree; he sees nothing wrong with killing so him continuing as an assassin to make a living made sense. Despite what he says after Taliesen's death, it would be odd if the Crows did not realise he was not dead since the stories mentioning him or someone of his description would travel far. Zevran likely began dealing with the Crows again because of his disagreement with their mandatory retirement plan and possibly stayed to reform them.

 

Yes, Leliana was a bard but a bard in Orlais is a minstrel who acts as an assassin, spy or saboteur so she is most certainly not innocent and she has done bad. Working with the Divine and developing the persona she did to make herself more efficent at her job was likely doing good in her opinion since it meant working for someone who had helped her recieve a second chance and who she saw as a big good in the world.    

[Patchwork]

Since the Blight ended Leliana has been doing Justina's dirty work, that's 10+ years of non stop lying, cheating and murder then the Divine and a lot of other people Leliana knows die horribly in a place considered sacred. 

 

Leliana's reactions are understandable and while killing Maric was done out of mercy Alistar pretty much Murder Knife's Yavana because he's having a bad day. 

[Caddius]

Since the Blight ended Leliana has been doing Justina's dirty work, that's 10+ years of non stop lying, cheating and murder then the Divine and a lot of other people Leliana knows die horribly in a place considered sacred. 

 

Leliana's reactions are understandable and while killing Maric was done out of mercy Alistar pretty much Murder Knife's Yavana because he's having a bad day. 

I-seriously?!

Ali-bear, why you gotta be like that? 

[Big I]

Here's what happened to my companions:

 

Morrigan became way less of a jerk and is happy in a committed relationship with the Warden, raising their son.

Leliana, after going a little darkside, got her groove back and is reforming the Chantry as Divine without killing anyone.

Sten got promoted to Arishok. Good one buddy!

Zevran is leading an attempted rebellion/reformation of the Crows, and recently worked with the Inquisition against the Venatori.

Alistair is still King of Ferelden and as funny as ever. He's had a bit of a rough patch but things are looking up with his new peace treaty with Orlais.

Wynne died, which sucks. RIP.

Loghain died in the Fade, which sucks but is at least is a better ending than he could have had.

Shale, Oghren, Sigrun, Velanna and Nathaniel are all MIA. Here's hoping they're alright.

Anders and Justice lost their minds but are still alive. Here's hoping they sort their stuff out.

Arianne and Finn are adventuring together.

Dog is presumably still with the Warden, assuming marbari live that long.

[AtreiyaN7]

Not really - especially since you can soften Leliana up again. Guess you didn't do that. Also, let's not forget that Morrigan actually seems to be a nicer person now. Don't know what happened with Alistair in the comics, but honestly, he kind of seemed like the same old King Alistair in his letters for those war table missions. *shrug*

[Cribbian]

Here's what happened to my companions:

Arianne and Finn are adventuring together.

 

Wait, is that mentioned anywhere?

[Master Warder Z_]

So he gutted a swamp witch?

So what.

[vertigomez]

Uhh... Oghren's definitely not a great parent. He's an alcoholic absentee father who dropped his kid on the floor - twice.

Leliana was never innocent. Maybe when she was, like, twelve.

And Alistair knifing Yavana made sense to me, because she reminded him way too much of Morrigan. Assuming he was involved in the DR (or knew about it second-hand), he's really tired of being manipulated by mysterious swamp witches for ~nefarious purposes~.

And if Zevran's squishy heart and quiet hatred of the Crows was not apparent to you in Origins, I dunno what to tell you.

[LOLandStuff]

The only thing keeping Maric alive was the Magrallen or whatever the name is. That was a mercy kill.

[X Equestris]

I-seriously?!
Ali-bear, why you gotta be like that? 

From what I understand, he basically applied his experiences with Morrigan and Flemeth to Yavana

[Urazz]

From what I understand, he basically applied his experiences with Morrigan and Flemeth to Yavana

Granted Morrigan does change a bit if she has a kid and is less of a swamp witch ****** but that was before Alistair could potentially meet Morrigan again in DA:I.

[Sifr]

From what I understand, he basically applied his experiences with Morrigan and Flemeth to Yavana

 

Yavana did want to wake up a ton of dragons though and needed his blood to do it? How was he to know that she wouldn't force him to give up his blood if he refused, or otherwise use an army of dragons for nefarious purposes?

 

Same with the Dark Ritual, it requires the Warden to talk him into it and convince him to do the ritual (if female or they refuse), since he'd have probably not agreed to do it if Morrigan had been the one to suggest it to him? If he's the King, he also worries she'll use the kid against Ferelden or that it might turn out evil, while that cut dialogue from Inquisiton has him be surprised when he learns that Kieran isn't at all "demony and scaly".

 

I don't think he was right to gut Yavana, at least without learning more about what her plan was, but reacting the way he did was in-character for him?

[Owlfruit Potion]

I think Alistair always had a bit of a dark side, or at least that it was visible by the end of DA:O. I was pretty surprised at the time both by his bloodthirstiness re: Loghain after the Landsmeet and by some of the things King Alistair says just before dumping a non-Cousland f!Warden (I'm thinking of the line about how he's warming up to the idea and how it will be an interesting life for him--doesn't sound that callous on the surface, but the way he says it, oof).

[Uccio]

When it comes to Alistair, with my knowledge of the comic book, I'm a little confused at his killing Yavana. Did she actually do anything to him? 

*snip*

 

Well, there is a lesson to be learned right there. Do not help people, they just might run you through.

[taylortexas]

Alistair killing Yavana always did strike me as terribly out of character, even if he's hardened. She's as shifty as the other two Witches we've met thus far, no doubt. But not shifty enough to suddenly get a sword through the guts. I could be underestimating how much Alistair hates Morrigan, and playing a HoF who romanced her and did the DR I might just have my blinders on. Of course, I also have the advantage of knowing that by DA:I she hasn't gone full evil, becomes a responsible and loving parent, and isn't using little Urthemial-in-diapers to destroy the world.

 

Also I love the dragons in this series and am incredibly intrigued by them so Yavana could have totally convinced me to go along with her plan. 

[X Equestris]

Alistair killing Yavana always did strike me as terribly out of character, even if he's hardened. She's as shifty as the other two Witches we've met thus far, no doubt. But not shifty enough to suddenly get a sword through the guts. I could be underestimating how much Alistair hates Morrigan, and playing a HoF who romanced her and did the DR I might just have my blinders on. Of course, I also have the advantage of knowing that by DA:I she hasn't gone full evil, becomes a responsible and loving parent, and isn't using little Urthemial-in-diapers to destroy the world.
 
Also I love the dragons in this series and am incredibly intrigued by them so Yavana could have totally convinced me to go along with her plan. 

Well, Alistair has no problem with taking Flemeth's deal in Origins and convincing Morrigan that Flemeth is dead. And since the understanding at that time is that Flemeth wants to wear a Morrigan suit, I think it's safe to say that he really, really doesn't like her.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I-seriously?!

Ali-bear, why you gotta be like that? 

Well, he did prevent her from waking up an Great Dragon, which is apparently even more badass than High Dragons.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Never understood why people think Leliana was a "sweet & innocent" person in DA:O, thats just her attempt at being a nicer person after her very unpleasant treatment in Orlais after getting framed as a traitor, id say her personality in Inquisition is closer to who she really is after spending so much of her life as a professional spy/assassin for Orlais/Justinia

Alistair was always a little dark too, especially when angry about something

[Aren]

Frustration,i can't blame them.

[Arlee]

It probably has a lot to do with the fact part of the point is people aren't good or bad and have shades of both within them and they change over time. That's always been a theme in the Dragon Age games.