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[Han Shot First]

 

Leliana was a lovely, innocent and faithful woman, beside she was a bard, she really had not done anything really bad, I know that killing Marjolaine hardens her, but even if u dont hardened her, she shows a really dark personality on DAI, in fact the cause sometimes requires hard decisions, but what worries me is that she even killed an old friend and did not show any remorse for that.

 

Leliana has a sweet and charming personality in DA:O, but she's far from being innocent. Bards are spies and assassins, and Leliana was in that line of work for years before she ran off to the Lothering Chantry. She would have done lots of morally questionable stuff before turning to a life of prayer and piety. In DA:O she even alludes to the fact that as a bard she occasionally played the role of the honey trap, using sex as one the tools of her trade. Assuming that played a role in assassination and not just spycraft, I think it adds an extra dimension of ruthlessness to the murder.

 

Killing a turncoat or a spying nun? Old hat.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not all bards used morally questionable tactics. 

 

For example Josephine's career as a bard consisted only of dancing, playing music, and mostly making conversation. 

https://twitter.com/...175162147528704

[vertigomez]

The truth is, everyone in Thedas is some kind of *******.

Some are just more subtle about it than others.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The truth is, everyone in Thedas is some kind of *******.

Some are just more subtle about it than others.

I disagree. There are genuinely good people in Thedas. 

[vertigomez]

I disagree. There are genuinely good people in Thedas.

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. :<

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. :<

Depends on what the censored word you used is. 

[KaiserShep]

The truth is, everyone in Thedas is some kind of *******.

Some are just more subtle about it than others.

 

Hah, just like real life.

[AresKeith]

Not all bards used morally questionable tactics. 

 

For example Josephine's career as a bard consisted only of dancing, playing music, and mostly making conversation. 

https://twitter.com/...175162147528704

 

Josie probably won't kill anyone but she'll ruin their lives

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, Josephine isn't above tricks that can ruin someone's livelihood or good reputation permanently if it serves in her or her organization's best interests.

[Dean_the_Young]

Yeah, Josephine isn't above tricks that can ruin someone's livelihood or good reputation permanently if it serves in her or her organization's best interests.

 

I think there's a saying somewhere about how being a pacifist doesn't make you a good person.

 

I think that'd be an interesting antagonist NPC some day- a pacifist who gets in our way and manipulates events to the detriment of our cause. And not a pacifist in the sense of 'I don't do the fighting personally,' but someone never orders a strike and whose followers only fight in self-defense while the Pacifist him/herself won't even do that.

[In Exile]

I think there's a saying somewhere about how being a pacifist doesn't make you a good person.

I think that'd be an interesting antagonist NPC some day- a pacifist who gets in our way and manipulates events to the detriment of our cause. And not a pacifist in the sense of 'I don't do the fighting personally,' but someone never orders a strike and whose followers only fight in self-defense while the Pacifist him/herself won't even do that.

The pacifist run in Dishonoured always made be raise an eyebrow since the "don't assassinate" option involved a typically far more brutal fate than just death (and in a ghost assassination run, one the target doesn't even see coming).

[TheJediSaint]

The pacifist run in Dishonoured always made be raise an eyebrow since the "don't assassinate" option involved a typically far more brutal fate than just death (and in a ghost assassination run, one the target doesn't even see coming).

Then there's the Light Side Sith Warrior from SWTOR, who left a trail of broken lives in their wake.

[AresKeith]

The pacifist run in Dishonoured always made be raise an eyebrow since the "don't assassinate" option involved a typically far more brutal fate than just death (and in a ghost assassination run, one the target doesn't even see coming).

 

"There are fates worse than Death"

 

 

[Master Warder Z_]

Then there's the Light Side Sith Warrior from SWTOR, who left a trail of broken lives in their wake.

A disgrace to the empire.

[In Exile]

A disgrace to the empire.

Unless you DO want to bring it down.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The fact people are arguing that killing people is better than not killing people makes me sad.

[AresKeith]

Pffft the Light Side Sith options are perfect trolls and actually benefited the Empire 

[Dean_the_Young]

The pacifist run in Dishonoured always made be raise an eyebrow since the "don't assassinate" option involved a typically far more brutal fate than just death (and in a ghost assassination run, one the target doesn't even see coming).

 

Pacifists are kind of hard to make into credible antagonists without making them distinctly hypocritical sort. If they control or direct armies and hit-teams, then they're just claiming the 'well I didn't pull the trigger' defense. If they are chessmaster conspirators who pull strings, then that too often means a conveniently timed murder.

 

It's not impossible, but it generally seems to require them taking advantage of the killing that other people were going to do regardless, mixed with a little 'non-violent death' things. (Like famine, or disease, or economic devastation, etc.)

[Master Warder Z_]

Unless you DO want to bring it down.

Why wish such a thing?

[TheJediSaint]

A disgrace to the empire.

Dead enemies can't witness my glory.

[Han Shot First]

Not all bards used morally questionable tactics. 

 

For example Josephine's career as a bard consisted only of dancing, playing music, and mostly making conversation. 

https://twitter.com/...175162147528704

 

Josephine's career as a bard was very short-lived. She basically quit after having to kill someone. She had a romanticized view of what it was like, and when confronted by the reality, she quit.

 

As such she's not really the best example of what sort of activities they get up to. I would think Leliana is probably a more typical example.

[Master Warder Z_]

Dead enemies can't witness my glory.

Are you primarily Darkside?

[Andromelek]

The fact people are arguing that killing people is better than not killing people makes me sad.

Actually the Locust and the Flood have shown that some ways of not-killing people are worse for their victims than any death, they basically torture until let you as a pity of vegetable.

[Master Warder Z_]

The fact people are arguing that killing people is better than not killing people makes me sad.

It's all about context.

[KaiserShep]

The fact people are arguing that killing people is better than not killing people makes me sad.

 

Context is key. Like, killing Arl Howe is preferable to letting him live, because he's an unrepentant jackass and murderer himself. Obviously you don't have a choice here, but let's be honest, hardly anyone would bother to spare the toolbag.