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[X Equestris]

What else is Corypheus at this point other then a old blighted magister? i am sure DG did not mean mage or darkspawn because that's pointing out the obvious which the question was not a obvious one. And if there is denial in those words then surely WOT V2 backs up the claim. So far we have more references He is then he isn't.

Oh, I agree. It's just at the time that was made, Legacy hadn't been released yet. Some claim it's the fact that they can talk. I'm sure that he is one of the seven, though. All that remains is to see if he had the body hopping powers or not.

[Ariella]

Oh, I agree. It's just at the time that was made, Legacy hadn't been released yet. Some claim it's the fact that they can talk. I'm sure that he is one of the seven, though. All that remains is to see if he had the body hopping powers or not.

 

Honestly, I'm hoping he doesn't, just for the fact that it's going to get old fast. I'd rather move on to a new villain than rehash yet another old one. But YMMV of course.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It means he's a changed magister. There's no possible reasonable alternative explanation.

 

He could mean a uniquely intelligent darkspawn.

[VelvetV]

Honestly, I'm hoping he doesn't, just for the fact that it's going to get old fast. I'd rather move on to a new villain than rehash yet another old one. But YMMV of course.

 

But... but... he isn't a villain! It was a player's own choice in Awakening to think of him as an antagonist based on mistrust.

 

So why not. He could come back, in a smaller capacity and as an ally. At any rate, I'm not even as interested in him coming back personally as in learning what became of his plan to dig up the dragons. If someone just provided me with that information without once showing him in the game, that'd be fine.

 

P.S. On a side note, I suddenly find myself wondering, why is a corrupt dragon god called an archdemon? It isn't possessed, to my knowledge, so why the demon part?

[Ariella]

But... but... he isn't a villain! It was a player's own choice in Awakening to think of him as an antagonist based on mistrust.

 

So why not. He could come back, in a smaller capacity and as an ally. At any rate, I'm not even as interested in him coming back personally as in learning what became of his plan to dig up the dragons. If someone just provided me with that information without once showing him in the game, that'd be fine.

 

P.S. On a side note, I suddenly find myself wondering, why is a corrupt dragon god called an archdemon? It isn't possessed, to my knowledge, so why the demon part?

 

 

When my Warden kills a darkspawn, it stays dead. Even the not sufficiently damned archdemon! 

[In Exile]

He could mean a uniquely intelligent darkspawn.

Except for the fact that's not what Corypheus is as we see in DAI.

[Rocknife]

Architect is definitely "same sort of creature" as Corypheus. By their nature, they're same, but I have noticed some interesting differences.

 

First of all;

 

Architect uses the Warden's lack of ancient darkspawn and Magister lore to escape;

Dialogues between Architect and Utha suggest that Utha was always Architect's escape plan. Utha is a former Grey Warden that Architect convinced to join his cause during the time he captured Maric, Duncan and Fiona. If you remember the dialogues between Architect and Utha you'll realized that Utha has always been willing to give her life to save Architect. That is why she was always near the Architect whenever the Warden was also nearby. So, Architect possessed the dead body of Utha, who is now a soulles tainted vessel. Since the Warden joined the Order of Grey short before the Battle of Ostagar, he didn't know about the Ancient Tevinter Magisters/Archons and Anciend Darkspawns. Similarly, Corypheus possesses a dead Warden in the Arbor Wilds when his body gets destroyed. And yes, Architect once captured and caged King Maric the Saviour, Warden Commander Duncan and Grand Enchanter Fiona. And all three of them could be either dead or used for experiments for the rest of their lives by Architect if Loghain hadn't arrived with an army to save them.

 

Architect was the one who started all the previous Blights;

In Awakening, it is also revealed that Architect started the Fifth Blight with a failed attempt at making Old God Urthemiel his disciple. He seems to know a great deal about the taint and darkspawn magic. In DAO: Awakening, Warden fights darkspawns and "Dragons". Architect was trying to tame/control Dragons since they're the closest beings by their nature to the Old Gods. The reason Architect wanted Grey Wardens was to have their blood, which developed immunity to the taint after the Joining. In Dragon Age Origins, when Warden asks Riordan why are there such a long periods of time between each Blight, Riordan says that he is not surprised it takes centuries for Darkspawn to find the Ancient Prisons and reach to the Old Gods, he is surprised that they actually manage to find them at all, without someone to lead them. Architect fills the hole right here. He was obviously not asleep/imprisoned like Corypheus and he was around for quite a long time when the Warden encountered him, since we know Architect captures Maric, Duncan and Fiona and that was long before the Blight. So I think Architect started all the previous Blight trying to make Old Gods his disciples, not only the Fifth Blight.

 

Why would Architect want to control Old Gods so badly?;

The same reason Corypheus wanted to go to the Black City to turn his Red Lyrium Dragon into a true Archdemon. What Architect wants and what Corypheus wants are the same things, only their methods are different. Conductor's dragon was just a High Dragon that he fed Red Lyrium after infusing himself with Red Lyrium in order to be able to control it. If Corypheus succeeded in DAI and reached to the Black City, his Red Lyrium Dragon would have turned into a true Archdemon. Why Cory wants it and why does he think that would make him God? Because whoever controls a true Archdemon, also cantrols the whole Darkspawn Horde. Darkspawns are much greater in number than any all other armies of Thedas combined and that is why the only way to stop a Blight is to slay the Archdemon. First Blight is the perfect example for that. Lasted for more than a century and completely destroyed and desolated Anderfels and ruined Tevinter. And since Corypheus and Architect has the ability to transfer their souls to the soulles tainted vessels (like darkspawn or dead wardens) or willing tainted vessels who has soul (like a willing grey warden), they could technically become immortal. So their goal is = Immortality + An Army that could conquer whole Thedas. So in short, Corypheus wanted to turn his Red Lyrium Dragon into an Archdemon while Architect wanted true Old Gods to be his Archdemon.

 

How are they different then?;

Corypheus is drawn to the Black City like a moth to a flame and Architect is drawn to the Old Gods the same way. It doesn't matter how many times they fail, how terrible consequences they have to face, they do the same thing over and over again. This is strange because if they were in the Black City together, then why are not both attracted to the Black City? Perhaps Architect didn't go to the Fade with the other Magisters? Corypheus doesn't feel the presence of Dumat - he hears no whispers, no commands (see Corypheus' Memories and DA Wiki for more information). But he is the High Priest of Dumat and we know it was Dumat who whispered to the Ancient Tevinters. There is one more possibility, Dumat may have spoken to the "First Priest of Dumat"(Usually Archons) rather than the "High Priest of Dumat"(Corypheus).

There are some interesting Information we know about "Archon Thalsian", "the first person known to wield blood magic", "who is also the First Priest of Dumat" "claims to learn the art after personally communicating with Dumat". We know that it was Dumat who told the darkest secrets of Blood Magic to Ancient Tevinters and that was how Magisters were able to go to Fade in flesh. So, I think Architect is an Ancient Tevinter Archon, not Ancient Tevinter Magister. That would explain "the same sort of creature" part. Another detail to reinforce this idea is, Architect's appearance. Corypheus wears some sort of a deformed robe while Architect wears something like "crown". See the picture in the spoiler below.

That would also explain the title "Architect". Remember the Architect and his personality. Extremely smart, knows a lot about the taint, blood magic and magic in general, deceiving. Pulls the strings of others from the shadows and changes the course of history (by starting Blights and capturing important figures like Maric, Duncan, Fiona and the Warden-Commander). Also, doesn't like risking himself personally. He tried to avoid fighting the Warden and even so he had a back-up plan in case the fight may be inevitable. We know that Ancient Tevinters "built" a ritual system with huge amounts of lyrium and lyrium is the cause of their deformations. Architect, their archon and the First Priest of Dumat ordered his Magisters to go to Fade and claim the Heavens. Archon Thalsian is called "the Architect" probably because he "built" this ritual system, this "stairway to the heavens" since we know that Dumat whispered to Archon Thalsian and taught him how to go beyond the Veil and reach to the Fade. He probably did not go to the Fade himself to not risk himself. He is a bit too smart to walk the Fade in flesh so he ordered his Magisters to go instead and gave the duty of leading others to the High Priest of Dumat, who is known as Corypheus/Conductor. Dumat probably planned that the Magisters would go to Black City and bring back the taint of the Black City so that Dumat would be freed of her prison and rise as an Archdemon. Corypheus also says that the Golden City was already blackened when they went there. So, they got tainted in the Black City and started to spread the taint when they came back. Architect probably expected them to either succeed and return safely or not return at all. When they came back, they probably started spreading the taint by Architect. Dumat probably whispered to the Archon Thalsian again and told him to free her from the prison and offered to share her power in return.

 

 

Another interesting detail; Architect's personality is just like "Flemeth's" isn't it? Flemeth was just like the Architect in that sense. She is intelligent, knows a lot about the taint and magic and she's deceiving. She changes the course of the history (saving the Warden, for example affected the fate of whole Thedas). She tried to avoid fighting the Warden and took precaution in case the fight might be inevitable (tricked Hawke into helping her revive herself with that amulet), just like the Architect. Flemeth has the soul of Mythal and Dumat is known to be the OG counterpart of Elven God Mythal. That is also another interesting coincidence. I bet Architect knows who and what Flemeth is and works for her/Mythal. It is said that Dumat, the Old God of Silence only speaks to the worthy and that would explain why Flemeth/Mythal/Dumat communicates with the Archon Thalsian/Architect but not with Corypheus. That is why when Corypheus begs Dumat for power, he doesn't get any answer other than silence, at the end of DAI.

 

 

 

Wiki page about Archon Thalsian: http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Thalsian

 

Architect and his crown.

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

For those who don't like reading long texts. In short: Architect may be the Archon Thalsian. So he is not an Ancient Tevinter Magister, but he is the Archon of Ancient Tevinter Magisters.

[devSin]

It could be derived from his original title as a Magister, but I'll wait to see definitive proof of that.

The titles are descriptive of their function in the ritual to breach the Fade.

Corypheus was the Conductor (hello, sneaky DA2 achievement title). The Architect, whoever he was, is the only other magister we know about (possibly the magister who devised the ritual).

[myahele]

Additionally, via the Wardens Corypheus probably knew the location of the other Old Gods were:

[Ariella]

Rocknife,

 

The part about Corypheus wanting to turn his dragon into a true archdemon is pretty well contradicted in game. HE wants to become a god, and Solas points out, along with Dorian I think, that in making the red lyrium dragon he's making a mock declaring he no longer see himself as subservient to them. He doesn't give a damn about the old gods until he gets himself in a crack at the end and calls out for Dumat. 

[andy6915]

Architect was the one who started all the previous Blights;

In Awakening, it is also revealed that Architect started the Fifth Blight with a failed attempt at making Old God Urthemiel his disciple. He seems to know a great deal about the taint and darkspawn magic. In DAO: Awakening, Warden fights darkspawns and "Dragons". Architect was trying to tame/control Dragons since they're the closest beings by their nature to the Old Gods. The reason Architect wanted Grey Wardens was to have their blood, which developed immunity to the taint after the Joining. In Dragon Age Origins, when Warden asks Riordan why are there such a long periods of time between each Blight, Riordan says that he is not surprised it takes centuries for Darkspawn to find the Ancient Prisons and reach to the Old Gods, he is surprised that they actually manage to find them at all, without someone to lead them. Architect fills the hole right here. He was obviously not asleep/imprisoned like Corypheus and he was around for quite a long time when the Warden encountered him, since we know Architect captures Maric, Duncan and Fiona and that was long before the Blight. So I think Architect started all the previous Blight trying to make Old Gods his disciples, not only the Fifth Blight.

 

I disagree with this one. Dialogue kinda hints that he's not as old as the first blight, he doesn't even remember that far back. I don't think he's the only other smart darkspawn in history, he doesn't need to be the one. And why would he? Dumb as he is, I think he would have changed tactics by the 3rd or 4th failure of trying the same thing over and over.

[X Equestris]

I disagree with this one. Dialogue kinda hints that he's not as old as the first blight, he doesn't even remember that far back. I don't think he's the only other smart darkspawn in history, he doesn't need to be the one. And why would he? Dumb as he is, I think he would have changed tactics by the 3rd or 4th failure of trying the same thing over and over.

I doubt he was responsible for all of the earlier Blights. His memory damage is easily accounted for, as Cory apparently had it when he awoke the first time, before he was imprisoned. So the Architect might have awoken relatively recently.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Except for the fact that's not what Corypheus is as we see in DAI.

 

Uh, he is a darkspawn. Everyone still calls him one.

[Ariella]

I doubt he was responsible for all of the earlier Blights. His memory damage is easily accounted for, as Cory apparently had it when he awoke the first time, before he was imprisoned. So the Architect might have awoken relatively recently.

 

The Calling takes place in 9:10 Dragon, and since the Blight then Awakenings happens in 9:30-31. Corypheus wakes some time between 9:32(?) and 9:36 (?) (considering the seven year span of DA2).

 

Corypheus seems to recover in at least a year and at most say six. The Architect probably woke before 9:10. He's lucid and rational during the entire episode, which tells me he's probably not floundering around for who he is.

 

I'm not saying this is right, but I am trying to give more context.

[Swaggerjking]

I really don't care either way but for **** sake give each magister/monster his or her own set of powers and let someone major we been given the choice to kill for once stay dead 

[devSin]

Corypheus seems to recover in at least a year and at most say six.

I don't think he's actually recovered.

There's banter with Cole after Haven that suggests he still doesn't quite remember what happened (he knows it happened, but his memory of it is extremely limited) and he's very much insane.

The Architect is likely no better. Just because he's less of a raving lunatic doesn't indicate that his grasp on reality is any more firm than Corypheus'.

[In Exile]

Uh, he is a darkspawn. Everyone still calls him one.

That doesn't mean he's a darkspawn in the same way as, say, the Disciples. People think brood mothers are darkspawn but that's wrong too.

[Ariella]

I don't think he's actually recovered.There's banter with Cole after Haven that suggests he still doesn't quite remember what happened (he knows it happened, but his memory of it is extremely limited) and he's very much insane.The Architect is likely no better. Just because he's less of a raving lunatic doesn't indicate that his grasp on reality is any more firm than Corypheus'.

I suppose but he just seems more... focused than Corypheus. He doesn't seem like someone who entered what he was told was Heaven and found it corrupted. That's how Patrick Weekes described Corypheus. The Architect just, well, is.

That and the Architect doesn't feel as formed to me in personality as Corypheus does.

I know they changed Cory's va... does anyone know if it's the same actor as the architect?

[X Equestris]

The Calling takes place in 9:10 Dragon, and since the Blight then Awakenings happens in 9:30-31. Corypheus wakes some time between 9:32(?) and 9:36 (?) (considering the seven year span of DA2).
 
Corypheus seems to recover in at least a year and at most say six. The Architect probably woke before 9:10. He's lucid and rational during the entire episode, which tells me he's probably not floundering around for who he is.
 
I'm not saying this is right, but I am trying to give more context.

That's not what I meant. Cory was apparently asleep somewhere during the First Blight, and then awoke and was spotted leading parts of the darkspawn remnants. He was eventually trapped by the Wardens, imprisoned for nearly a millenia, until Hawke accidentally set him free. This means that for the couple hundred years between the Magisters' return and his appearance post-Blight, he wasn't active. So perhaps the Architect was in a similar state, only it lasted longer for him.

[Heimdall]

That's not what I meant. Cory was apparently asleep somewhere during the First Blight, and then awoke and was spotted leading parts of the darkspawn remnants. He was eventually trapped by the Wardens, imprisoned for nearly a millenia, until Hawke accidentally set him free. This means that for the couple hundred years between the Magisters' return and his appearance post-Blight, he wasn't active. So perhaps the Architect was in a similar state, only it lasted longer for him.

Well, that codex entry with the dwarf's story seems to indicate that their memory was degrading while they were free in the Deep Roads.  Cole also indicates that Corypheus still can't clearly recall what happened when they breached the Fade.  I actually think Cory's thousand year nap essentially shielded him from this effect, which is why he still remembers to a degree.

 

But the trauma of whatever turned them into what they are now combined with a thousand years alone with only the Darkspawn for company essentially eroded the Architects memory and mind, which he's had to reconstruct in a broken way.  I don't think he knows what he is.

[ModernAcademic]

Corypheus wears some sort of a deformed robe while Architect wears something like "crown". 

...Except that he doesn't wear a crown.

In the Calling, he's your regular Emissary, without any fancy mask or priestlike clothes. 

 

I imagine the devs of Awakening wanted to make him look fancy enough for a main antagonist, so they upgraded his appearance.

[ModernAcademic]

I always thought he looked more like a Pope than a king.

 

Those robes and that huge, fishlike hat are reminiscent of a Babylonian priest.

 

He only needs a staff and voilà. Perfect Pope impersonation.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That doesn't mean he's a darkspawn in the same way as, say, the Disciples. People think brood mothers are darkspawn but that's wrong too.

 

He's not exactly the same type as the disciples, but I think he still counts as a darkspawn. 

[myahele]

If the recent revelations haven't convinced others that Architect isnt' an ancient Magister then I really don't know what will

[In Exile]

He's not exactly the same type as the disciples, but I think he still counts as a darkspawn. 

 

I'm not saying that it's necessarily wrong to say he's a darkspawn; I just don't think DG meant he's a darkspawn by his comment.