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[B1B1]

Are all Geth banned for round 1 in the N7 section? Restriction says only hugh Geth character (Juggernaut) is disallowed.

 

 

Sorry, another mistake (the last i think). But yes, ALL geth are banned for this N7 round.

[B1B1]

Just to precise, any modifications to the coalesced is strictly forbidden (FOV, Talon Mercenary hotkeys fix, forcing objectives,...).

[TheNightSlasher]

^ May I ask why FoV modding is not allowed, while pizza running is. The latter is way more game-breaking than the former. 

[B1B1]

Because pizza-running is possible with no modification of the game's files. And to have FOV mod, you have to change (or modifie) the coalesced. And all the concurent haven't it, and i don't want to force someone to change his(her) game to have the same version of the others.

 

I hope you understand...

[TheNightSlasher]

^ I am purely speaking from a speedrun perspective. The gain from FoV is marginal. If people don't want to use that, they don't have to. No one is being forced to mod their FoV. It's just a preference.

 

Pizza-running on the other hand can shave close to 1-2 minutes on a map like reactor. Because PC people can run much faster than console folks, in a way, you are handing a certain platform an advantage (much bigger than a wider FoV).

 

Objective modding being banned is something I am fine with. It affects speedruns heavily.

[NuclearTech76]

^ I am purely speaking from a speedrun perspective. The gain from FoV is marginal. If people don't want to use that, they don't have to. No one is being forced to mod their FoV. It's just a preference.

 

Pizza-running on the other hand can shave close to 1-2 minutes on a map like reactor. Because PC people can run much faster than console folks, in a way, you are handing a certain platform an advantage (much bigger than a wider FoV).

 

Objective modding being banned is something I am fine with. It affects speedruns heavily.

Load times may need to be looked at as well. 

[Heldarion]

Load times may need to be looked at as well.

It looks like only PC is playing in the Spectre section, so whatevs. I wasn't checking the rules for N7 section.

[B1B1]

In fact the idea behind this is :

 

- Reload cancel and pizza are like a skill, if you have it you can make the difference between you and the others players who they don't have it.

 

- I don't want to force someone to change his/her game, but if just 1 use the FOV mod, he/she has an advantage compare the others, even marginal. If your team win a round with 150 pts in more than the second, which they don't use FOV mod (for exemple of course). How can you be sure that their 150 pts aren't to be won thanks to the mod ?

[LemurFromTheId]

The benefits of high FOV are totally overrated in my opinion. While better peripheral vision is beneficial, good players with good situational awareness don't need that nearly as much as one might think as they're already familiar with enemy spawns, movement and behaviour. High FOV also makes accurate hipfiring more difficult. It really is personal preference more than anything else.

 

Rules like this don't really bring anything beneficial to the table, they just irritate and drive away players that don't get to play the game the way they like to play it (and the way they're used to playing it).

 

Of course, I'm not taking part in any of this, so what do I care... but now I'm even less interested in taking part in it.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Because pizza-running is possible with no modification of the game's files. And to have FOV mod, you have to change (or modifie) the coalesced. 

Actually, Etision, that isn't true. Flawless Widescreen allows you to change the FoV in game on the fly, with no coalesced mods, and it's as easy as having a framerate overlay with FRAPS or Cortex.

 

I'm not arguing either way, but FoV change categorically DOES NOT require changes to coalesced.

[B1B1]

The reason of this decision is to make "sure" that everyone have the same version of the game.

[LemurFromTheId]

The reason of this decision is to make "sure" that everyone have the same version of the game.

 

And all that would matter if this was some serious pro tournament with actual monetary rewards, but it's not. It's a friendly competition for a handful of ME3 enthusiasts who just want to play and have fun. Overtly strict and arbitrary rules take away from the fun.

 

Besides, in practical terms everyone on PC is playing a different version anyway: different resolution, different framerate, different screen, different keyboard, different mouse - they all affect gameplay.

[B1B1]

Do you need money to be serious ?

 

I'm agree on the fact that is not a "pro tournament" whith "no money to win". And if i have created 2 sections is for this reason, Spectre section it's for competitiv players, and N7 section it's for fun. And each section have been define before.

 

And yes, you've right when you say "in practical terms everyone on PC is playing a different version anyway", but if i can limit the difference between teams, I do it.

 

In more, for certains player, have fun is playing with guns at their boosted damages (in change coalesced), so for fun caught I should be allowed to play with this kind of coalesced ? We can't doing everything for the fun. But i hope players can make fun games without use modifie coalesced. (Remember when y play just with the game).

 

On my opinion, rules of this tournament aren't arbitrary and don't take away from the fun.

[AGCeyx]

Too bad :-(

 

This means we will have to redo our runs as I was using Flawless Widescreen while recording (Pizza running too ;-)).

[xelander]

human soldier ?

 

No, all six of them. Or I should rather say twelve, I have different builds for the males and females.

[B1B1]

No, all six of them. Or I should rather say twelve, I have different builds for the males and females.

 

Can youu choose of them plz ? ^^

[xelander]

HA and HI are the ones I like best. Don't ask to choose between them

[B1B1]

Too bad :-(

 

This means we will have to redo our runs as I was using Flawless Widescreen while recording (Pizza running too ;-)).

 

There are no PS3 or XBOX players, so no problem for pizz run and reload cancel.

[Alfonsedode]

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Too bad :-(

 

This means we will have to redo our runs as I was using Flawless Widescreen while recording (Pizza running too ;-)).

 

We can shave a few minutes anyway with better obj , and i did far better on my host, igt worse trying too

There are no PS3 or XBOX players, so no problem for pizz run and reload cancel.

 

I m not sure either if fov change is a problem, i dont really care as i always been to lazy to do it. But Etision seems to like this rule a lot, so please indulge, if it doesnt cost u more than 5 minutes

 

AGCeyx told me HS is his favorite.

 

Is it so hard to pick one kit !??! ;p Etision is not asking for the guys u wld pick with U on a desert island

[TheTechnoTurian]

On my opinion, rules of this tournament aren't arbitrary and don't take away from the fun.

 

In my opinion the no FOV adjustment rule is pretty arbitrary. Personally, I find the cramped screen perspective of the regular FOV to be somewhat headache-inducing, which is why I will often switch to 100 FOV when I'm not recording gameplay footage (i.e. the majority of the time I play, I've adjusted the FOV). I don't feel that it confers any particular gameplay advantage.  

 

Since it's more an issue of personal preference and comfort, trying to say it's not allowed is actually going to hinder some people's enjoyment of the game. I see it as being no different than using alternate keybindings, or for instance using a specialized mouse/keyboard to play the game instead of a standard one. Those options change the game more from user to user than simply expanding the FOV. 

[B1B1]

I didn't said that FOV 90° (or more) was a bad thing, i have seen (2h ago) the difference between original FOV and FOV 90°, and yes, it's totally better !

 

But i find too that it give to the players, who use it, 2 advantages :

 

- It's more comfortable to play with it. (And a player who does not use it will make more small movements to see the same thing, and in some cases, these additional movements can make the difference between "I am alive" and "I'm getting grabbed." And I'm not talking about the fact that many games in a row are potentially more tiring for players not using it, for the same reason as the one I just mentioned))

 

- You can better see the enemies and be more reactive.

 

And i know, at least, 1 team which don't use FOV 90°. And would allow FOV 90° penalizing for them, and I will not force these players to modify the files of the game.

 

So it's for these reasons that I find it's not arbitrary, for me it's logical and fair.

 

But i repeat it, I find it much better when you use it.

 

 

[B1B1]

Since it's more an issue of personal preference and comfort, trying to say it's not allowed is actually going to hinder some people's enjoyment of the game. I see it as being no different than using alternate keybindings, or for instance using a specialized mouse/keyboard to play the game instead of a standard one. Those options change the game more from user to user than simply expanding the FOV. 

 

I just search to be fair for all players.... But obviously, I can't force players to use special equipment, it is a variable with which it must deal. But concerant modified files (and again I do not say it and a bad thing), anyone can in this respect be on the same footing.

And if I accept this one, I should accept others, and in the end it will just unmanageable.

And to be clear, the FOV 90° (or more) is allowed in section N7

[Heldarion]

I didn't said that FOV 90° (or more) was a bad thing, i have seen (2h ago) the difference between original FOV and FOV 90°, and yes, it's totally better !
 
But i find too that it give to the players, who use it, 2 advantages :
 
- It's more comfortable to play with it. (And a player who does not use it will make more small movements to see the same thing, and in some cases, these additional movements can make the difference between "I am alive" and "I'm getting grabbed." And I'm not talking about the fact that many games in a row are potentially more tiring for players not using it, for the same reason as the one I just mentioned))
 
- You can better see the enemies and be more reactive.
 
And i know, at least, 1 team which don't use FOV 90°. And would allow FOV 90° penalizing for them, and I will not force these players to modify the files of the game.
 
So it's for these reasons that I find it's not arbitrary, for me it's logical and fair.
 
But i repeat it, I find it much better when you use it.

I have seen plenty of modified FOV videos and cannot for the life of me imagine playing with a non-default FOV.

This means that your perception of it being totally better is in fact not an absolute truth but merely an opinion, rendering the entire rule obsolete.

[B1B1]

I have seen plenty of modified FOV videos and cannot for the life of me imagine playing with a non-default FOV.

This means that your perception of it being totally better is in fact not an absolute truth but merely an opinion, rendering the entire rule obsolete.

 

It's my point of view, yes ! And it's your point of view too when you say that it's not really different.

 

But i don't understand :"rendering the entire rule obsolete." The rule is to be fair, to made so that all teams are at best on basis of equality. This mod make a (little) difference, but a difference, and so this isn't fair.

 

(PS : I'm sorry for my english)

[Caliisto]

Changing your keybinding can be done through the game menu though....not changing the FOV. It wasn't something bioware made possible through the game itself. You have to use an external program or change some game files, which can be considered cheating by some people. 

 

I don't think B1B1 sees it as cheating but he just wants things to be fair. The tournament is based on trust for the most part, not everything can be checked with a video, if everyone starts changing FOV, what stops them from changing something else ?

 

Again, just my opinion, I don't use a different FOV but it doesn't really bother me if you do.