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[X Equestris]

And to think that one day, some of these people might have positions in the government. That's a scary thought.

[mickey111]

The thing I don't get is why in this digital age that they're asking for governments and media to intervention. Internet is very centralized these days, whats to stop the social justice leage from creating their very own consumer watch group on facebook or whatever and they can spread as many trigger warning types as they like across art, books, movies, music, comics, games, mattresses, saucepans, tablespoons coffee mugs and every other consumer product ever made? Cast a wide enough net and they'll get a reputation as the "Amazon store of consumer watch groups" and pull in millions of followers in no time.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

And to think that one day, some of these people might have positions in the government. That's a scary thought.

 

Ralph Nader for president.

Everywhere will be green, clean and free of oil products.

[Aimi]

I don't think they're attention seekers. I just think they're conflating discomfort with trauma. Stamping out this type of push in universities doesn't happen without having an actually cogent response to the superficially appealing argument.

This is the way people that I've talked to in the department feel about it, and I'm reasonably sure that we're a reasonably representative sample of American academia.

The Chronicle of Higher Education recently touched on this issue with an article that the author titled "You Are Here To Be Disturbed". (Subscription-only, I'm afraid.) The long and short of the opinion advanced was that education is supposed to take people out of their comfort zone and question things - whether those things be their own assumptions about something, or the system by which things operate in the real world, or whatever. A significant part of that experience is being made to feel uncomfortable about the way things are now, or the way they have been in the past, or the way they might become in the future. Otherwise, the instructor is not doing her job. Higher education isn't meant to be a hugbox.

But at the same time, there's a fairly wide gulf between "being made to feel uncomfortable" and "causing a recurrence of psychological stress to a survivor of a traumatic event". I think that a lot of instructors are willing to work with medical professionals to ensure adequate education for persons who have different psychological needs. I also think that most universities have done a fairly poor job of creating the infrastructure to make that work cleanly and efficiently, just as most universities have done a poor job of developing medical, psychological, and policing infrastructure to deal with sexual assault on campuses generally. In that sense, some of the petitions are doing a quite necessary job of pointing at a significant issue that needs to be addressed.

[Sully13]

 These idiots need to be put threw a meat Grinder. why are there no conscription wars when you need one?

No hold that this lot would be Officers. what whith all thise Gender studdies PHDs.

And to think that one day, some of these people might have positions in the government. That's a scary thought.

Thay already are. look at howmany times that equel pay bills have been passed.only to find that different joba and hours worked equil different wages.

Or the LAWstudents who refuse to lern Rape laws and on that the reports that are doctored toanter the deffinition od Unwanted / Forced sex. Look at the rubish we are getting Fart rape? Yeah thats a man farting loud. Eye rape? I dunno New to me too but apparently its Looking at a woman Even a feking picture. 

[DEUGH Man]

How do these people even leave their houses? 

[Sully13]

Mummy and Daddy pay the Chaufaur to listen to them.

[General TSAR]

 

Ivan Grozny needs to work his magic on these special snowflakes.

[Iakus]

“ The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy, remember that!  All the minor minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean.  Authors, full of evil thoughts, lock up your typewriters.  They did.  Magazines became a nice blend of vanilla tapioca.  Books, so the damned snobbish critics said, were dishwater.  No wonder books stopped selling, the critics said.  But the public, knowing what it wanted, spinning happily, let the comic-books survive.  And the three-dimensional sex magazines, of course.  There you have it, Montag.  It didn’t come from the Government down.  There was no dictum, no declaration, no censorship, to start with, no!  Technology, mass exploitation, and minority pressure carried the trick, thank God.  Today, thanks to them, you can stay happy all the time, you are allowed to read comics, the good old confessions, or trade-journals.”

 

​Ray Bradbury, "Fahrenheit 451"

[General TSAR]

“ The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy, remember that!  All the minor minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean.  Authors, full of evil thoughts, lock up your typewriters.  They did.  Magazines became a nice blend of vanilla tapioca.  Books, so the damned snobbish critics said, were dishwater.  No wonder books stopped selling, the critics said.  But the public, knowing what it wanted, spinning happily, let the comic-books survive.  And the three-dimensional sex magazines, of course.  There you have it, Montag.  It didn’t come from the Government down.  There was no dictum, no declaration, no censorship, to start with, no!  Technology, mass exploitation, and minority pressure carried the trick, thank God.  Today, thanks to them, you can stay happy all the time, you are allowed to read comics, the good old confessions, or trade-journals.”

 

​Ray Bradbury, "Fahrenheit 451"

It's scary how much Ray Bradbury predicted came true from those seashells radios to mindless entertainment and now his prediction of a small group of butthurt individuals gaining way too much influence and using that for censorship.  

[Rorschachinstein]

“ The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy, remember that!  All the minor minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean.  Authors, full of evil thoughts, lock up your typewriters.  They did.  Magazines became a nice blend of vanilla tapioca.  Books, so the damned snobbish critics said, were dishwater.  No wonder books stopped selling, the critics said.  But the public, knowing what it wanted, spinning happily, let the comic-books survive.  And the three-dimensional sex magazines, of course.  There you have it, Montag.  It didn’t come from the Government down.  There was no dictum, no declaration, no censorship, to start with, no!  Technology, mass exploitation, and minority pressure carried the trick, thank God.  Today, thanks to them, you can stay happy all the time, you are allowed to read comics, the good old confessions, or trade-journals.”
 
​Ray Bradbury, "Fahrenheit 451"

Not to familiar with the book but wasn't the government the one destroying the books?

[Dermain]

Not to familiar with the book but wasn't the government the one destroying the books?

 

Yes, but the push for it didn't come from the government. If you want to be conspiratorial, it didn't appear as if it came from the government. 

[Sully13]

I'll post the movie if i can find it. 

[Sully13]

Here

And the movie

[Dean_the_Young]

I wonder if you could teach a military first aid course on campuses these days without triggering protests.

(Badum-tish. See what I did there?)

 

I mock the trigger-movement as much as the next casually insensitive person who thinks that it gets reducto ad absurdum, but some of those training materials are no joke. You don't need PTSD to feel uneasy looking at images of internal bleeding, protruding fractures, or watching a video of someone pouring out bowls of blood as gauze is stuck into an arterial wound. That ****'s sick, and not for the weak of stomach.

 

Mind you, my alternative to going through that is 'you failed the course,' since there's no substitute for basic requirements, but I wonder if medical textbooks would be the next thing to warrant triggering labels and a kidner, gentler alternative to saving people's lives without looking at blood and guts and spilling innards?

[Seraphim24]

I wonder if you could teach a military first aid course on campuses these days without triggering protests.

(Badum-tish. See what I did there?)

 

I mock the trigger-movement as much as the next casually insensitive person who thinks that it gets reducto ad absurdum, but some of those training materials are no joke. You don't need PTSD to feel uneasy looking at images of internal bleeding, protruding fractures, or watching a video of someone pouring out bowls of blood as gauze is stuck into an arterial wound. That ****'s sick, and not for the weak of stomach.

 

Mind you, my alternative to going through that is 'you failed the course,' since there's no substitute for basic requirements, but I wonder if medical textbooks would be the next thing to warrant triggering labels and a kidner, gentler alternative to saving people's lives without looking at blood and guts and spilling innards?

 

Those things don't really sound so freaky to me actually, I've actually tried to find videos of surgeries actually before but they simply can't be found.

 

I guess it's somewhat related, the idea that these things just can't be viewed or seen for some reason but while I don't necessarily like them they don't like offend me or something. Limbs are limbs, severed or fractured or stuck in strange places, doesn't mean anything to me.

 

As to wanting to watch them though for any reason it's definitely not something that would qualify there.

 

Same with Greek mythology, rape, sodomy, sadomasochism, um.. someone can get creative here in ways that I can't, but it just is what it is, the Greeks didn't create their whole civilization trying to make someone 2000 years later feel uncomfortable.

[Sully13]

One thing i love about andre the Giant was a storry about his knee surgery.

he had it video'd and as thay traveled on a toure bus he would play the video to grose out his mates.